After Hours Presidential Election Poll

Necro

AnneFrank wrote: »

That's the man, picked on Jews like Casey is picking on travellers,

Lol. Why are you so triggered by someone stating that Travellers should not have their own ethnicity? Because they shouldn't...

They had a culture at one point in time but abandoned it long long ago.

Now their culture is largely versed in criminal activity or handouts from the state.

That's not an ethnicity.

FrancieBrady

weldoninhio wrote: »

By waded into, do you mean answered a question he was asked??

And when he seen the reaction from the mob, headed to Tipp for a photo op and ran from engaging with those at the centre of the issue there. About whom there is some confusion.
Did he try to clear up that confusion by engaging as any 'reforming' politician should do? No, he stuttered and stammered out the same hate speech and ran away.

Go ahead, vote for that if you wish.

ThebitterLemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That is what you should be asking Casey.

No I’m asking you.

You mentioned that the wrongs needed to be “equalized”

I’d like to hear you thoughts on how this would tangibly operate.

TbL

Neyite

autumn2018 wrote: »

tell that to the elderly people who are terrorised by diesel engines idling outside their house at 3am

I've full sympathy with that. I live rurally as do my family and it is a big concern. I know people who's homes and vans have been robbed most likely by traveller gangs.

But Casey can't do anything about that if he's president. He's said it himself. I can admire him for speaking his mind on an unpopular opinion, and may even agree somewhat with his opinion, but if it's not relevant to the presidency (and it's not) and discounted, what are we left with? Just a poor public speaker really.

The presidency is a diplomatic role. It requires someone we can be proud of to represent our country abroad and at home. Someone who is able to speak eloquently, meet with controversial but politically necessary dignitaries and not say something put his or her foot in it. I don't think anyone on the ticket fits the job spec more than MDH.

FrancieBrady

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

No I’m asking you.

You mentioned that the wrongs needed to be “equalized”

I’d like to hear you thoughts on how this would tangibly operate.

TbL

Open a thread on it, it has nothing to do with a presidential debate. Something Casey now seems to realise as he runs away again (for the weekend anyway)

I have posted documents which outline initiatives and work that has been done and which i wholeheartedly support the continuation of. Because it is having an effect.

ThebitterLemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Open a thread on it, it has nothing to do with a presidential debate. Something Casey now seems to realise as he runs away again (for the weekend anyway)

I have posted documents which outline initiatives and work that has been done and which i wholeheartedly support the continuation of. Because it is having an effect.

Ok so despite posting that,as a citizen, you see it as your responsibility to equalize their circumstances, you’re not prepared to give examples of how this would work?

TbL

FrancieBrady

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Ok so despite posting that,as a citizen, you see it as your responsibility to equalize their circumstances, you’re not prepared to give examples of how this would work?

TbL

I did already on 2 threads. Read the thread. 3 documents and a link to another agency working hard with these people. Work I have personal experience of and have seen the results of.

Neyite

Given the way that Trump and Brexit happened by protest votes by disillusioned voters trying to make a point the people who are switching their vote from Higgins to Casey can still do the protest by putting Casey as their number 2 on the ballot paper with Higgins as the number 1



That sends the same signal and lessens the risk that we will actually have to have him as president.

JMNolan

Neyite wrote: »

That sends the same signal and lessens the risk that we will actually have to have him as president.

Presumably there is no risk even if Casey was elected. It's a position with no power, isn't it?

pjohnson

Neyite wrote: »

Given the way that Trump and Brexit happened by protest votes by disillusioned voters trying to make a point the people who are switching their vote from Higgins to Casey can still do the protest by putting Casey as their number 2 on the ballot paper with Higgins as the number 1



That sends the same signal and lessens the risk that we will actually have to have him as president.

Yeah and the success of Brexit and Trump shows how these "protests" are so succesful. Neither became laughing stocks at all.

TallGlass

Seems to have pulled out.

Disappointing. A man sticking up for the tax paying middle class if you ask me. Even if he can't do anything, he has highlighted the anger amoungst us at the sheer waste of our tax money on ludacris items. The traveller issue to me is not an issue with travellers themselves but the sheer waste of money. Travellers or anyone for that matter refusing housing should be told to sling there hook and back to the end of the line.

AudreyHepburn

Hopefully now common sense will prevail and Michael D will stay where he belongs.

Protest votes are dangerous things - we need only look to the UK and USA to see just how dangerous.

ARNOLD J RIMMER

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hopefully now common sense will prevail and Michael D will stay where he belongs.

Protest votes are dangerous things - we need only look to the UK and USA to see just how dangerous.

So you are saying that people should vote on the status quo of political correctness so not to offend others.

That doesn't sound like democracy.

TallGlass

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hopefully now common sense will prevail and Michael D will stay where he belongs.

Protest votes are dangerous things - we need only look to the UK and USA to see just how dangerous.

What's the difference than been fed lies because they are popular (removal of USC charge) or give away budgets clearly looking for votes.

I'd take someone speaking the truth anyday.

There's a group of people in Ireland be them travelers or settled that are getting away with far to much and been giving far to much slack, yet the people paying for it get neither. Politicians fairy dancing around real issues giving out sound bite lies to be politically correct rather than saying it like it is. But this is nanny state Ireland and we are not mature enoght to hear it.

Neyite

JMNolan wrote: »

Presumably there is no risk even if Casey was elected. It's a position with no power, isn't it?

No political power yes, but visibility on the worlds radar, someone who is a bit of a loose cannon or not very eloquent at speaking might create diplomatic embarrassment.

Berserker

pjohnson wrote: »

Yeah and the success of Brexit and Trump shows how these "protests" are so succesful. Neither became laughing stocks at all.

Has Trump been unsuccessful? Think things are better for the average US citizen since he took power. They've more money in their pay packet at the end of the week, for definite. Unemployment is at a 49 year low. His Gallup approval rating is up to 44%. That's the same as Obama, interestingly and higher than Clinton and Reagan. He's just signed new trade deals with Canada and Mexico. Think Casey may get enough votes now, if he continues, to get some money back but MD will still win at a canter.

AudreyHepburn

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

So you are saying that people should vote on the status quo of political correctness so not to offend others.

That doesn't sound like democracy.

No I meant people shouldn’t base their votes on wanting to give the finger to the establishment or the person who happens to share a particular view point with them.

In Germany in the 1930s a lot of people voted for a little Austrian guy with a funny mustache because he shared their views on Jews and how they were treated after WWI amongst other things. Didn’t work put so well for them.

FrancieBrady

TallGlass wrote: »

Seems to have pulled out.

Disappointing. A man sticking up for the tax paying middle class if you ask me. Even if he can't do anything, he has highlighted the anger amoungst us at the sheer waste of our tax money on ludacris items. The traveller issue to me is not an issue with travellers themselves but the sheer waste of money. Travellers or anyone for that matter refusing housing should be told to sling there hook and back to the end of the line.

Well, he has proven that he suffers from the same thing as those protesting that we 'have suffered this plague long enough' - he is too lazy to do anything constructive about it.
A whole '90%' of da people were in frightened oppression by this plague, apparently and finally found de saviour - a spokesman, and what does he do? Takes a fecking break. Oh the travesty. :eek:

TallGlass

Neyite wrote: »

No political power yes, but visibility on the worlds radar, someone who is a bit of a loose cannon or not very eloquent at speaking might create diplomatic embarrassment.

That's happened already with FG, was it Leo who said something in the States and thought us Irish don't watch telly at home? Saying one thing in one place and another thing in another place. The world media picked that one up and it's not the first time either.

TallGlass

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, he has proven that he suffers from the same thing as those protesting that we 'have suffered this plague long enough' - he is too lazy to do anything constructive about it.
A whole '90%' of da people were in frightened oppression by this plague, apparently and finally found de saviour - a spokesman, and what does he do? Takes a fecking break. Oh the travesty. :eek:

Well I imagine seening this a few of the political parties might take a page out of the same book. So I would expect to see more of this come down the line.

Berserker

Neyite wrote: »

No political power yes, but visibility on the worlds radar, someone who is a bit of a loose cannon or not very eloquent at speaking might create diplomatic embarrassment.

Bit of a stretch? It's the president of Ireland we are talking about. How many media outlets around the world are covering this election?

Neyite

Berserker wrote: »

Bit of a stretch? It's the president of Ireland we are talking about. How many media outlets around the world are covering this election?

I'm not talking about election coverage. I'm talking about the 7 years of the actual job which entails meeting people from the very bottom and very top of a wide range of countries and cultures, discussing current affairs and being able to converse about potentially controversial subjects without causing offence as either a host or guest.

super_furry

He was an idiot to drag this sort of stuff into the Presidential race.

If he really cared so much and wanted to effect genuine change when it comes to property rights, trespassing and whatever else he seems to be on about, he'd stand as a TD.

Although I suspect that wouldn't offer enough ego massaging for him as he thinks being President would.

ARNOLD J RIMMER

super_furry wrote: »

He was an idiot to drag this sort of stuff into the Presidential race.

If he really cared so much and wanted to effect genuine change when it comes to property rights, trespassing and whatever else he seems to be on about, he'd stand as a TD.

Although I suspect that wouldn't offer enough ego massaging for him as he thinks being President would.

The only thing he was an idiot for was suspending his campaign.

This fake uproar is embarrassing in Ireland.

If you don't believe a candidate shares your point of view. Don't vote for them.

Thats democracy.

Laois_Man

If he pulls out, it confirms my suspicions. Casey never actually wanted to win - and now he's afraid he might! His statement regarding the reason for considering pulling out is ludicrous!

FrancieBrady

TallGlass wrote: »

Well I imagine seening this a few of the political parties might take a page out of the same book. So I would expect to see more of this come down the line.

Well it belongs in the political arena. Does the fact that it hasn't figured up to now tell you anything? Anything at all?

super_furry

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

The only thing he was an idiot for was suspending his campaign.

This fake uproar is embarrassing in Ireland.

If you don't believe a candidate shares your point of view. Don't vote for them.

Thats democracy.

If someone who's putting themselves forward for public office comes out with mad outlandish statements that have nothing whatsoever to do with the role they're attempting to take up, then people can point that out.

A candidate can have any point of view they want. The Irish public can, as well as not voting for them, express their bafflement over behaviour that is wildly out of step with the job and the Presidential election process.

That's democracy.

Berserker

Neyite wrote: »

I'm not talking about election coverage. I'm talking about the 7 years of the actual job which entails meeting people from the very bottom and very top of a wide range of countries and cultures, discussing current affairs and being able to converse about potentially controversial subjects without causing offence as either a host or guest.

The man has been in business for decades. I've little doubt that he is capable of doing the above. He's made a mistake or he's decided to be brutally honest on this matter. MD has made a few gaffs during his tenure.

Laois_Man wrote: »

If he pulls out, it confirms my suspicions. Casey never actually wanted to win - and now he's afraid he might! His statement regarding the reason for considering pulling out is ludicrous!

He is not going to win anyway. He has 1% in the last poll I read, in comparison to MD who has 70%, iirc.

ARNOLD J RIMMER

super_furry wrote: »

If someone who's putting themselves forward for public office comes out with mad outlandish statements that have nothing whatsoever to do with the role they're attempting to take up, then people can point that out.

A candidate can have any point of view they want. The Irish public can, as well as not voting for them, express their bafflement over behaviour that is wildly out of step with the job and the Presidential election process.

That's democracy.

Why was his statement outlandish?

Are you saying only a tiny amount of people would agree with his statement?

super_furry

ARNOLD J RIMMER wrote: »

Why was his statement outlandish?

Are you saying only a tiny amount of people would agree with his statement?

Because he's a man who's putting himself forward for the presidency of Ireland. Or was. A role in which he can effect no social change and will have no say into policy matters, funding or law making.

He's ranting into the wind and it has absolutely nothing to do with the job he's going for.

Dr Brown

It looks like the Presidential election will now become a referendum on Travellers.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I wonder did somebody get to Casey.

I presume this guy has a family.

Somedaythefire

Laois_Man wrote: »

If he pulls out, it confirms my suspicions. Casey never actually wanted to win - and now he's afraid he might! His statement regarding the reason for considering pulling out is ludicrous!

jesus the AH echo chamber must be deafening if you thought he had any chance of winning.

super_furry

There's After Hours and the comments section of the Journal and they're both wrapped up in this weird little bubble of some alternative Ireland that doesn't exist outside of their computer screens.

Annasopra

weldoninhio wrote: »

Could you explain this part?? Do you think he deliberately made the Irish Independent ask him the question he answered honestly???

Yes

He said he asked his advisors before making the statements.

Annasopra

Neyite wrote: »

Given the way that Trump and Brexit happened by protest votes by disillusioned voters trying to make a point the people who are switching their vote from Higgins to Casey can still do the protest by putting Casey as their number 2 on the ballot paper with Higgins as the number 1



That sends the same signal and lessens the risk that we will actually have to have him as president.

Not really because Number 2s will never be tallied and Higgins stands for the opposite of everything Casey stands for.

super_furry

Correlation does not equal causation and all that but the way this poll from a few days ago on AH's relationship status lines up with the current presidential poll proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that After Hours needs to get the jump. And maybe cuddle afterwards.

q85dw7osi4lebg

super_furry wrote: »

Correlation does not equal causation and all that but the way this poll from a few days ago on AH's relationship status lines up with the current presidential poll proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that After Hours needs to get the jump. And maybe cuddle afterwards.

Roger Hassenforder

What muppet is voting for Sean Gallagher?

HandsomeBob

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

What muppet is voting for Sean Gallagher?

Can't really call anyone a mupoet here given the amount of people who voted Casey. Hope this is Ireland's Brexit/Trump moment anyway as you can't get any more lower stakes than the presidential election.

Grayson

super_furry wrote: »

Correlation does not equal causation and all that but the way this poll from a few days ago on AH's relationship status lines up with the current presidential poll proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that After Hours needs to get the jump. And maybe cuddle afterwards.

I'm wondering where all those people come from. people are always complaining about how left wing boards is yet here we have all these people saying they're voting for casey.

Vincent Vega

How dense would you honestly need to be to want this guy representing our country as president?




Oh right but he said he dislikes the same things as the ordinary joe, and he promises not to touch the money, real man of the people, so maybe it's worth a shot.

lalababa

Let's vote for Casey as a protest vote...come on ..stick it to the PC media & politic crowd!
He really said bugger all, defo didn't say anything racist. Infact was saying travellers were the same race as everyone else if you get me ..like there are no races dude. As Morgan Freeman said ' If we stop talking about blacks and whites it will go away'

q85dw7osi4lebg

When will we see some non boardsie opinion polls? This weekend in the papers is it?

Regardless, I have a feeling they will be manipulated.

Berserker

Sariah Tall Babe wrote: »

When will we see some non boardsie opinion polls? This weekend in the papers is it?

Regardless, I have a feeling they will be manipulated.

Last one I read was on Wednesday. MD still had a ridiculous lead.

FrancieBrady

Sariah Tall Babe wrote: »

When will we see some non boardsie opinion polls? This weekend in the papers is it?

Regardless, I have a feeling they will be manipulated.

Sunday I think. But if PP is anything to go by at 66/1 he is behind Freeman, Gallagher and Ni Riada, in that order.

AudreyHepburn

Sariah Tall Babe wrote: »

When will we see some non boardsie opinion polls? This weekend in the papers is it?

Regardless, I have a feeling they will be manipulated.

I think the general consensus is that Michael D has it in the bag.

Pappacharlie

I'm giving Casey No 1 and Michael D No 2.

I see the IRA Sinn Fein candidate wants NI people to be permitted to vote in ROI presidential election.

Yeah right, that will happen.

McMurphy

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

What muppet is voting for Sean Gallagher?

Passed his bus on the M7 early this morning, South bound around the Curragh.

That bus wouldn't have been cheap, and I'll be fierce surprised if Sean comes close to getting that moolah back tbh.