Madeleine McCann

limnam

splinter65 wrote: »

You refuse to accept the conclusion of the German police regarding Christian B. On what grounds ?

You refuse to accept the conclusion of the Portuguese police on what grounds?

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Babooshka wrote: »

I can't answer your question and I doubt you can. You are always all over anyone who disagrees with your theories and I won't be engaging with you after this because I find you particularly aggressive on these particular threads, I had an unfortunate experience of your vitriol years back and don't want to go there again. I'd honestly get help, or take up a hobby.

Come on now go easy on him. The theory that they have fantasised about for thirteen years now could quite possibly not be true. There’s a lot of hurt and anger about. Don’t take it personally.

Babooshka

cgcsb wrote: »

Yes, all good points, he might have done it, but there's no proof (that we know of). The most compelling thing going for him is what he said drunk in a bar in 2017 coupled with his whereabouts at the time and past crimes.

Freud could have also done it, in fact being closer to the family is even more suspicious. They say that these people often know their victims a long time before they strike.

(That we know of) - that is the point, we don't get all of the information from the police, ever, it would stop them making any arrests if all information was in the public forum. I am pretty sure that the police and trained detectives are much more capable of discerning who is more likely to have done this than a group of gap fillers trying to complete a jigsaw they only have three quarters of the pieces of.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

Yes he's serving time for it currently. Edit: in Praia da Luz...not the ocean club.

By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.

SusieBlue

The parents did it

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yeah we all know it was irresponsible to leave the kids alone, I don’t see why this needs to be repeated every few posts as if it’s some brands new fresh conclusion that hasn’t been mentioned constantly in every single conversation on every single platform about this case since the very minute it happened.

I’m sure Kate & Gerry know they made a horrific error of judgment and they’ll pay for that mistake for the rest of their living days, it is possible to discuss the case without saying ‘but they shouldn’t have left the kids alone’ every two seconds. We know they shouldn’t have left them alone.

As long as people continue to claim otherwise perhaps?

Was I not quoting other users?

limnam

retro:electro wrote: »

Come on now go easy on him. The theory that they have fantasised about for thirteen years now could quite possibly not be true. There’s a lot of hurt and anger about. Don’t take it personally.

Nonsense. Very happy for whomever is responsible to be caught and rot in hell.

If it's the German it's the German. He's not a personal friend.

When the next "major breakthrough" is forgotten about we'll be back here again and no one will take any pleasure in it.

What's important is the truth and the people responsible is caught. Some people only care that it's _not_ the McCanns i don't care who it is as long as their caught.

That's the difference here.

limnam

TheW1zard wrote: »

By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.

How many pedophiles were in the area at the time?

IIRC too bloody many and she was socialising with one of them.

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.

It's not my logic, it's the logic of 3 police forces in different countries!

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

It's not my logic, it's the logic of 3 police forces in different countries!

I was highlighting you said the same resort, stick to the facts of the case.

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

I was highlighting you said the same resort, stick to the facts of the case.

"The same resort" is as reported, verbatim in the newspapers, Praia da Luz is known as a resort. That ok with you Sherlock?

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Nonsense. Very happy for whomever is responsible to be caught and rot in hell.

If it's the German it's the German. He's not a personal friend.

When the next "major breakthrough" is forgotten about we'll be back here again and no one will take any pleasure in it.

What's important is the truth and the people responsible is caught. Some people only care that it's _not_ the McCanns i don't care who it is as long as their caught.

That's the difference here.

Well that would be convincing had you not spent the majority of this thread and I’m sure many others only interested in suggesting the McCanns are involved, only thanking the posts that suggest their involvement and constantly provoking and inferring with underhanded remarks that so many of us are familiar with and quite tired of at this stage. So while the walking back is almost impressive it’s also quite transparent.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

The same resort is as reported in the newspapers, Praia da Luz is known as a resort. That ok with you Sherlock?

The Ocean Club is a resort, Praia da Luz is a town. I thought what you said was misleading. Is that okay with you Sherlock?

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

The Ocean Club is a resort, Praia da Luz is a town. I thought what you said was misleading. Is that okay with you Sherlock?

Praia da Luz is a resort. It's the way that people hop on people's backs over semantics that don't do you gap fillers any favours. So because he raped a lady in the resort of Praia da Luz means he's now less conspicuous, right. Or does that matter... semantics, it's used by reporters by the way, the resort of Praia da Luz, does it really matter, you get yourself all caught up with words.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

How many kids did the man she was drinking brandy with rape?

Do you have an ulterior motive for being so concerned about accusations made against a convicted pedophile? What, I wonder, is the source of such sympathy?

Funny how veiled implied accusations work.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

Praia da Luz is a resort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praia_da_Luz

It has resorts, stick to the facts lol.

limnam

retro:electro wrote: »

Well that would be convincing had you not spent the majority of this thread and I’m sure many others only interested in suggesting the McCanns are involved, only thanking the posts that suggest their involvement and constantly provoking and inferring with underhanded remarks that so many of us are familiar with and quite tired of at this stage. So while the walking back is almost impressive it’s also quite transparent.

Interesting. My actions and words lead you to assume I'm not honest.

Would be interested to see if you applied the same thought process to other suspects in the case.

limnam

cnocbui wrote: »

Do you have an ulterior motive for being so concerned about accusations made against a convicted pedophile? What, I wonder, is the source of such sympathy?

Funny how veiled implied accusations work.

Not concerned at all. I'd love to know more about the German and how he relates to this case.

All I have now is he made some drunk comment in a pub

It hardly stacks up against the lies and actions of the other suspects.

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praia_da_Luz

It has resorts, stick to the facts lol.

Lol. A little girl disappeared and was probably subjected to a horrific end, Lol. The mental age of some of you, totally incapable of any civility to other people. I am done with you and your husband Limnam now, that's two of you off my Christmas card list now for being bold.

cgcsb

Something Else

Babooshka wrote: »

I am pretty sure that the police and trained detectives are much more capable of discerning who is more likely to have done this than a group of gap fillers trying to complete a jigsaw they only have three quarters of the pieces of.

Hmmm, not sure.

cgcsb

Something Else

Babooshka wrote: »

It's not my logic, it's the logic of 3 police forces in different countries!

Well actually Scotland Yard is still assuming she's alive, so they're obviously not singing off the same hymm sheet as the germans and indeed are behaving fancifully.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

Lol. A little girl disappeared and was probably subjected to a horrific end, Lol. The mental age of some of you, totally incapable of any civility to other people. I am done with you and your husband Limnam now, that's two of you off my Christmas card list now for being bold.

Bring the ball back

GreeBo

Toots wrote: »

Based on the lack of evidence or facts supporting any of the theories. There's probably as much evidence that the poor child was abducted by aliens as there is supporting all the other theories.

I don't know whether or not the parents had a part to play in her disappearance, but it can't be denied that their negligence contributed to it, whether directly or indirectly. They left their young children unattended in an apartment while they went to a restaurant. If someone did kidnap her, that certainly made it a hell of a lot easier for them.

Yeah, it was probably equally aliens alright.:rolleyes:

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cgcsb wrote: »

Like I said there is no conclusive proof they killed her, but there's suspicion. Of the information that's in the public domain so far, there's more on the McCanns than our German. The German only has a City of residence at the time of events.

You are totally discounting all the evidence the Germans have collated on Christian B then?
Why?
So you are now admitting that there is no evidence that the McCanns harmed their child. That’s good.
You do know that suspicion is meaningless and a matter of personal preference and as such is totally irrelevant?
For example I can observe my neighbor having many late night callers and be suspicious that they’re a drug dealer but it would be completely meaningless and some people would say I was a weird crank if I suggested otherwise.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

The Ocean Club is a resort, Praia da Luz is a town. I thought what you said was misleading. Is that okay with you Sherlock?

The Ocean Club is an accommodation complex....omg why am I even trying to deal with this nonsense...

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

splinter65 wrote: »

The Ocean Club is an accommodation complex....omg why am I even trying to deal with this nonsense...

Its actually a hotel

Babooshka

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splinter65 wrote: »

The Ocean Club is an accommodation complex....omg why am I even trying to deal with this nonsense...

Just to add https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-appeal-a4459376.html#gsc.tab=0

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

Its actually a hotel

A hotel in a resort, yup

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

A hotel in a resort, yup

Yeah the Ocean Club is a resort, not Praia de Luz.

Babooshka

TheW1zard wrote: »

Yeah the Ocean Club is a resort, not Praia de Luz.

You just admitted it's a hotel. Now you're changing it. Did you read the headline of the newspaper I posted? Hard to admit when you're wrong isn't it. Just stop now.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Babooshka wrote: »

You just admitted it's an hotel. Now you're changing it. Did you read the headline of the newspaper I posted? Hard to admit when you're wrong isn't it. Just stop now.

I didnt read your link. Listen the parents did it!

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Not concerned at all. I'd love to know more about the German and how he relates to this case.

All I have now is he made some drunk comment in a pub

It hardly stacks up against the lies and actions of the other suspects.

Once again it is nothing but your opinion (which is not worth any more then anyone else’s opinion) that the McCanns told any lies. You seem to be unable and unwilling to accept the amount of evidence against this man collated by the German police. That’s a bit puzzling/strange/weird to me, but it’s your desicion.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

I didnt read your link. Listen the parents did it!

Of course they did..of course. It looks as if a long lie down in a darkened room with soothing music is the order of the day now.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Its actually a hotel

Ever heard of a ski resort? It's a term used for the whole location, not just a single hotel in it.

feargale

foxyladyxx wrote: »

Maddie McCann is dead .She died on holiday with her parents. . possibly accidently but it was covered up . .I can provide proof of that.

Listen to the recent tapes of Jon Benet Ramsey's brother. .He is well dodgy, I need to read more but I do think authorities there believe it was the son who killed her.

You know f** kall about it. But don't let that stop you playing irresponsible games at the expense of the McCann family in their dire misfortune.

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

Someone prove the parents didn't do it then :rolleyes:

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Someone prove the parents didn't do it then :rolleyes:

No that’s not how that works. If I accuse you of stealing my purse, do you have to prove you didn’t steal it, or do I have to prove that you did? Think carefully now.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

TheW1zard wrote: »

Someone prove the parents didn't do it then :rolleyes:

I think you did it. And until I have proof that you didn’t I will continue to hold this view.

Babooshka

retro:electro wrote: »

I think you did it. And until I have proof that you didn’t I will continue to hold this view.

W1zard also kidnapped Shergar

TheW1zard

Accident happened, parents hid body

retro:electro wrote: »

I think you did it. And until I have proof that you didn’t I will continue to hold this view.

Sounds about right

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

...Creepy.

limnam

splinter65 wrote: »

Once again it is nothing but your opinion (which is not worth any more then anyone else’s opinion) that the McCanns told any lies. You seem to be unable and unwilling to accept the amount of evidence against this man collated by the German police. That’s a bit puzzling/strange/weird to me, but it’s your desicion.

I haven't seen any evidence about the German.

What evidence is there he kidnapped Madeline ?

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

This thread is shockingly immature......

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Babooshka wrote: »

W1zard also kidnapped Shergar

Yes he did. I read all the circumstances surrounding that kidnap on the Internet and I certainly FEEL that all the evidence points to W1zard being guilty. Must be true. The people who say it was the IRA are wrong.

limnam

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes he did. I read all the circumstances surrounding that kidnap on the Internet and I certainly FEEL that all the evidence points to W1zard being guilty. Must be true. The people who say it was the IRA are wrong.

Any evidence on this German guy?

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Any evidence on this German guy?

He was a known burglar and violent sex attacker with a penchant for elderly women and little girls who was living in the Praia Da Luz area at the time of her disappearance.
He also told his mate he knows exactly what happened to Madeleine (after showing him a video of himself raping an old woman), who then reported it to the police.
Would those facts alone not arouse some suspicion to you?
It’s without doubt the most promising lead we’ve had in the 13 years Madeleine has been missing.

limnam

SusieBlue wrote: »

He was a known burglar and violent sex attacker with a penchant for elderly women and little girls who was living in the Praia Da Luz area at the time of her disappearance.
He also told his mate he knows exactly what happened to Madeleine (after showing him a video of himself raping an old woman), who then reported it to the police.
Would those facts alone not arouse some suspicion to you?
It’s without doubt the most promising lead we’ve had in the 13 years Madeleine has been missing.

Oh, Sorry. I was looking for the evidence that splinter65 was referring to.

The evidence he kidnapped Maddie.

Ash.J.Williams

cgcsb wrote: »

Maybe kate and gerry will split up and one of them will give an honest account of what happened that night. They probably didn't do the deed, but let's face it they drugged the kids and left them alone with the door unlocked and did not check on them all night.

If they aren't involved, They should have come clean to the police straight away about exactly what went on and perhaps that information could have lead to her being found quickly, but too late for that now. If it were me and something so serious happened I'd have fessed up straight away, even if it made me look ****e, reputation and saving face isn't as important as finding your child, and look everyone knows now they were lying anyway.

i just picked this post randomly as a typical social media problem post that seems to have escalated since lockdown, what makes people post like this?

limnam

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i just picked this post randomly as a typical social media problem post that seems to have escalated since lockdown, what makes people post like this?

What's wrong with the post?

It's not like he killed a cat...

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Lots of stomping of feet from those defending the McCanns. The opinions on their guilt are just as valid as your opinions that they're not guilty.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Oh, Sorry. I was looking for the evidence that splinter65 was referring to.

The evidence he kidnapped Maddie.

Yes this is the evidence the German police are putting forward in their plan to charge this man with the abduction and murder of M McCann. You seem either unwilling or incapable of reading about it yourself. Why is that?