Madeleine McCann

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

Sorry when were you made a moderator, why are you telling me what I’m free to post and discuss?

What do you think of some of the dog evidence?

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Checking google. Doesn't seem to be any news on letter delivery

So was it actually sent or not ?

If it was and went to the British police. What are they doing with it

I wonder have the McCanns been shown it, surely they'd want to have a look.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

What do you think of some of the dog evidence?

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot

You know what I think of the dogs.
The dogs weren’t licensed, they had form for giving false positives and weren’t infallible, and as confirmed by their handler, they can only be used to corroborate physical evidence. Of which there is none.
In my opinion they are irrelevant and a very weak argument to use in favour of the McCanns being culpable for Madeleines disappearance.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

I wonder have the McCanns been shown it, surely they'd want to have a look.

Last I heard they hadn't received anything

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

You know what I think of the dogs.
The dogs weren’t licensed, they had form for giving false positives and weren’t infallible, and as confirmed by their handler, they can only be used to corroborate physical evidence. Of which there is none.
In my opinion they are irrelevant and a very weak argument to use in favour of the McCanns being culpable for Madeleines disappearance.

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Last I heard they hadn't received anything

Maybe things are happening behind the scenes. If not you'd worry.

Rock77

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You asked was I saying.... followed by a junkload of gobbeldygook, I'm not prepared to get involved in such cryptic arguments. That OK with you? Stick to the facts as we know them.

But look we are just shooting the breeze here most of the time, with due respect to the missing child. It can get heated at times, but that's the polarisation of this case for ya!

To be fair Spanish eyes, you started off your post by saying ‘regarding all the other couples that left their kids that night’ I was the one that brought that up and I asked if another poster thought they were fortunate..

You then had your say so I presumed you wanted to join the conversation, I then asked you things like ‘are you saying’ and do you think’

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

The very reason I don't get why people are so eager to rule them out.

Police departments were paying the guts of a grand a day to use dog+trainer.

How was public money released to pay for them if they're not trained up to standards?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Maybe things are happening behind the scenes. If not you'd worry.

UK police sat on him for 13 years not doing a washer.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

How can they show that exactly? Jaysus.

All that was recovered was her DNA and DNA components. Which isn’t that shocking considering she was living there with her family and we shed DNA every second of the day.

How exactly could they show an intruder killed Madeleine?

Like how do you even begin to argue with posts like this?

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

But could they not show that an intruder killed Madeleine inside the appartment?

No, because no evidence was found to support that theory either. I don’t believe that she could have died in the apartment with no physical evidence left behind.

limnam

I wonder what evidence would be left behind of say suffocation.
Considering how contaminated the room was with every tom dick and harry running around

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

The very reason I don't get why people are so eager to rule them out.

Police departments were paying the guts of a grand a day to use dog+trainer.

How was public money released to pay for them if they're not trained up to standards?

I don't get it. It could have been this peado for example, he could have killed Madeleine in the apartment and then dragged her away. It's grim but could be key evidence in putting a case together.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

I don't get it. It could have been this peado for example, he could have killed Madeleine in the apartment and then dragged her away. It's grim but could be key evidence in putting a case together.

But like public service in many countries can't buy a bit of software unless the company is on x list.

But public money can be spent on a dog trained incorrectly.

What's going on over there.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

No, because no evidence was found to support that theory either. I don’t believe that she could have died in the apartment with no physical evidence left behind.

It's unlikely but possible. The cadaver dog positively alerted in numerous places, we don't know the timelines because the checks stated by the party are doubtful. There was a window there where it could have occurred. Deserved more investigation for sure.

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

It's unlikely but possible. The cadaver dog positively alerted in numerous places, we don't know the timelines because the checks stated by the party are doubtful. There was a window there where it could have occurred. Deserved more investigation for sure.

Would there be much evidence left of suffocation ?

Considering all the lies on the times they checked and how often

The window could be very wide.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Would there be much evidence left of suffocation ?

Considering all the lies on the times they checked and how often

The window could be very wide.

No, that's a good point. It could have been planned that way. Maybe death wasn't the plan but just to knock her out without making too much noise or any screaming.

limnam

Ok, so we have a way she could have been killed in the apartment which would leave little to no evidence.

Smashing.

Do we know how long the body needs to be dead before the dogs can alert ?

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Ok, so we have a way she could have been killed in the apartment which would leave little to no evidence.

Smashing.

Do we know how long the body needs to be dead before the dogs can alert ?

Found a study done in 2008.

A more recent study, performed in 2008 and using three cadaver dogs, found that they had good accuracy (the lowest being 92%) and reliability in detecting early post-mortem scents. This is despite the scent being on pieces of carpet that were not directly touching the bodies (a sheet was between carpet and corpse), the bodies being dead for less than 3 hours, the carpet being exposed to the corpses for 2 or 10 minute intervals, and the scent detection being performed 35 (for the 2 minute samples) or 65 days later (for the 10 minute samples)3.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Their reliability and accuracy can only be determined from the samples they obtain. With these dogs, in this case (and many others) there was nothing a sufficient to back up the alert. How many time do you think this needs to be repeated before it finally hits home?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Found a study done in 2008.

A more recent study, performed in 2008 and using three cadaver dogs, found that they had good accuracy (the lowest being 92%) and reliability in detecting early post-mortem scents. This is despite the scent being on pieces of carpet that were not directly touching the bodies (a sheet was between carpet and corpse), the bodies being dead for less than 3 hours, the carpet being exposed to the corpses for 2 or 10 minute intervals, and the scent detection being performed 35 (for the 2 minute samples) or 65 days later (for the 10 minute samples)3.

interesting.

That's pretty high for something scoffed at so easily.

Considering the last time she was seen alive was I think 5:30pm ?

So about a window of 4 and half hours before alarm raised.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

happyoutscan wrote: »

You really get off on these comments, don't you?

I said it on the other thread, I find it deeply disturbing the thrill you seem to be getting from your hate for the McCanns.

You are f*cking odd. Seriously odd.

Have you watched 'What We Do in the Shadows?'

I'm reminded of Colin Robinson, the energy vampire.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

interesting.

That's pretty high for something scoffed at so easily.

Considering the last time she was seen alive was I think 5:30pm ?

So about a window of 4 and half hours before alarm raised.

Studies say it does depend on the dogs. You can get some that aren't so good but the ones hired in this case were top of the range. Their success rate very high. There was a window there for sure. Think it was a bit after 5:30 but obviously we don't know for sure how often the checks actually happened.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Studies say it does depend on the dogs. You can get some that aren't so good but the ones hired in this case were top of the range. Their success rate very high.There was a window there for sure. Think it was a bit after 5:30 but obviously we don't know for sure how often the checks actually happened.

Link please?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Studies say it does depend on the dogs. You can get some that aren't so good but the ones hired in this case were top of the range. Their success rate very high. There was a window there for sure. Think it was a bit after 5:30 but obviously we don't know for sure how often the checks actually happened.

I'd hope so. UK forces hired the lads at nearly a grand a day to work on cases.

limnam

So why did UK public services be allowed to spend a grand a day on dogs not trained to their own standards?

That's "odd"

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

I'd hope so. UK forces hired the lads at nearly a grand a day to work on cases.

Yeah, they were expensive but like everything, sometimes you have to pay for quality.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Yeah, they were expensive but like everything, sometimes you have to pay for quality.

Quality? Sure they found nothing.

Ah this is gas.

Can the posters who think the dogs were so high quality top notch off the charts on point on fleek tell us why Kate and Gerry are not in jail right now if they seem to think they found something the rest of us haven’t been informed of yet?

limnam

callmehal wrote: »

Yeah, they were expensive but like everything, sometimes you have to pay for quality.

You would wonder though.

Something so expensive, must require sign off at high levels.

Were they not aware of how they were trained? or were they more interested in their record ?

so based on those percentages.

Whats the chances of two dogs that have lets say 90% success on a given test. both getting something wrong in the same place?

That must be fairly high right ?

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

Quality? Sure they found nothing.

Ah this is gas.

Can the posters who think the dogs were so high quality top notch off the charts on point on fleek tell us why Kate and Gerry are not in jail right now if they seem to think they found something the rest of us haven’t been informed of yet?

You might like this: https://justice4mccannfam.forumotion.com/t1945-poacher-s-view-on-grime-and-the-dogs

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I'd hope so. UK forces hired the lads at nearly a grand a day to work on cases.

Yes, and then they regretted it, wasting £20 million chasing the dogs blatantly false alerts:

Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a '£20million shambles'

limnam

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, and then they regretted it, wasting £20 million chasing the dogs blatantly false alerts:

Bungled Jersey child abuse probe branded a '£20million shambles'

no, fcking way.

It's COCONUTS!

that's nuts.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Did you know that putrescine and cadaverine are both present in human saliva?

Woof!

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

What do you think of some of the dog evidence?

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot

So, were the McCanns playing hide n' seek with the body? :rolleyes:

Banana Republic.

cnocbui wrote: »

What makes you think the DNA sample still exists?

The have more than enough samples of Madeleine's DNA, they didn't need cuddle cat. Kate did need to get the sunscreen off it before it ruined more clothes, apparently
I'd imagine.

A body that's been decomposing for weeks or months is going to leave behind more then three or four cells when you try and move it.

The dogs and the partial and contaminated DNA are red herrings.

Did need to get the suncream off haha you actually serious? Could find their daughters “abductor “ with her DNA, I’m sure they have the DNA in evidence as many cases need this many many years later.

v638sg7k1a92bx

limnam wrote: »

But a drunking slurr in a pub is hitting the jackpot.

lulz

If you’re referring to the German suspect who was outside the apartment on the night of the disappearance, who is also a convicted sec offender in possession of child pornography? Yes I think this would definitely be a person of interest.

Spanish Eyes

It is so "normal" to think that it took 13 years to come up with this potential suspect. Honestly.

Letters referred to everywhere, but not delivered. Why not courier the letter to the Leicester Police and have them deliver it to Rothley where McCanns live (or lived). Well I suppose Leicester is in lock down now so no chances will be taken now I suppose.

So the saga goes on.

I'd get a delivery from Amazon.De quicker than that letter. lol.

Banana Republic.

retro:electro wrote: »

Quality? Sure they found nothing.

Ah this is gas.

Can the posters who think the dogs were so high quality top notch off the charts on point on fleek tell us why Kate and Gerry are not in jail right now if they seem to think they found something the rest of us haven’t been informed of yet?

Don’t rule the dogs out yet as I mentioned earlier about the Zapata case. Many things can happen years later through DNA enhancements in technology.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

If you’re referring to the German suspect who was outside the apartment on the night of the disappearance, who is also a convicted sec offender in possession of child pornography? Yes I think this would definitely be a person of interest.

None of that seems to matter to that poster though. He’s routinely dismissed as a fella in a pub chatting shlt.

Odd.

limnam

Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

If you’re referring to the German suspect who was outside the apartment on the night of the disappearance, who is also a convicted sec offender in possession of child pornography? Yes I think this would definitely be a person of interest.

Definitely.

Sec offenders are always of interest.

But people creaming themselves over a drunken slur in a pub. Not so much.

When the same people were very quick to find solutions for much more interesting predicaments.

limnam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is so "normal" to think that it took 13 years to come up with this potential suspect. Honestly.

Letters referred to everywhere, but not delivered. Why not courier the letter to the Leicester Police and have them deliver it to Rothley where McCanns live (or lived). Well I suppose Leicester is in lock down now so no chances will be taken now I suppose.

So the saga goes on.

I'd get a delivery from Amazon.De quicker than that letter. lol.

UK police have been ignoring the guy for 13 years.

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

UK police have been ignoring the guy for 13 years.

As have the Portugese police.

Which shows just how inept they have been from the very beginning.

limnam

happyoutscan wrote: »

As have the Portugese police.

Which shows just how inept they have been from the very beginning.

Well they were lied to from the moment they arrived on the scene.

Saying that, it was the Portuguese police who provided the info to the UK who did fck all.

Spanish Eyes

happyoutscan wrote: »

As have the Portugese police.

Which shows just how inept they have been from the very beginning.

Yes I agree about Scotland Yard and Leicester Police there.

limnam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Yes I agree about Scotland Yard and Leicester Police there.

The MET were even ruling out certain avenues of investigation.

While they also did fck all with what could be important leads.

But it's the Portuguese police that fcked up :rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes

limnam wrote: »

The MET were even ruling out certain avenues of investigation.

While they also did fck all with what could be important leads.

But it's the Portuguese police that fcked up :rolleyes:

Well that is received wisdom anyway, carefully placed in the public eye. Nothing could rehabilitate them ever after that.

Meanwhile the Met, Scotland Yard, Leicester Police, well....what can I say about their investigations.

But anyway it will forever be blamed on the Portuguese Police.

So glad Amaral won his case. English Exceptionalism doesn't always work does it.

But the little girl is still missing. That is the tragedy.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

The MET were even ruling out certain avenues of investigation.

While they also did fck all with what could be important leads.

But it's the Portuguese police that fcked up :rolleyes:

I don't suppose it has occurred to you, that the reason Amaral predicted that CB would become a person of interest was because Amaral was aware of his previous extradition from Portugal on pedophile charges and knew that others would eventually be on to what perhaps he himself suspected?

A Scotland Yard detective who lived next door to Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner is working with Portuguese police to find the missing three-year-old, it was sensationally claimed today.

I thought this case couldn't possibly get any weirder but this is ridiculous.

limnam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well that is received wisdom anyway, carefully placed in the public eye. Nothing could rehabilitate them ever after that.

Meanwhile the Met, Scotland Yard, Leicester Police, well....what can I say about their investigations.

But anyway it will forever be blamed on the Portuguese Police.

So glad Amaral won his case. English Exceptionalism doesn't always work does it.

But the little girl is still missing. That is the tragedy.

It did cost the public 750k of heard earned though.

So many people could have benefited from that waste

limnam

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't suppose it has occurred to you, that the reason Amaral predicted that CB would become a person of interest was because Amaral was aware of his previous extradition from Portugal on pedophile charges and knew that others would eventually be on to what perhaps he himself suspected?

Considering they past it on _13_ years ago.

I guess he did.

Why he said 12 _months_ ago he'd be stitched.

Thats not so obvious.

v638sg7k1a92bx

limnam wrote: »

Definitely.

Sec offenders are always of interest.

But people creaming themselves over a drunken slur in a pub. Not so much.

When the same people were very quick to find solutions for much more interesting predicaments.

What could be a more interesting predicament in this particular scenario? I would think that this is a much stronger line of inquiry.