After Hours Presidential Election Poll

Fann Linn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-45928722

PSNI set the record straight and deny Higgins story that they were involved in giving security advice to use the jet to Belfast.

Someone's telling porkies. Let the fun begin.

FrancieBrady

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-45928722

PSNI set the record straight and deny Higgins story that they were involved in giving security advice to use the jet to Belfast.

No, the PSNI didn't make any comment on what Higgins said.

The accusation that he was lying is coming from a 'source' within the PSNI.

Strange one to be honest

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why wouldn't people who identify as Irish be given a vote here? Did you not agree with the GFA? Do you agree with partition?

Nothing to do with GFA- everything to do with contributing to this economy. I'm anti-vote for people not resident in Republic of Ireland. Why should I be subject to the opinions of people not living in and contributing to this country?
If you want to vote, come back and live here. Simple.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Nothing to do with GFA- everything to do with contributing to this economy. I'm anti-vote for people not resident in Republic of Ireland. Why should I be subject to the opinions of people not living in and contributing to this country?
If you want to vote, come back and live here. Simple.

So you would have to be employed and paying taxes to have a vote? Why not go all out like they did in the north and only allow property owners to vote?

I think we could allow people to vote in Presidential elections without any great impact or import.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you would have to be employed and paying taxes to have a vote? Why not go all out like they did in the north and only allow property owners to vote?

I think we could allow people to vote in Presidential elections without any great impact or import.

I'm not going into the specifics this evening in terms of terms of conditions. What i don't like is people living outside of the state permanently having a say on Irish affairs.
BTW unemployed people living in Ireland can contribute much more to Irish Society than those employed- so no, I wasn't nor did i ever suggest that, so less of the 2+2=6 please.

Gannicus

Always remember

Gannicus

Gannicus wrote: »

Always remember

Yeah, saw that earlier- love that comparison- great photo blend.:P

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

Was that the one about planning objection from 1968 or something?

If so, I remember thinking "well that is easily proved or disproved"....how come no media folk followed up on that the next day? Heard nothing about it since.

Has it been proven to be wrong (or a lie?). Maybe PC was given wrong information by an advisor and was simply repeating what he was told? I'm sure he doesn't do all his own research.

They did. And Galway Co Co know nothing about it.

It was a lie. Casey says it isn't and has yet to clarify.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not going into the specifics this evening in terms of terms of conditions. What i don't like is people living outside of the state permanently having a say on Irish affairs.
BTW unemployed people living in Ireland can contribute much more to Irish Society than those employed- so no, I wasn't nor did i ever suggest that, so less of the 2+2=6 please.

Well maybe don't phrase your 'condition' as 'contributing to the economy'. Okie doke?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well maybe don't phrase your 'condition' as 'contributing to the economy'. Okie doke?

you're the one who interpreted what i said - hokey dokie franckie baby?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

you're the one who interpreted what i said - hokey dokie franckie baby?

There are thousands who navigate the country following their county and club teams, they contribute to our 'economy' if they asked for a vote, why wouldn't you let them?

See how quickly your 'condition' comes unstuck.

Wheeliebin30

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There are thousands who navigate the country following their county and club teams, they contribute to our 'economy' if they asked for a vote, why wouldn't you let them?

See how quickly your 'condition' comes unstuck.

I’ve seen some clutching at straws through the years but....

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There are thousands who navigate the country following their county and club teams, they contribute to our 'economy' if they asked for a vote, why wouldn't you let them?

See how quickly your 'condition' comes unstuck.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I’ve seen some clutching at straws through the years but....

Thanks. I thought I was going mad.:p

FrancieBrady

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I’ve seen some clutching at straws through the years but....

They 'contribute to the economy' though. What is clutching about that?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They 'contribute to the economy' though. What is clutching about that?

STOP MISQUOTING MY POSTS FOR YOUR OWN END

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

STOP MISQUOTING MY POSTS FOR YOUR OWN END

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Deleted User wrote: »

Nothing to do with GFA- everything to do with contributing to this economy. I'm anti-vote for people not resident in Republic of Ireland. Why should I be subject to the opinions of people not living in and contributing to this country?
If you want to vote, come back and live here. Simple.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

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Ive reported your post. It's in the hands of the AH mods now. thanks.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Ive reported your post. It's in the hands of the AH mods now. thanks.

Fair enough. I have no idea why you won't stand over what you very clearly said.

pumpkin4life

Varik

The amount of hate that NPC meme gets.

scotchy

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election-2018/casey-i-wont-quit-aras-race-37441787.html




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terminator2018

pumpkin4life wrote: »

ch."wrong"

Atoms for Peace

It seems the worm has finally started to turn, the media this morning seem to have finally made some timid attempts at airing MDH's skeleton closet.
Of course this has only come about after the massive swift in support for PC after his infamous comments.

4068ac1elhodqr

854 votes here so far, and still 55% support for Casey, interesting.

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

854 votes here so far, and still 55% support for Casey, interesting.

Meanwhile over in the professional opinion polls he's in last place at 2pct.

I think we all know which poll will be closer to the mark.

eeepaulo

Phoebas wrote: »

Meanwhile over in the professional opinion polls he's in last place at 2pct.

I think we all know which poll will be closer to the mark.

For some reason the media keep running that headline as news, but if you look at the small print its data up until the 16th.

FrancieBrady

eeepaulo wrote: »

For some reason the media keep running that headline as news, but if you look at the small print its data up until the 16th.

It's the latest poll. There is no 'small print' Any accompanying article gives the dates on which it was conducted and says very clearly that it was before Casey's generalised remarks.

Always the conspiracy :rolleyes:

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ive reported your post. It's in the hands of the AH mods now. thanks.

Nobody likes a tout

Phoebas

eeepaulo wrote: »

For some reason the media keep running that headline as news, but if you look at the small print its data up until the 16th.

The reason the media are running it as news is because a week out from the vote, the result of a national opinion poll is news.

4068ac1elhodqr

FrancieBrady wrote: »

dates on which it was conducted and says very clearly that it was before Casey's generalised remarks.

But would these slightly poplist/popular (but yet contraversial) remarks have aided him, or hindered that's perhaps the big question.

FrancieBrady

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

But would these slightly poplist/popular (but yet contraversial) remarks have aided him, or hindered that's perhaps the big question.

Yes his % will grow. No doubt about that. Is the anger among the demographic that will actually vote is anybody's guess.

4068ac1elhodqr

Not an exact indicator of course, but somewhat 'useful' along with various polls, is the bookie markets.
Of course no one of any sense is going to bet on the wee man for just a 3% ROI/PTE, but some might consider Casey a 'value option'.

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

But would these slightly poplist/popular (but yet contraversial) remarks have aided him, or hindered that's perhaps the big question.

He's a no-hoper and he knows it, so he's playing a desperate 'trump' card on a gamble to get his expenses.

Some people are always willing to fall for this stuff. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it contributes to a presidential debate, and I'd be pretty certain that the voting public will see it the same way on Friday.

eeepaulo

Phoebas wrote: »

The reason the media are running it as news is because a week out from the vote, the result of a national opinion poll is news.

My apologies, i thought you didnt know that the data is out of date, i was just trying to highlight that. I guess its news if you live under a rock

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Not an exact indicator of course, but somewhat 'useful' along with various polls, is the bookie markets.
Of course no one of any sense is going to bet on the wee man for just a 3% ROI/PTE, but some might consider Casey a 'value option'.

I think if you were looking for a 'value' bet from that list Mairead McGuinness is the one to go for.

4068ac1elhodqr

Phoebas wrote: »

He's a no-hoper and he knows it, so he's playing a desperate 'trump' card on a gamble to get his expenses.

Some people are always willing to fall for this stuff. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it contributes to a presidential debate, and I'd be pretty certain that the voting public will see it the same way on Friday.

Trump was also a no-hoper, well that is until he actually became POTUS.

Most of the voters actually were swayed by his offerings e.g. counteracting Chinese imports, mass unemployment along the dust belt, business owers complaing about red tape, crime-gangs running the mex-border etc etc.

This event is of course very different, as it doesn't actually have any real actionable power, mereley symbolic and lots of hand-shaking. If anything has reduced risk and perhaps could be seen as a protest vote if he does well.

Odhinn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes his % will grow. No doubt about that. Is the anger among the demographic that will actually vote is anybody's guess.

The latest opinion poll on the presidential election shows Mr Casey has doubled his support to 2pc.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election-2018/peter-casey-to-stay-in-aras-race-as-he-slams-welfaredependent-state-37441787.html


The link between reality and after hours is strained, it seems.

dav3

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Not an exact indicator of course, but somewhat 'useful' along with various polls, is the bookie markets.
Of course no one of any sense is going to bet on the wee man for just a 3% ROI/PTE, but some might consider Casey a 'value option'.

Mairead McGuinness?

4068ac1elhodqr

Phoebas wrote: »

I think if you were looking for a 'value' bet from that list Mairead McGuinness is the one to go for.

Value also implies 'some chance' as well as generous odds. So nope on that.

4068ac1elhodqr

dav3 wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness?

Or could look for gold in them there mountains.

She is only listed with one bookie, the rest won't even accept or consider her as a candidate.

dav3

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Or could look for gold in them there mountains.

She is only listed with one bookie, the rest won't even accept or consider her as a candidate.

They're not the only ones that don't consider her as a candidate.

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Value also implies 'some chance' as well as generous odds. So nope on that.

I'd put Mairead McGuiness' chances at about on par with Casey's.

AllForIt

I know the polls were conducted before all this controversy but even if it was done today I think if anything some might be reluctant to say they were going to vote for Casey given that one would be called racist. If you look at the poll on this thread which is anonymous Casey is in the lead. Not saying he's going to win as Higgins has a big overall lead but I think it's more likely Casey will get more votes than the polls suggest. I also think one of the reasons Higgins is so far ahead is that in reality most ppl are quite ambivalent about the presidential election and as a result may be disinclined to change the status quo...but unexpectedly this presidential campaign has become controversial right at the wrong time for Higgins so I don't think the result is as certain as it might have been.

tayto lover

Phoebas wrote: »

He's a no-hoper and he knows it, so he's playing a desperate 'trump' card on a gamble to get his expenses.

Some people are always willing to fall for this stuff. For the life of me, I can't figure out what it contributes to a presidential debate, and I'd be pretty certain that the voting public will see it the same way on Friday.

I'd usually agree with that BUT the attempts by Leo, the media, party hacks etc to put him down have annoyed sufficient numbers enough to have them vote for him. The Traveller issue alone needed debating as the Govt seems to have surrendered to them.

4068ac1elhodqr

Phoebas wrote: »

I'd put Mairead McGuiness' chances at about on par with Casey's.

Cool, maybe dont' start a bookie shop.

The only shop that will take bets on her imply she has 15% chance (500/1) compared to Casey (67-81/1) as of today.

tayto lover

Phoebas wrote: »

I'd put Mairead McGuiness' chances at about on par with Casey's.

Casey could surprise many and finish 2nd or 3rd.

dav3

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Cool, maybe dont' start a bookie shop.

The only shop that will take bets on her imply she has 15% chance (500/1) compared to Casey (67-81/1) as of today.

15% chance of what?

4068ac1elhodqr

dav3 wrote: »

15% chance of what?

She has only 15% chance of winning (or getting more votes) - when compared directly to Casey.
And Casey is still considered very much as an outside chance. Most markets won't even consider her as an actual candidate.

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

Cool, maybe dont' start a bookie shop.

Good advice.
I'd extend it to anyone thinking about putting money on Casey being the next President of Ireland - don't go into a bookie shop.

Phoebas

Kamden Fit Worker wrote: »

She has only 15% chance of winning (or getting more votes) - when compared directly to Casey.