Madeleine McCann

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

You are quoting Gerry McCann worst parent of the year from his own statements as if it's evidence. Get a grip on reality.

Oh, it's you again. Does anybody on this thread look at the posts I'm quoting before jumping down my throat with nonsense attacks.

I'm not quoting Banana Republic's whole post again (it's there if you can be bothered to go back and read), She asked if there were any independent witnesses to back up Gerry's statement that he was playing tennis from 6pm to 7pm. I simply posted that there were, in fact, three independent witnesses who were playing tennis with him at the time. If you wish to call them liars as well, be my guest, but stop with the 'get a grip on reality' rubbish. It's not warranted here.

You'd do well to watch the new Netflix show Usual suspects. I'd love to hear your thoughts on episode 2 and the lead suspect. He goes to great lengths to explain how the murder can't be him has he has a perfect alibi. Like Gerry the statement's demonstrate his intelligence but no more.

You don't need a perfect alibi if you're innocent. No idea how some other case involving some random guy has any bearing on this one, or how it's in any way relevant, but you'd do well to stick to the facts in this case instead of referring people onto some other random case on Netflix.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

You misunderstood the conversation and got things wrong. These things happen. Chin up.

Just to get things back on track. When they say the peado re-registered his vehicle, do they have any clue as to where that was done. That could be key.

You just can’t help yourself with the patronising passive aggression, I’m sure you think you’re getting a rise out of everyone but you’re not.
I personally find it amusing.
Everyone can see quite clearly what you’re doing, and that you aren’t posting with the honest intentions of wanting to debate, all you do is go on about how ‘neutral’ you are when you are undoubtedly the least impartial person on this whole thread.
Pontificating about how people need to be more open minded while voting the opposite in the thread poll, you couldn’t make it up.
At least everyone can see it for what it is though.
But I agree, let’s move on now that we’ve cleared all that up.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

Murder is a very strong word. I'd avoid using it as the parents didnt murder her you can be pretty certain of that.

You point out they left their children alone but they were also in an unlocked room. So alone and precariously vulnerable.

Alone in an unlocked room someone could have taken her. Sedated and alone she could have critically injured herself. The alone and unlocked is a requirement of whatever you think caused her death. At the very best the McCanns were partly responsible for her death.

I've heard people saying they were differnt times yet I've not heard anyone saying we used to do that or our friends family parents used to so that.... To me the idea of having tapas and wine while your children are alone in an unlocked room is totally alien. Maybe you can explain a scenario where this didnt contribute to her death.

I’m not getting into whataboutery with you, I’ve made my position clear. I don’t have to justify myself any further, particularly when I know you have no interest in listening to anything I have to say.

Leaving the children alone and unsupervised while they went out for tapas and wine was wrong, but I don’t believe that makes them murderers or killers.
I take no pleasure in berating and criticising them when they are already paying the ultimate price for what they did.
The only person responsible for Madeleine disappearing is the person who took her, and so far there is nothing to prove that was her parents.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

You just can’t help yourself with the patronising passive aggression, I’m sure you think you’re getting a rise out of everyone but you’re not.
I personally find it amusing.
Everyone can see quite clearly what you’re doing, and that you aren’t posting with the honest intentions of wanting to debate, all you do is go on about how ‘neutral’ you are when you are undoubtedly the least impartial person on this whole thread.
Pontificating about how people need to be more open minded while voting the opposite in the thread poll, you couldn’t make it up.
At least everyone can see it for what it is though.
But I agree, let’s move on now that we’ve cleared all that up.

Calm down. No need for posts like that. What thread poll? Ohhhh! Just had a look. Oops, clicked the wrong button. I made a mistake, I hold my hands up and admit it. I meant to select another option. See, it's not so difficult to admit when you make mistakes. No one will think less of you.

Now, back to the case. Was the peado still in the area, where was he when he re-registered the car?

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Now, back to the case. Was the peado still in the area, where was he when he re-registered the car?

Don't you have access to Google?

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Don't you have access to Google?

You are probably being too kind in your estimate of both resourcefulness and skill set.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

dark crystal wrote: »

Don't you have access to Google?

I know, I know. It's not a discussion about the McCanns so you don't want it brought up here. But are you a mod on this forum?

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

I know, I know. It's not a discussion about the McCanns so you don't want it brought up here. But are you a mod on this forum?

No. Are you? As far as I can see, you're the only one complaining about the direction in which the discussion unfolds.

Here: https://www.google.com/

You're welcome

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

dark crystal wrote: »

No. Are you? As far as I can see, you're the only one complaining about the direction in which the discussion unfolds.

Here: https://www.google.com/

You're welcome

I believe only a mod can ban discussion on topics on this forum. Thanks for the link but I think I'll discuss it here. Wow, did you see that, you got thanked for providing a link. All I got was abuse for providing helpful links. :pac:

Now, I wonder how far the peado travelled the next day. I don't believe re-registering was possible to do online at the time.

OwlsZat

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Oh, it's you again. Does anybody on this thread look at the posts I'm quoting before jumping down my throat with nonsense attacks.

Sorry to tell you nobody really reads your posts. Full of personal insults garbled text and zero content. In all the spam you've written you haven't provided a single interesting thought.

Banana Republic.

dark crystal wrote: »

He was playing tennis with the Tennis coach, Dan, Dr. julian Totman and a man called Curtis. All independent witnesses and not part of his group of friends.

From his statement: https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm



So, David Payne, having returned from a beach trip with his family and other members of the group - but not the McCanns - met Gerry at the tennis court at 6.30pm and then went to talk to Kate at her apartment. He then returns to the tennis court just before 7pm and plays tennis himself whilst Gerry goes back to the apartment.

Sorry, but I cannot find Kate's statement in which she says how long David Payne was at the apartment and whether there was a discrepency, however, Payne was at the tennis court, in the vision of independent witnesses, at 6.30pm and again just before 7pm.



The Smith sighting cannot be Gerry, as many independent witnesses put him at the Ocean Club resort at 10pm, the same time as that sighting.

I'm a bit unclear about your last suggestion..are you saying that it's possible that Gerry contacted CB, a paedophile living in a country they'd never visited before, to hand his child over to the day before (May 2nd)?

Apologies if that's not what you're saying, but if so, that goes way beyond playing devil's advocate and there's no proof whatsoever of any connection between the two.

Okay so that confirms the timing which would make out far far harder to move a child between the designated times given. The Gerry sighting was after 10 and that was when she was reported missing so that timeline can fit and Smyth sighting had relevance when he seen Gerry boarding the plane home from Portugal holding “Sean” .

Yes playing devils advocate isn’t playing a softly softly scenario. It’s a far fetched and seemingly ludicrous scenario but it’s the only way The parents could be involved in the disappearance if the timelines were in fact that tight.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

Sorry to tell you nobody really reads your posts. Full of personal insults garbled text and zero content. In all the spam you've written you haven't provided a single interesting thought.

Stop quoting me then! You keep doing it, even though you never read them...

Anything interesting to add to the discussion yourself besides personal insults aimed at a poster you have no interest in? :pac:

Banana Republic.

callmehal wrote: »

I believe only a mod can ban discussion on topics on this forum. Thanks for the link but I think I'll discuss it here. Wow, did you see that, you got thanked for providing a link. All I got was abuse for providing helpful links. :pac:

Now, I wonder how far the peado travelled the next day. I don't believe re-registering was possible to do online at the time.

That would be very interesting, surely there’s documentation and cctv of him at the place to re-register the car. This can place him and help track his possible movements between his phone call, abduction and re-registering the car.

Also talking about cars The hired Mc Cann car done 11,000 miles in the 4 months the rented the car. Police investigated this mileage as a matter of interest. Reports of the boot being left open day and night for many days is something I remember also not sure it meant much though. A neighbour who was a lawyer reported It and that the car was transporting trash bags but police thought this could of been moving a dead body. (Their word’s not mine).

Both men said there was an unusual odour in the boot, both related to the Mc Canns, one of the ppl removed the carpet and washed it the smell was so bad. Alexander Cameron at the time married to Gerrys sister & Micheal Wright married to Kate’s cousin both had access to the car while in Portugal.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

Sorry to tell you nobody really reads your posts. Full of personal insults garbled text and zero content. In all the spam you've written you haven't provided a single interesting thought.

How do you know nobody reads them? I read them, as do many others judging by the thanks DC gets. She is an extremely well informed poster. Why are you being so personal towards her? What a bizarre post.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Okay so that confirms the timing which would make out far far harder to move a child between the designated times given. The Gerry sighting was after 10 and that was when she was reported missing so that timeline can fit and Smyth sighting had relevance when he seen Gerry boarding the plane home from Portugal holding “Sean” .

Sorry, you've lost me. What Gerry sighting was after 10?

Yes playing devils advocate isn’t playing a softly softly scenario. It’s a far fetched and seemingly ludicrous scenario but it’s the only way The parents could be involved in the disappearance if the timelines were in fact that tight.

If there were any connection between CB and the McCanns, the police would have a log of it. They have a log of the phone call he made to the mystery Portuguese mobile, so there's no reason why they wouldn't have a log of other calls.

Also, again not sure if exactly correct, but I think I read that the McCanns mobile phones were not used for a large portion of that day, not until after the alarm had been raised. I'll see if I can find it...

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

How do you know nobody reads them? I read them, as do many others judging by the thanks DC gets. She is an extremely well informed poster. Why are you being so personal towards her? What a bizarre post.

Thanks RE, water off a duck's back with that one, trust me

Spanish Eyes

Thread might be closed soon. By the real moderators!

It is manic in here now. I said, he said, she said, they all said, the paedo done it, the parents did it, no they didn't, don't attack me, look it up on google.

Honestly, it is great craic altogether, apart from the fact that the little child is missing for 13 years possibly forever.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

Thanks RE, water off a duck's back with that one, trust me

Nobody reads your posts okay McCann evangelist? I will obsessively quote your posts day in day out but I’m not reading them mmmkay?

Banana Republic.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thread might be closed soon. By the real moderators!

It is manic in here now. I said, he said, she said, they all said, the paedo done it, the parents did it, no they didn't, don't attack me, look it up on google.

Honestly, it is great craic altogether, apart from the fact that the little child is missing for 13 years possibly forever.

Everyone should Listen to the podcast and then come back to discuss it. Fascinating if ppl are actually really interested in knowing the investigation facts.

Banana Republic.

Powerful stuff here, Amaral said they would use a German Peado who is currently in jail in Germany for an unrelated matter and will be used to close the case and wrap things up. He found nothing to link him to the abduction. Also that Operation Grange had been working on another German Peado to close the case but he died a few years ago and they are looking to use someone to end this case without actually solving it.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Can anyone inform me why exactly it would be in the interest of Scotland Yard, their “friends in high places”, Government collusion with D notices and the like to cover for the McCanns if they did in fact harm their child?

What on earth is in it for them, pray tell?

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Powerful stuff here, Amaral said they would use a German Peado who is currently in jail in Germany for an unrelated matter and will be used to close the case and wrap things up. He found nothing to link him to the abduction. Also that Operation Grange had been working on another German Peado to close the case but he died a few years ago and they are looking to use someone to end this case without actually solving it.

Why would the German Polizei be interested in ending the case in this way?

More nonsense from Amaral. He's a ****.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Banana Republic. wrote: »

That would be very interesting, surely there’s documentation and cctv of him at the place to re-register the car. This can place him and help track his possible movements between his phone call, abduction and re-registering the car.

Also talking about cars The hired Mc Cann car done 11,000 miles in the 4 months the rented the car. Police investigated this mileage as a matter of interest. Reports of the boot being left open day and night for many days is something I remember also not sure it meant much though. A neighbour who was a lawyer reported It and that the car was transporting trash bags but police thought this could of been moving a dead body. (Their word’s not mine).

Both men said there was an unusual odour in the boot, both related to the Mc Canns, one of the ppl removed the carpet and washed it the smell was so bad. Alexander Cameron at the time married to Gerrys sister & Micheal Wright married to Kate’s cousin both had access to the car while in Portugal.

That's what I was thinking. If it was the next day, then he either still had Madeleine in the vehicle, hidden somewhere or he didn't have her anymore. The rumour is that the German police have video or photo evidence of something. It could have been taken the night she went missing but I'd think more likely not. So if it was the peado. She was in his vehicle while he re-registered it. This is all guesswork.

The rental car is very dodgy and one of the pieces of evidence that points towards the McCanns. There's a video of Eddie the cadaver dog alerting to the car and what you mention above raises suspicions.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Amaral said they would use a German Peado

Amaral the convicted lying perjurer who has made a fortune out of implicating Kate and Gerry said what now?

No way?

He did not?

Say it ain’t so....


:rolleyes:

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Powerful stuff here, Amaral said they would use a German Peado who is currently in jail in Germany for an unrelated matter and will be used to close the case and wrap things up. He found nothing to link him to the abduction. Also that Operation Grange had been working on another German Peado to close the case but he died a few years ago and they are looking to use someone to end this case without actually solving it.

Amaral could be vindicated eventually. It'll probably never get solved but he could be right.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

If there were any connection between CB and the McCanns, the police would have a log of it. They have a log of the phone call he made to the mystery Portuguese mobile, so there's no reason why they wouldn't have a log of other calls.

Also, again not sure if exactly correct, but I think I read that the McCanns mobile phones were not used for a large portion of that day, not until after the alarm had been raised. I'll see if I can find it...

I found a log of phone 'ping' sites, which also shows amount of calls made, in which location and at what times:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_PING.htm

On 3rd May, Kate's phone is used at 8.23am, 8.24am, 12.31pm, 13.34pm and then not again until 23.14pm.

On the same day, Gerry's phone is used at 12.24pm and then not again until 23.14pm.

This helps to corroborate the statement from the McCanns that they didn't have their phones at dinner and had they been communicating with some paedo, they weren't making too many phone calls on that day to organise this 'kidnap'.

Like I said, the police have a log of CB's communications that day. If the McCanns number was included, I suspect they'd be in custody by now...

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

The rental car is very dodgy and one of the pieces of evidence that points towards the McCanns. There's a video of Eddie the cadaver dog alerting to the car and what you mention above raises suspicions.

The McCanns didn't do it.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

Can anyone inform me why exactly it would be in the interest of Scotland Yard, their “friends in high places”, Government collusion with D notices and the like to cover for the McCanns if they did in fact harm their child?

What on earth is in it for them, pray tell?

What's in it for the Germans either? Do the McCanns have them in their pockets too? I just don't get it.

I do, however, get why Amaral would want to cover his a*se.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

happyoutscan wrote: »

The McCanns didn't do it.

We've been over this. You can't just wish it away.

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

We've been over this. You can't just wish it away.

It doesn't need to be. It's 2020, not 2007.

Come on, engage that brain.

Banana Republic.

happyoutscan wrote: »

Why would the German Polizei be interested in ending the case in this way?

More nonsense from Amaral. He's a ****.

He spoke of Operation Grange not the German police but the German police getting involved for me was more about highlighting the other cases CB is accused of including that little girl that went missing in Germany too.

Spanish Eyes

retro:electro wrote: »

Can anyone inform me why exactly it would be in the interest of Scotland Yard, their “friends in high places”, Government collusion with D notices and the like to cover for the McCanns if they did in fact harm their child?

What on earth is in it for them, pray tell?

I don't think they physically harmed their child but who knows what may have transpired WRT possible sedation. definite abandonment and so on?

Anyway, the PM of the UK at the time (well in June 2007)was Gordon Brown a Scot like Gerry. Join the dots.

Banana Republic.

dark crystal wrote: »

I found a log of phone 'ping' sites, which also shows amount of calls made, in which location and at what times:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_PING.htm

On 3rd May, Kate's phone is used at 8.23am, 8.24am, 12.31pm, 13.34pm and then not again until 23.14pm.

On the same day, Gerry's phone is used at 12.24pm and then not again until 23.14pm.

This helps to corroborate the statement from the McCanns that they didn't have their phones at dinner and had they been communicating with some paedo, they weren't making too many phone calls on that day to organise this 'kidnap'.

Like I said, the police have a log of CB's communications that day. If the McCanns number was included, I suspect they'd be in custody by now...

Clever if it was planned, no links to phones or can’t be pinged, clever.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway, the PM of the UK at the time (well in June 2007)was Gordon Brown a Scot like Gerry. Join the dots.

Oh sweet Jesus...

If I harmed my child, would Micheál Martin help me cover it up because we hail from the same country??

Spanish Eyes

dark crystal wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus...

If I harmed my child, would Micheál Martin help me cover it up because we hail from the same country??

They had friends in high places, that engenders publicity and MONEY, Sweet Jesus.

Where did I say they wanted to cover it up please?

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They had friends in high places, Sweet Jesus.

Any proof for this statement? Anything?

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway, the PM of the UK at the time (well in June 2007)was Gordon Brown a Scot like Gerry. Join the dots.

So he covered for the fact that Madeleine was possibly drugged, killed and disposed of by her parents, managed to convince the rest of government to do so too, so much so that they’ve all managed to stay silent til this day.. slap a D notice on any press chitter chat all because of... patriotism?


Jaysus.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Clever if it was planned, no links to phones or can’t be pinged, clever.

So if they made phone calls, it's suss. If they didn't, it's even more suss.

Gotcha.

happyoutscan

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

retro:electro wrote: »

So he covered for the fact that Madeleine was possibly drugged, killed and disposed of by her parents, managed to convince the rest of government to do so too, so much so that they’ve all managed to stay silent til this day.. slap a D notice on any press chitter chat all because of... patriotism?


Jaysus.

Absolutely unbelievable the nonsense some people come out with. Unbelievable.

Spanish Eyes

There is no doubt that the Mcs had friends in high places at all. Think about it. How did they manage to get Sky News to paste it all over the world the next day. I doubt anyone else would have been able to do that so quickly.

Anyway I sense a bit of hysteria from some posters now, and wonder why.

Banana Republic.

dark crystal wrote: »

So if they made phone calls, it's suss. If they didn't, it's even more suss.

Gotcha.

I didn’t say anything about making calls. You can’t track silence that’s for sure.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

happyoutscan wrote: »

It doesn't need to be. It's 2020, not 2007.

Come on, engage that brain.

Fully engaged. Really strange things happen. We'd all hope that parents wouldn't do such a thing but things like this have happened before. Let's not forget that the parents were neglecting their kids and leaving them on their own night after night. It's a horrific thought but parents have killed their children before.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is no doubt that the Mcs had friends in high places at all. Think about it. How did they manage to get Sky News to paste it all over the world the next day. I doubt anyone else would have been able to do that so quickly.

Anyway I sense a bit of hysteria from some posters now, and wonder why.

I'm perfectly calm, far from hysterical.

Proof of your statement that they had friends in high places, including the Prime Minister?

Spanish Eyes

retro:electro wrote: »

So he covered for the fact that Madeleine was possibly drugged, killed and disposed of by her parents, managed to convince the rest of government to do so too, so much so that they’ve all managed to stay silent til this day.. slap a D notice on any press chitter chat all because of... patriotism?


Jaysus.

I didn't say anything of the sort in your rant above. Connections help, it is obvious.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway I sense a bit of hysteria from some posters now, and wonder why.

No hysteria. Just amazed that you’ve just posted on a public forum the possibility that Gordon Brown might have covered the killing, cover up and disposal of Madeleine Mc Cann as favour to Gerry cos they were both from Scotland.

It’s a bit mad like.

Spanish Eyes

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm perfectly calm, far from hysterical.

Proof of your statement that they had friends in high places, including the Prime Minister?

Prove that there was NO help, thanks.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I didn't say anything of the sort in your rant above. Connections help, it is obvious.

So your whole point about them both being Scottish and joining the dots was about what exactly? You won’t mind clarifying so if I’ve taken you up wrong.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I didn’t say anything about making calls. You can’t track silence that’s for sure.

You played devil's advocate earlier and suggested they may have been in cahoots with CB. As there was no internet where they were at that time, how else would they have hatched the plan for CB to take their daughter without making phone calls?

Smoke signals? Carrier pigeon?

Spanish Eyes

retro:electro wrote: »

No hysteria. Just amazed that you’ve just posted on a public forum the possibility that Gordon Brown might have covered the killing, cover up and disposal of Madeleine Mc Cann as favour to Gerry cos they were both from Scotland.

It’s a bit mad like.

Not a chance your rants are going to flummox me!

I never ever said that any politician would do as your mad statements above said.

Joining the dots refers to influencing publicity.

But you cannot see that can you in your hysteria. LOL.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

dark crystal wrote: »

You played devil's advocate earlier and suggested they may have been in cahoots with CB. As there was no internet where they were at that time, how else would they have hatched the plan for CB to take their daughter without making phone calls?

Smoke signals? Carrier pigeon?

There's no easier way to communicate with someone? If you don't have the internet or you can't make calls, that's it. You can never communicate with anyone again. :pac: What was life like before the internet and phones?