After Hours Presidential Election Poll

Beechwoodspark

Hope Casey sets up a political party now

So many ppl want an alternative to gobsh1te varadkar or gobsh1te Mickey Martin

Come on peter do it

fxotoole

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Such anger and bitterness on show here. Folks Michael D won and rightfully so. He is only one of the six who truly understands what the presidency is and what it entails. And he’s been a wonderful president and represented us brilliantly at home and abroad.

Yes Casey said what we all think including me but can we please stop deluding ourselves that he was some revolutionary messiah that was going to sweep in and magically fix all our problems.

The presidency is a ceremonial role and Casey just wasn’t the man for the job. One outspoken statement, absolutely correct thought it may be, does not make a man a president.

Couldn’t agree more with this.

Higgins was the only choice. He has demonstrated an understanding of the role; something that none of the other candidates did. Higgins is statesmanlike, none of the other candidates were. He has a proven track record of representing the Irish at home and abroad.

Peter Casey playing to people’s fears and insecurities is not what the Presidential role is about. The President should unite, not divide. He very clearly doesn’t understand the role. Or worse, doesn’t care.

Leaving that aside, his comments about social welfare clearly shows he doesn’t understand what powers the President has.

The rest of the candidates were just fluff who utterly failed to impress

fxotoole

thecomedian wrote: »

There is very little difference between the extreme right and the extreme left.

Maybe so, but Nazis are by definition not Socialists

fxotoole

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not quite sure who SF expected to vote for them when your one came out and said she'd wear the British poppy. Stupid fúcking idiots.

I actually thought that was about leaving SF’s old image behind and trying to project an all-inclusive image for SF’s candidate

Tell me how

fxotoole wrote: »

I actually thought that was about leaving SF’s old image behind and trying to project an all-inclusive image for SF’s candidate

Yeah, me too. I think SF used this election with the GE in mind and tried to use Liadh to broadcast a party message nationally.
I don't think it worked for them, they are left battered and bloody this morning.

MintyMagnum

Conservative wrote: »

It's an interesting debate but it's all about how you position yourself. If your job is to maximise donations and you are paid an appropriate salary based on fundraising it is fine with me but when you claim to be charitable and are taking pay well in excess of what an average person earns from said charity you are taking the piss in my view.

You are charitable or you are not. She doesn't come close to qualifying in my opinion.

Joan Freeman set up Pieta House, created it because of the severe lack of mental health support in this country - yet huge rate of suicide. I believe she took on personal debt ie remortgaged her house to do that.
I would consider that more charitable than the fat cats who make 'generous donations' & are thought of as great fellas but avoid being tax resident & can write off said donations against tax. Or the foreign investment funds who avail of 'charity' status to circumvent tax laws here.
She put her money where her mouth was when it mattered. When it wasn't cool. When it involved personal risk. I'm sure she didn't get paid by the hour for all the time she put into it. And if she was that well off from Pieta House she could have solely financed her own campaign surely. Fair play is what I say.
And no I didn't give her my first preference vote.

blinding

francois wrote: »

Nazis put lefties into concentration camps, learn some history

How many Lefties did they suck into their National SOCIALIST Party .

When they got power we found out what their form of Socialism was .

blinding

fxotoole wrote: »

Go read a history book. The Nazis coopted the term “Socialist” to make themselves look appealing to left-leaning people.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Many parties do this . How do you know that some ‘ Leftist ' Parties are not doing it now ?

blinding

thecomedian wrote: »

There is very little difference between the extreme right and the extreme left.

Especially when the Left get in to power .

blinding

fxotoole wrote: »

Maybe so, but Nazis are by definition not Socialists

They drew a lot of people into their party with their National Socialism . Socialism was a big hook for them . Its worrying what some of these leftist parties can turn into .

Mookie Blaylock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not quite sure who SF expected to vote for them when your one came out and said she'd wear the British poppy. Stupid fúcking idiots.

It's all about inclusion, the days of hatred are gone, thankfully.

humberklog

At the very least Casey made one of the blandest elections I can remember a little more interesting.

Mookie Blaylock

What happens if Miggledy passss away a year or 2 into his second term, do we have another election?
A bit macarbe, but I genuinely don't know the protocol.

Harry Palmr

Yes. There is no vice president and the "first lady" does not get the gig!

edit maybe no - when Childers died in 1974 it was a stitch up between the parties who put in Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh, I doubt that they'd try that now.

Didn't realise Casey is not tax resident in Ireland, somehow that sends the wrong signal.

greendom

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hope Casey sets up a political party now

So many ppl want an alternative to gobsh1te varadkar or gobsh1te Mickey Martin

Come on peter do it

I'm all for a protest vote. But picking on the marginalised in society is not the way to do.it.

But anything to clear out the FF/FG hegemony is likely to get my vote

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

I'm all for a protest vote. But picking on the marginalised in society is not the way to do.it.

But anything to clear out the FF/FG hegemony is lokely to get my vote

I'm actually enjoying the posts since Casey did so well.
I'd say the Boards.ie doctors and psychologists are very busy this morning.

blinding

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

What happens if Miggledy passss away a year or 2 into his second term, do we have another election?
A bit macarbe, but I genuinely don't know the protocol.

The King and Queen of the Travellers can step in . Casey has been going great guns in Rathkeale . I wonder is that the non travellers voting though :eek:

dudara

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

What happens if Miggledy passss away a year or 2 into his second term, do we have another election?
A bit macarbe, but I genuinely don't know the protocol.

We will have another election. There is no automatic successor to the President of Ireland. In the interim period between the death & the election, the duties of the President are carried out by a small committee (IIRC the Ceann Comhairle, The head of the Seanad and some others).

AndrewJRenko

blinding wrote: »

They drew a lot of people into their party with their National Socialism . Socialism was a big hook for them . Its worrying what some of these leftist parties can turn into .

Eh, no, socialism was nothing to do with the Nazis. But nice try at Trump style fake news. If you keep repeating something often enough, some idiots will fall for it.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Some apologist for traveller crimes on morning Ireland at the moment.

Disgusting to hear ppl apologising for criminality and anti social behaviour.

What are you doing about the huge problem of the vast majority of criminality done by the settled community?

strettyend wrote: »

Using a jet is one thing but using it to go a 100 miles up the road when we have the m1 motorway that gets you there in an hour or so? come off it! Regarding paying irish taxes i think he clarified this matter quite clearly if you listened to the debates. The only person who is laughing is higgins and you my friend are paying for it along with thousands of other taxpayers!

Do you think that he got his jollies by getting a jet, really? Do you think that given the choice between a 2 hour approx drive by your own chauffeur in your own car, and heading to an airport, waiting, changing onto the plane, waiting, taking a short flight of 20 or 30 minutes, then waiting, then getting out, then finding your car or another car again - he would really be stamping his feet in a tantrum to take the jet?

fergus1001 wrote: »

Peter Casey said he would let a council each month donate his salary to charity

Let them eat cake.

strettyend wrote: »

Great isnt it? We have now voted for the poison dwarf to be president for the next 7 years so he can fly around in his lear jet, stay in expensive hotels, have his garden parties, couldnt be arsed to attend all the debates and would not come clean on his expensives while people sleep homeless, health service is a joke, lying on hospital trollies and we the taxpayer have paid for this parasite to spend another term in office living the life of luxury with a huge salary. is it any wonder the country is fcuked?

Beware the ire of a Shinner spurned by the electorate. Half the reason that the 'country is fcuked' is down to those people who haven't got a clue what they are actually voting for.

Beechwoodspark

Casey’s traveller comments recap

He disagrees with them being recognized as a ethnic minority.

Says they avoid tax and that house prices drop when travelers move onto an area.

Says they camp on other ppl’s land.

Says the Tipperary situation with travelers demanding stables with their new houses is ridiculous.

Quote:

He cited an ongoing dispute in Tipperary where six new homes are lying empty in a €1.7m development because families living on an unauthorised site nearby are refusing to move in until they get stables for horses.

“I mean how ridiculous have we become as a society where they are turning down beautiful, four-bedroom houses because there’ll blackmailing the county council into giving them stables for their horses.

“I’m sorry, there’s something seriously wrong with society when we’re at that stage,” Mr Casey said.

Nothing overly controversial there.

AndrewJRenko

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hope Casey sets up a political party now

So many ppl want an alternative to gobsh1te varadkar or gobsh1te Mickey Martin

Come on peter do it

Indeed, if only we have ever had alternatives, like the many parties of the left, or the PDs or Renua on the right.


I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Beechwoodspark

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Indeed, if only we have ever had alternatives, like the many parties of the left, or the PDs or Renua on the right.


I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

Sofiztikated

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Is there anywhere to find out what expenses were submitted by candidates, and how much this will cost us as tax payers?

MintyMagnum

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Joan Freeman set up Pieta House, created it because of the severe lack of mental health support in this country - yet huge rate of suicide. I believe she took on personal debt ie remortgaged her house to do that.
I would consider that more charitable than the fat cats who make 'generous donations' & are thought of as great fellas but avoid being tax resident & can write off said donations against tax. Or the foreign investment funds who avail of 'charity' status to circumvent tax laws here.
She put her money where her mouth was when it mattered. When it wasn't cool. When it involved personal risk. I'm sure she didn't get paid by the hour for all the time she put into it. And if she was that well off from Pieta House she could have solely financed her own campaign surely. Fair play is what I say.
And no I didn't give her my first preference vote.

Oh but she has "backward" views on some abortion or marriage referendum apparently. Ergo, the worst human being ever. Like, ever. Without question, Freeman has done much more for this society than the others, or indeed the liberal media. Never mind the rightwing misogynists and their hilarious "poor men" sense of victimhood that abounds in After Hours.

suicide_circus

looking forward to Michael D opening the Phoenix park to our nomadic brethren

AndrewJRenko

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

There are a few options for interpreting the vote.



It could indeed to some extent be down to the position you described above. It could also be down to many people not actually understanding the limitations on the role of the President. Or it could be down to many people falling for the 'fake news' propagated by Casey.


But to assume that it would turn into a 20% on a national basis in a general election for a new party with no structure, no policies and no candidates as of today would be a very dodgy assumption.

pumpkin4life

suicide_circus wrote: »

looking forward to Michael D opening the Phoenix park to our nomadic brethren

And distributing his wealth and his salary to the poor in our society as any good communist would do, especially being a millionaire with four pensions, at 77 years old.

Donald Trump

I'm sure Casey has enough acreage around his house in Donegal to host a few caravans


Especially when he's off out of the country for his 180-odd days to avoid paying tax here

:pac:

AndrewJRenko

pumpkin4life wrote: »

And distributing his wealth and his salary to the poor in our society as any good communist would do, especially being a millionaire with four pensions, at 77 years old.

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

pumpkin4life

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

250 grand a year is certainly tough for old Miggeldy Castro.

AndrewJRenko

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Is there anywhere to find out what expenses were submitted by candidates, and how much this will cost us as tax payers?

SIPO will publish a report on this eventually. Only Casey and MDH will get any campaign expenses paid by the taxpayer.

AndrewJRenko

pumpkin4life wrote: »

250 grand a year is certainly tough for old Miggeldy Castro.

Keep shifting those oul goalposts there.

Sofiztikated

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

20% of a low turnout. A fifth of a small number is an even smaller number.

Look, I'm not keen on the waste in expenditure from virtually every Irish government I'd had the pleasure to experience in my 35 years alive, and I'm not a huge fan of some of the travelers I have had experiences with, but an Irish President is supposed to represent the people of Ireland as a whole. A person who points at a small group of people, and says "Them, they're the root of all your problems right there!" isn't someone I'd like to see represent modern Ireland, and it looks like 80% of the (again low) turn out agreed.

AndrewJRenko

Deleted User wrote: »

Without question, Freeman has done much more for this society than the others

Questionable when you put her up against MDH's 50 years of public representation, but either way, even if you're right, that doesn't make her a good President.

pumpkin4life

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Keep shifting those oul goalposts there.

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

Sofiztikated

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SIPO will publish a report on this eventually. Only Casey and MDH will get any campaign expenses paid by the taxpayer.

Whats the threshold?

Sofiztikated

pumpkin4life wrote: »

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

And what exactly does he spend his salary on?

AndrewJRenko

pumpkin4life wrote: »

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

MDH has no role in setting the level of his salary or his pensions. He had declined to draw down his pensions (though you keep bringing this up) and he declined to draw down some of his salary.


Funnily enough, about 60% of the electorate seem to disagree with you. But what is this apparent requirement for socialists to be poor? Where did that come from? And what do you know about what Michael D does or doesn't do with his wealth?

AndrewJRenko

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Sofiztikated

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Virtually every student I know have loans, either themselves or by proxy, through their parents.

Lackey

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Pedantic post is Pedantic.

I know many people, and their kids, working all hours to pay back CU loans they took out for college.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

What’s the story with the pensions he doesn’t take? Our they now cancelled or (if he changed his mind next month), could he start collecting them? If he can start collecting them, does he only get the monthly value from then or can he collect the backdated. Can his wife collect these pensions upon his death?

So many questions

Atoms for Peace

I voted for Casey, in equal measure for fun and as a protest, and I haven't had a melt down yet!
But I'm a bit put a back about the amount of spiteful bad winners that have now emerged.

Sonics2k

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Tipsy McSwagger

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I fcuking love how he came from dead last with 1% to runner up with 21%.

suicide_circus

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

many voted for him precisely because the role has no power

Atoms for Peace

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Damm wasted my vote. I thought by voting for Casey he would lead us to a glorious Irish Reich that would last for a thousand years and that welfare recipients would get the gas chamber.:)

never_mind

PC vote isn’t a sign of changing times or rising popularism in ireland - wake up. It is a sign that people done like people from the travelling community. There is no appetite for a right wing party in ireland - it’s been tried and tested and never lasts. We are far too sound.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Questionable when you put her up against MDH's 50 years of public representation, but either way, even if you're right, that doesn't make her a good President.

MDH has certainly made the right noises. However, his €250,000 salary while preaching from his high horse about the poor makes him a classic smoked salmon socialist and betrays a very different value system to the one he preaches for the rest of us. Which instructively is precisely the same value system of his Labour colleagues - Howlin, Quinn, Burton - during the worst cutbacks when as government ministers they brazenly gave handsome increases to their friends/"advisors" while implementing savage cutbacks against everybody else.

MDH is very, very far from being a real socialist president like, say, José Mujica of Uruguay.

humberklog

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Japers, switch a few names about and this post would read like a post from a loopy right right winger on 4chan or Liveleaks.