Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

kanuseeme

My Outlander was a 3gh so no heat, it was all I could afford after I ran out of money burning 50 euro notes in front of homeless people.

It always bothered me, a electric heater would not have cost Mitsubishi that much to put in it, there are heaters but they are laborious https://www.calix.se/en/products/cab-heaters

For what petrol you would use, hardly worth it.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118134350#Comment_118134350

You mustn't be getting much battery range anyway carrying around that chip on your shoulder.

Nothing really to do with droping more money in my case, I took my time to research all the specs and decided to give priority to spec rather than year or mileage. So to use my previous Outlander as an example, instead of getting a newer low mileage Kotu, I brought in a 142 GX4hs with 120K miles for less money.

Back on the topic of heating, one of these heaters should keep the windscreen clear for short runs without needing to run the ventilation.

https://www.micksgarage.com/d/heated-accessories/products/2357459/car-heater-and-defroster-12v-160w-with-thermostat

CoBo55

God there's some bitchy types on this thread, nice to boards getting back to its aul self🤡🤡

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118128465#Comment_118128465

I was at a mondello a few weeks ago and was amazed at the amount of Outlander PHEV's towing racing cars on trailers and full race boxes with a full compliment of tyres, spares & auxiliaries driving on full battery. Obviously their switching to save or charge on the motorway. Interestingly enough though, the petrol heads (who know what's what) are using plug in hybrids to tow their stallions!

^regarding the above bitching, I think it was a misunderstanding and we can all get sharing important & valuable high and low info again from both Buffman and Dohvolle which is 100% appreciated.

LillySV

Ok lads, considering a 2015-17 outlander phev and just wondering how owners are finding them??? I see there’s 40 pages already … can anyone give me a summary of owners findings!? 😂. Good bad? Reliable or not ? Good to drive ?

kanuseeme

Generally reliable, last couple of pages a few people had some problems, I was very happy with mine and I think I can say the same for others.

They are really expensive now compared to before brexit , cheapest 2016 on donedeal is 22.5k https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mitsubishi-outlander-2-0-gx4hs-phev-200bhp/29938367

If I was spending that much, I would be tempted by this car https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2020-201-hyundai-ioniq-plugin-hybrid-5dr-auto/25694828 201 hyundai ioniq phev with only 4500 miles. I know nothing about them only the EV guys love them. (edit. They love the EV version, they mostly hate any phev)

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324522#Comment_118324522

That Ioniq is an absolute bargain at that price! Will have just over 3 years of Hyundai warranty left on it as well.

Grumpypants

I love it. I have had a 2015 4hs for the last 3.5years. It is a high spec one with a few optional extras too. Tow bar (just used for bike rack but can tow trailers), front parking sensors (badly needed as the front is high when dropping kids off to school and one runs in front you know) and DVD headrests (great to keep kids quiet on trips) & roof rack.

Loads of room (kids bikes and buggies fit in the boot no bother) and really cheap to run. It worked out cheaper for me to get a loan and buy that than stay in my diesel A4 when you take the tax (€180) and cost of electricity over petrol into account.

Super reliable, never an ounce of trouble. Flies through the NCT in 10 mins too.

I just agreed to trade it in today for a MG ZS EV that will be arriving in Feb. I'll miss it alright but have been looking to go full EV for a while. Only reason I'm changing it to be honest.

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327436#Comment_118327436

How did you do in the trade in if you don't mind me asking, I'm looking at the MG as well the one with the longer range. I've a 161 gh4 and the prices are going through the roof. I've been looking at moving to a full ev myself for the last year and this might be the right time to bite the bullet.

L'prof

Just after finding this thread, I’ll have a proper look through it later on. Just wondering what kind of mileage people are getting on EV? We just purchased a 171 4H and we’re finding that on an overnight charge the display will read a range of 20-27km. This seems poor to me from extensive googling 😂 Are people getting more from a full charge or were my expectations too high?

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329522#Comment_118329522

It all depends on your driving style as the indicator is a guesstimate also remember that winter is not great for batteries, personally I have a 161 and am regularly getting 40km range on the battery, that being said I use regen as much as I can.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329376#Comment_118329376

I got 15k for the trade in. If I tried to sell privately I may have gotten a bit more as it has loads of extras that the normal 4HS doesn't come with. But I do need the car right up until I collect the other one so it would be messy trying to sell and buy on the day.

Happy enough with 15. I paid 16.5K three and a half years ago. there is a bit of a used car bubble right now so taking advantage of that to make the jump to full EV.

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329649#Comment_118329649

Very good. And it actually says that figure on the display? What do you mean by regen? Is that charge or save mode?

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329808#Comment_118329808

Regenerative braking the silver paddels on the steering wheel. If you turn it on it will send some charge back to the battery when slowing the car down. It depends on the drive, I've also found turning it off and letting the car coast will give you loads of free distance. The car just keeps going and going :)

The Range shown by the car is trying to guess based on your previous driving. So if you pull directly onto a motorway and floor it, that will drop the predicted range on the next journey. If you are pottering around at 60km/h it will go up on the next time. It is also winter so that knocks about 10km off it.

I think you can reset the guessometer and it will start fresh on the next few drives. Otherwise just drive as normal and it will stabilise over a few weeks. Once summer comes you will get another boost.

L'prof

Yeah, I guess our general driving is rarely under 60 so we’re not going to get as much return from the battery as others

Ah ok. I just thought the regen braking worked automatically and that you’d use the paddles if you wet going downhill or something. So when you’re driving are you always in regen mode or do you just switch over when you know you’re going to use them. Are there 5 different settings for regen? One would have been enough for me 🤯😂

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329947#Comment_118329947

Same here I like to stick it on 0 and coast when on a slight decline and get free miles I've used Regen while coming down mountains and seen my range jump up as high as 60km when I got to the bottom.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329983#Comment_118329983

If it's 2017 it could already have lost 20% of the range. A lot depends on who had it before and how often they charged it. The only way to really know battery level is to get a DB2 dongle and use an app called PHEV Watchdog.

Regen is on by default. If the car is in D it is in B2. You can go up to B5 if you want to stronger or down to B0 to turn it off. If I am around here I know the areas that I can glide on so I'll flick it off. Then when I need to slow for a turn I'll flick it to B5. As Lapua mentions, if you are coming down a mountain use it and you will get back a good bit.

L'prof

Thanks for the tips. I’ll give it a go

CoBo55

Is petrol consumption very high?

I'm pleasantly surprised by how light the Superb is on petrol on long spins, it has never dropped below 4.3/100 on any journey. I got an amazing 1.8/100 on a 50km spin with help from a hefty tailwind 💨 on the return journey it still managed 3.8/100.

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330476#Comment_118330476

I have to get the calculator out for that as I use mpg. That’s almost 66mpg. The best I’ve gotten out of my own Outlander between fills is about 35mpg and I’ve been charging it almost every evening. It’s a small sample size though as we’ve only had it a month

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330683#Comment_118330683

First thing you do is pull back on the right flap twice when you start driving, even with regen your always loosing energy, the best way to drive it is with one foot, get up to speed and free wheel, take advantage of any down hill, let it glide along, when stopping use the left flap to increase regen to suit, ideally you want to increase regen closer to the stop, takes some practice. To avoid flapping, pull back on the gearstick for instant B3 and again to B5, unfortunately to go back to B0 its 5 flaps on the right paddle.

I think 35 mpg is low, worst I got on long motor way trips was 40 mpg, but maybe I put some work into it, I would constantly press on and off the charge button, off when road was flat or down hill to avoid using petrol.

Even with shorter trips I know that would not be completed on battery alone, I would press charge to avoid wasting battery going up a hill, far better to save it for the flats where your will get the most kms from it.

As you said its a month, step by step it will improve also its winter time so there is some loss because of the cold.

The same principle can be used for any phev, if the battery range is 50 km, that 50 km could easily be achieved by not wasting battery going up hills, only exception would be if the battery is full and its a shortish trip, you would want to leave some room in the battery for the regen.

What do your commutes consist of?

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330823#Comment_118330823

I haven’t even started using the paddles yet so I’ll see how I get on with them. I had mainly been scratching my head trying to decide between using charge and save to be honest. The wife will definitely be a harder sell on trying to drive more economically 😰

Edit: Sorry I didn’t see your question about commutes. If I take the car it’s 7.5km to work. That takes 20mins or so in the morning and 12 in the evening maybe. 10 minutes of that will be driving slowly in traffic, the rest is up on 100km/hr. If the wife has the car she’s mainly tipping into the village

My main bugbear is I can get in and out of work no bother but if I have to do anything else I won’t have much battery left. Do you guys plug in as soon as you’re home or do you wait until the evenings when it’s cheaper?

kanuseeme

Charge, for now, let her do her own thing and see, I found my own wife would drive slower than me anyway, which would give pretty good results.

The regen will only save about 75% of the energy. Your at a loss of 25% and when the engine kicks in for shorter trips it would not be as efficient until its warmed up.

Ubbquittious

Is this yoke much good off road? Do they get stuck easily?

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330884#Comment_118330884

Do you turn on the heaters in the morning? That will drop it a good bit. Simply being in winter can drop it 8-10km and turning on the heaters could double that.

Plug in and charge all the time. Electricity is way cheaper than the petrol you use when you run out of battery. Even if you add 5-10km range in a short charge it all helps. Even on the most expensive electricity rate, you will be way better off charging.

Never charge with the button in the car. The only time it might make sense is if you are waiting in the cold for someone and had the engine running anyway. But otherwise I never use it.

If you want to maximise it. No heaters, use gliding and regen to stop. And anytime you go above 80km/hr tip onto Save mode. (But if you are able to do your round trip all on battery just tip away and let the car decide).

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330683#Comment_118330683

The last fill I did I had done 1556km to 47.68 litres of petrol and 231 units of electricity, 87 of those units were free Lidl units but in the interests of accuracy I costed them at my home unit rate of 18c per unit. In summary, petrol cost 81 euro and electricity cost 41.58

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331141#Comment_118331141

My last fill was 488km to 39.68l, no clue on the leccy though

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324522#Comment_118324522

all the cars have increased to mad money now unfortunately .. although the prices being asked make no sense as u said … there’s premium cars going for not much more than standard enough cars … in particular the suv and estate markets seem to be gone bonkers

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331601#Comment_118331601

That wouldn't be great. Any diesel would be better than that.

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332681#Comment_118332681

That’s what I said to the wife who was determined to buy this car 🤣 I’m determined to improve on that though. B0 & B5 are my best friends now

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332931#Comment_118332931

I have to say my driving changed once I got the PHEV a lot less aggressive off the line, I don't accelerate as hard and use the regen for braking I don't get bothered on the road now

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332931#Comment_118332931

I found using B mode in the Superb a bit tiresome on a long journey as you always have your foot on the pedal rocking between acceleration and overrun, D is much nicer I just let it glide down the hills.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332952#Comment_118332952

Very true for me too except for the regen.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329701#Comment_118329701

Win Win for Grumpy pants!! It's not often you hear stories like that when it comes to cars! Your 4HS sounds like a premium model with all the bells and whistles. I'd advise not looking up how much it's being sold for when you get your MG!!

I got 30km out of the outlander today (and arrived home with a little more battery life). I've gotten used to using the paddles instead of the brakes to slow down now and another tip is to make sure you're in neutral at traffic lights instead of in Drive with the brakes on.

@LillySV I'd read the full thread here and see if the car is suitable for you. The PHEV outlander is not a motorway munching car.

L'prof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331097#Comment_118331097

Just realised that I can’t use cruise control and B0 at the same time. If you were tipping along on the motorway would you use cruise control or B0 along with save? 🤔

The look on the wife’s face when I relaying all the above tips to her was comical 🤣

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334209#Comment_118334209

Im reading here about lads using flaps or something to increase mileage … I don’t know what that is and whether I want to have to resort to that! 😂😂.👍

Alkers

I have one of these on loan while my ampera is in the garage. I can't seem to find any settings for charging, how can I set the vehicle to only charge when my night rate kicks in? Thanks

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118463736#Comment_118463736

Depending on spec it may not have that feature. What year is it and do you know what spec it is?

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465002#Comment_118465002

Its a 2017 registration, no idea as to spec or trim level. It has heated seats which have almost aftermarket looking switches on the centre console and a heated steering wheel but otherwise a lot of blank switches on the dash. Has sensors all-around, decent looking alloys, sunroof etc. I'll plug it in manually tonight and see if I can't find out any more detail tomorrow

Grumpypants

Do you have the touch screen or just a radio?. If you have the touch screen there is a setting to set the timer.

To be honest I found it annoying. I'd drop the kids to school plug in and it wouldn't charge.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465185#Comment_118465185

It has a touchscreen, I did have a look earlier but didn't see it, do you recall the menu or what the setting is called?

tweek84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465231#Comment_118465231

Scroll to the right on the touch screen and you will see a option for timed charging, i hope that helps if not there is a few youtube videos that show you how to set it up also.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465231#Comment_118465231

Unfortunately my detailed knowledge of them ceases with the 2016 old school handbrake model with the Mitsubishi touchscreen so I can't say for sure on the 2017.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465185#Comment_118465185

If you have that button on your key, lock the doors and push it twice and it should start charging along with a few indicator flashes.👍️

tweek84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465308#Comment_118465308

Oh that is a handy bit on info in relation to the key.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465231#Comment_118465231

Is this it? 2017 is a newer one than mine (2015) so I have a button for settings under the screen that opens the list of options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TlD7-amsCc

CoBo55

The superb system is better you've two buttons beside the car socket to select instant charging or use the onboard timer.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118469517#Comment_118469517

On our ampera if you want to to charge instantly you just unplug it and plug it back in again, works great

olearydc

Hi Folks . may of missed it but what is the normal service costs from a main dealer on these cars if anyone knows.

iniall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679458#Comment_118679458

Serviced mine last August at Mitsubishi dealer and it was about €350.

olearydc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118679516#Comment_118679516

Cheers iniall for that, my father got his serviced and wanted to make sure it was around that price range. Much apricated