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Madeleine McCann
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Something Elsechicorytip wrote: »Secondly, does anybody believe it possible to maintain a facade of innocence for so long without being found out?
Yeah.
People do it all the time, not necessarily after their child goes missing, but people lie all the time. Some are really good at it too, regardless of evidence against them. Lance Armstrong springs to mind, Jimmy Saville another. Every politician that's ever lived
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She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)Yeah.
People do it all the time, not necessarily after their child goes missing, but people lie all the time. Some are really good at it too, regardless of evidence against them. Lance Armstrong springs to mind, Jimmy Saville another. Every politician that's ever lived
So all the people who sat down to eat that night, the Tapas 7, have all managed to keep this terrible secret, the most terrible secret anyone could possibly have, for 12 years.
Despite merciless scrutiny from the press and the public.
Not one of them ever let one iota slip.
Not to anyone. Not in a row. No ones conscience was pricked. Ever.
Not a word.
So. 7 psychotics all just happened to go on holiday together.
7 people know where the body of the most famous missing child ever is and none of them have ever cracked.
You do know how insane this is, surely?0 -
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She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)Charmeleon wrote: »There was a witness who made a statement to the Gardand then the Portuguese police that he was almost certain he saw Gerry McCann walking with a child draped over his shoulder towards the beach. The e-fit of this man was created by the McCann investigators but was not released until Scotland Yard obtained it years later.
Load of Bollox :rolleyes:
Kate McCann believed the Smith sighting is highly significant
From the May 2009 Channel 4 documentary "Madeleine Was Here" (4.36):-
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The most likely sighting of Madeleine and her abductor was by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns.
In the files, Kate believes another witness statement from an Irish family, describes a very similar sighting to Jane’s. Less than a mile from the McCann’s apartment.
Kate: The reason why this is significant is.... both sightings were given independently. So, when this family gave their statement they weren’t aware of Jane's description and there’s actually quite a lot of similarities ... and it does beg the question... I mean, how many people carry their children on a cold night, not covered, you know?
Nothing on their arms, or their feet - no blanket.
Now, either there’s been two people carrying children that way who haven’t come forward to eliminate themselves, or potentially they’re related.
Voice of Interviewer: But, you think that child is Madeleine?
Kate: I think there's a good chance it could be Madeleine.
Certainly the description there sounds to me like Madeleine.Quote:
Kate McCann's book "Madeleine" (hardback):-
Kate McCann devotes no fewer than 4 pages in her book to the significance of the Smith sighting – pp 98, 328-329 & 365
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“The police did not appear to feel that Jane’s sighting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and the man and child reported by the Irish holidaymakers in Rua da Escola Primaria were related.
They seem to have concluded that these were in all likelihood two different men carrying two different children (if, they implied, these two men actually existed at all).
The only reason for their skepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings.
To me, the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing”.Quote:
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As for you bull about DNA evidence
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MonkieSocks wrote: »Load of Bollox :rolleyes:
Kate McCann believed the Smith sighting is highly significant
From the May 2009 Channel 4 documentary "Madeleine Was Here" (4.36):-
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The most likely sighting of Madeleine and her abductor was by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns.
In the files, Kate believes another witness statement from an Irish family, describes a very similar sighting to Jane’s. Less than a mile from the McCann’s apartment.
Kate: The reason why this is significant is.... both sightings were given independently. So, when this family gave their statement they weren’t aware of Jane's description and there’s actually quite a lot of similarities ... and it does beg the question... I mean, how many people carry their children on a cold night, not covered, you know?
Nothing on their arms, or their feet - no blanket.
Now, either there’s been two people carrying children that way who haven’t come forward to eliminate themselves, or potentially they’re related.
Voice of Interviewer: But, you think that child is Madeleine?
Kate: I think there's a good chance it could be Madeleine.
Certainly the description there sounds to me like Madeleine.Quote:
Kate McCann's book "Madeleine" (hardback):-
Kate McCann devotes no fewer than 4 pages in her book to the significance of the Smith sighting – pp 98, 328-329 & 365
Quote:
“The police did not appear to feel that Jane’s sighting in Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and the man and child reported by the Irish holidaymakers in Rua da Escola Primaria were related.
They seem to have concluded that these were in all likelihood two different men carrying two different children (if, they implied, these two men actually existed at all).
The only reason for their skepticism appeared to be an unexplained time lapse between the two sightings.
To me, the similarities seem far more significant than any discrepancy in timing”.Quote:
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As for you bull about DNA evidence
I sense a pattern in your posting style. It’s almost like a computer algorithm where you detect keywords and regurgitate any related talking points without dealing with the actual issues raised.
You didn’t address any of the points I made. The Smith family saw a man carrying a child, the father later made a statement to the police that he was highly certain the man he saw looked like Gerry McCann and held the child in the same manner as Gerry did when he saw him on television. Kate doesn’t seem to mention this in any of the quotes you pasted in there.
The e-fit the McCann investigators generated from this sighting was never released by the McCann team before Scotland Yard published it.0 -
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Something Elsesplinter65 wrote: »None of the examples you give compare to 7 ordinary Joe Soaps all colluding to lie about thevery sudden tragic death of one of their minor children, and maintaining that lie doggedly for 12 years.
Jeez
How many times do I have to spell it out to you?ozzy jr wrote:ONCE AGAIN I'M NOT REFERRING TO THE MCCANNS OR THE TAPAS 7, JUST MAKING A GENERAL POINT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO TO PROTEST THEIR INNOCENCE, REGARDLESS OF THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THEM.ozzy jr wrote:I'll spell it out to you again, PEOPLE lie all the time. I'm not specifically saying the McCanns are or the Tapas 7 or anything like that. PEOPLE, just people in general.ozzy jr wrote:People do it all the time, not necessarily after their child goes missing, but people lie all the time.
Does that clear it up for you, or do I need to spell it out for you again. Ah sure I may as well. People lie all the time, from small little lies, to big f**kin huge ones. I'm not suggesting for one minute that the McCanns or the Tapas 7 are doing anything of the sort. I think that's as clear as I can make it.
Yet somehow you manage to come up with this......splinter65 wrote: »Unless your arguing that they planned to kill Madeleine prior to the holiday.
Wtf is going on in your head? I never mentioned anything of the sort.0 -
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splinter65 wrote: »Peters opinion is peters. No more or less worthy then my own.
Hi Splinter65
Have you watched all 3 episodes?
I agree it is only his opinion,however he is a trained Statement Analyst.Surely that counts for something?
Regards
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She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)Some vital witnesses the Portuguese Police didn't interview.
Michael Sperry and Clare Sperry
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village.
MICHAEL SPERREY CLARE SPERREY
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm
In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form.
[The very last paragraph of my translation of pages 121-125 in /PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm states that they are passport copies of the person identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle, camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt (taken to be the person seen by Jez Wilkins per his witness statement), and his wife. They were resort guests. I have no reference to a formal witness statement from them on file, merely the above identification to eliminate them from the inquiry.]
The Sperry's had booked the tapas for 9pm 3rd may
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She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)Some vital witnesses the Portuguese Police didn't interview.
Paul and Susan Moyse
Paul Moyes, 58, who is on holiday with his wife, Susan, said:
"The couple said the drama unfolded after what they described as “a fabulous day” in the Praia Da Luz resort.
It was as the couple were sleeping that three-year-old Madeleine was snatched from her parents’ holiday apartment below.
Mrs Moyes, 58, from Middlewich, Cheshire, told how they had returned to their apartment at around 9.15pm after an evening out.
“We went into the apartment, I went out on the balcony, looking over at the tapas bar, and remarked to Paul that there were so many people in there eating and drinking – ’what a fabulous day’.”
Among those dining in the tapas bar opposite their apartment were Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate, who were making regular trips back to their own rooms to check on their children.
Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely - we then went to bed.
“At 11.30pm there was a knock on the door. I went out in my dressing gown and there was a distressed gentleman there saying that a child had been abducted and could we help with the search..
So, we got dressed and joined in the search, we were out until about four in the morning with, oooh… about, I don't know, thirty people... thirty other people, maybe.
The Mark Warner team were out, errm... and other guests at the Ocean Club.
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Something ElseMonkieSocks wrote: »Some vital witnesses the Portuguese Police didn't interview.
Paul and Susan Moyse
Paul Moyes, 58, who is on holiday with his wife, Susan, said:
"The couple said the drama unfolded after what they described as “a fabulous day” in the Praia Da Luz resort.
It was as the couple were sleeping that three-year-old Madeleine was snatched from her parents’ holiday apartment below.
Mrs Moyes, 58, from Middlewich, Cheshire, told how they had returned to their apartment at around 9.15pm after an evening out.
“We went into the apartment, I went out on the balcony, looking over at the tapas bar, and remarked to Paul that there were so many people in there eating and drinking – ’what a fabulous day’.”
Among those dining in the tapas bar opposite their apartment were Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate, who were making regular trips back to their own rooms to check on their children.
Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely - we then went to bed.
“At 11.30pm there was a knock on the door. I went out in my dressing gown and there was a distressed gentleman there saying that a child had been abducted and could we help with the search..
So, we got dressed and joined in the search, we were out until about four in the morning with, oooh… about, I don't know, thirty people... thirty other people, maybe.
The Mark Warner team were out, errm... and other guests at the Ocean Club.
its a crazy situation.
if a child was missing the parents would be screaming adn shouting out her name. if they could hear children crying then they would easily hear a very distressed parent calling for their child. .0 -
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