Autumn Internationals Team Announcement/Talk

Squidgy Black

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1065455745733283840?s=19

It must be extremely frustrating for Mo'unga. Hansen seems intent on giving him as little game time as possible unless Barrett's unavailable.

Buer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It must be extremely frustrating for Mo'unga. Hansen seems intent on giving him as little game time as possible unless Barrett's unavailable.

It's a weird one. It does appear he's not particularly rated but, regardless, he's going to be their outhalf if Barrett gets injured in the RWC so needs more than the 250 or so minutes of test rugby he has to date.

Sopoaga and Cruden are both contracted to their NH clubs beyond the RWC so I don't see anyone else becoming the legitimate option unless they go back to McKenzie which I don't see happening at this point.

troyzer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It must be extremely frustrating for Mo'unga. Hansen seems intent on giving him as little game time as possible unless Barrett's unavailable.

Mo'unga is in a tricky situation where he plays club rugby at a team which uses its ten like no other team, he doesn't even play in the pocket most of the time. Mo'unga is not a good substitute for Barrett because they just have completely different skill sets. McKenzie for all his flaws is closer to a Barrett lite.

We have a similar problem in that Byrne is a more natural and seamless replacement for Sexton than Carbery but Carbery is a better 10 so we have to play him.

Squidgy Black

troyzer wrote: »

Mo'unga is in a tricky situation where he plays club rugby at a team which uses its ten like no other team, he doesn't even play in the pocket most of the time. Mo'unga is not a good substitute for Barrett because they just have completely different skill sets. McKenzie for all his flaws is closer to a Barrett lite.

We have a similar problem in that Byrne is a more natural and seamless replacement for Sexton than Carbery but Carbery is a better 10 so we have to play him.

Yeah it's an interesting one, they're both completely different styles of players, but McKenzie also isn't a substitute for Barrett in the fact that he's just not a decent 10. His open play is similar in style, but he just doesn't have the skill set to play 10 to a decent level.

I can see Mo'unga looking to go North after the RWC if Barrett stays healthy and on form. Although he's young (he'll still only be 25 after the RWC), Barrett's only 3 years older than him.

I'd love to see Mo'unga at 10 and Barrett at 15, but it's obvious Hansen is targeting this game as a big win to try brush the loss and win by the scrape of their teeth vs England under the carpet.

Yeah_Right

I had completely forgotten that Laumape and Jordie Barrett were on this tour. Would be good to see them back in form. Especially Barrett. He's had a horrible year. Also looking forward to seeing Fafita. Blindside is a spot that is crying out for someone to claim it. Hope Papalii getts a good run off the bench.

troyzer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Yeah it's an interesting one, they're both completely different styles of players, but McKenzie also isn't a substitute for Barrett in the fact that he's just not a decent 10. His open play is similar in style, but he just doesn't have the skill set to play 10 to a decent level.

I can see Mo'unga looking to go North after the RWC if Barrett stays healthy and on form. Although he's young (he'll still only be 25 after the RWC), Barrett's only 3 years older than him.

I'd love to see Mo'unga at 10 and Barrett at 15, but it's obvious Hansen is targeting this game as a big win to try brush the loss and win by the scrape of their teeth vs England under the carpet.

He could be waiting for Barrett to move north, something which seems very likely given the insane numbers being thrown out there.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I had completely forgotten that Laumape and Jordie Barrett were on this tour. Would be good to see them back in form. Especially Barrett. He's had a horrible year. Also looking forward to seeing Fafita. Blindside is a spot that is crying out for someone to claim it. Hope Papalii getts a good run off the bench.

Hence why I'm surprised he didn't start Scott Barrett there.

stephen_n

troyzer wrote: »

Mo'unga is in a tricky situation where he plays club rugby at a team which uses its ten like no other team, he doesn't even play in the pocket most of the time. Mo'unga is not a good substitute for Barrett because they just have completely different skill sets. McKenzie for all his flaws is closer to a Barrett lite.

We have a similar problem in that Byrne is a more natural and seamless replacement for Sexton than Carbery but Carbery is a better 10 player so we have to play him.

I'd say that's more true, currently Byrne is the better 10.

croket

Georgia vs Tonga teams up :

GEORGIA
1- Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier, Fra)
2- Shalva Mamukashvili (Enisei-STM, Rus)
3- Levan Chilachava (Montpellier, Fra)
4- Nodar Cheishvili (Cornish Pirates, Eng)
5- Lasha Lomidze (Aurillac, Fra)
6- Otar Giorgadze (Brive, Fra)
7- Giorgi Tsutskiridze (Aurillac, Fra)
8- Beka Gorgadze (Bordeaux-Bègles, Fra)
9- Vasil Lobzhanidze (Brive, Fra)
10- Tedo Abzhandadze (Aia Kutaisi)
11- Giorgi Kveseladze (Armazi Marneuli)
12- Tamaz Mchedlidze (Agen, Fra)
13- Merab Sharikadze (Aurillac, Fra)
14- Zurab Dzneladze (Locomotive Tbilisi)
15- Lasha Khmaladze (Batumi)

#6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 are born from 1996 et 1999 !!

16- Jaba Bregvadze (Sunwolves, Jap)
17- Zurab Zhvania (Wasps, Eng)
18- Beka Gigashvili (Grenoble, Fra)
19- Shalva Sutiashvili (Soyaux-Angoulême, Fra)
20- Beka Bitsadze (Narbonne, Fra)
21- Giorgi Tkhilaishvili (Batumi)
22- Gela Aprasidze (Montpellier, Fra)
23- Merab Kvirikashvili (Lelo Saracens Tbilisi)


TONGA
1- Siegfried Fisi'ihoi (Stade Français, Fra)
2- Sefo Sakalia (unattached)
3- Maʻafu Fia (Ospreys, Wal)
4- Leva Fifita (Grenoble, Fra)
5- Steve Mafi (Manawatu, NZ)
6- Daniel Faleafa (Coventry, Eng)
7- Fotu Lokotui (Counties Manukau, NZ)
8- Zane Kapeli (Bay of Plenty, NZ)
9- Sonatane Takulua (Newcastle, Eng)
10- Kurth Morath (Doncaster, Eng)
11- Daniel Kilioni (Grenoble, Fra)
12- Alaska Taufa (Grenoble, Fra)
13- Latu Vaeno (Taranaki, NZ)
14- Viliami Lolohea (unattached)
15- Vunga Lilo (Montauban)

16- Sione Anga’aelangi (Biarritz, Fra)
17- Tolu Fahamokioa (Wellington, NZ)
18- Ben Tameifuna (Racing92, Fra)
19- Sam Ulufonua (Hawke's Bay, NZ)
20- Mike Faleafa (Perpignan, Fra)
21- Sione Vailanu (Saracens, Eng)
22- Leon Fukofuka (Auckland, NZ)
23- Atieli Pakalani (NSW Country, Aus)

troyzer

croket wrote: »

Georgia vs Tonga teams up :

GEORGIA
1- Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier, Fra)
2- Shalva Mamukashvili (Enisei-STM, Rus)
3- Levan Chilachava (Montpellier, Fra)
4- Nodar Cheishvili (Cornish Pirates, Eng)
5- Lasha Lomidze (Aurillac, Fra)
6- Otar Giorgadze (Brive, Fra)
7- Giorgi Tsutskiridze (Aurillac, Fra)
8- Beka Gorgadze (Bordeaux-Bègles, Fra)
9- Vasil Lobzhanidze (Brive, Fra)
10- Tedo Abzhandadze (Aia Kutaisi)
11- Giorgi Kveseladze (Armazi Marneuli)
12- Tamaz Mchedlidze (Agen, Fra)
13- Merab Sharikadze (Aurillac, Fra)
14- Zurab Dzneladze (Locomotive Tbilisi)
15- Lasha Khmaladze (Batumi)

#6 #7 #8 #9 #10 #11 are born from 1996 et 1999 !!

16- Jaba Bregvadze (Sunwolves, Jap)
17- Zurab Zhvania (Wasps, Eng)
18- Beka Gigashvili (Grenoble, Fra)
19- Shalva Sutiashvili (Soyaux-Angoulême, Fra)
20- Beka Bitsadze (Narbonne, Fra)
21- Giorgi Tkhilaishvili (Batumi)
22- Gela Aprasidze (Montpellier, Fra)
23- Merab Kvirikashvili (Lelo Saracens Tbilisi)


TONGA
1- Siegfried Fisi'ihoi (Stade Français, Fra)
2- Sefo Sakalia (unattached)
3- Maʻafu Fia (Ospreys, Wal)
4- Leva Fifita (Grenoble, Fra)
5- Steve Mafi (Manawatu, NZ)
6- Daniel Faleafa (Coventry, Eng)
7- Fotu Lokotui (Counties Manukau, NZ)
8- Zane Kapeli (Bay of Plenty, NZ)
9- Sonatane Takulua (Newcastle, Eng)
10- Kurth Morath (Doncaster, Eng)
11- Daniel Kilioni (Grenoble, Fra)
12- Alaska Taufa (Grenoble, Fra)
13- Latu Vaeno (Taranaki, NZ)
14- Viliami Lolohea (unattached)
15- Vunga Lilo (Montauban)

16- Sione Anga’aelangi (Biarritz, Fra)
17- Tolu Fahamokioa (Wellington, NZ)
18- Ben Tameifuna (Racing92, Fra)
19- Sam Ulufonua (Hawke's Bay, NZ)
20- Mike Faleafa (Perpignan, Fra)
21- Sione Vailanu (Saracens, Eng)
22- Leon Fukofuka (Auckland, NZ)
23- Atieli Pakalani (NSW Country, Aus)

I will give €20 to the first person here who records themselves pronouncing all of those names correctly.

prawnsambo

stephen_n wrote: »

I'd say that's more true, currently Byrne is the better 10.

Is this the new ROG v Sexton? :pac:

prawnsambo

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is this the new ROG v Sexton? :pac:

Hopefully

awec

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1065455745733283840?s=19

Speaking of Barretts, when you look at a photo of the three brothers it's like playing spot the forward.

Elvisjuice

awec wrote: »

Speaking of Barretts, when you look at a photo of the three brothers it's like playing spot the forward.

class pic

awec

I'm sure Mrs Barrett has it on the mantelpiece alright.

Elvisjuice

awec wrote: »

I'm sure Mrs Barrett has it on the mantelpiece alright.

am sure she would any Mother would be uber proud of that

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

Elvisjuice wrote: »

am sure she would any Mother would be uber proud of that

Especially if they were her own children

troyzer

Elvisjuice wrote: »

class pic

Better pic.



If you look closely, you can see the exact moment he realised he wasn't going to win World Player of the Year.

Mookie Blaylock

It seems that Kurtley Beale and A.A Cooper are out of today's English game for breaking team rules..... bringing women back to their room after the Wales game

Mookie Blaylock

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

It seems that Kurtley Beale and A.A Cooper are out of today's English game for breaking team rules..... bringing women back to their room after the Wales game

And Pocock is injured. Circumstance papers over the cracks for England.

kuang1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And Pocock is injured. Circumstance papers over the cracks for England.

And I say let it paper over them. Their next game after today is against us in Dublin in February. If today's game affords them a little delusion about where they are as a team then that suits us just fine!

I know the All Black's are trying a few new things, but this is a bit ridiculous.

Cockford Ollie

NZ lots of fumbles already.

sydthebeat

Basil3 wrote: »

I know the All Black's are trying a few new things, but this is a bit ridiculous.

Lol

Mookie Blaylock

Can't make up my mind what game to watch now!

PTH2009

What channel is the all blacks game on

Cockford Ollie

PTH2009 wrote: »

What channel is the all blacks game on

Premier Sports 1
Eir Sports 2

razorblunt

I wasn't aware the gf of one of the Argentinean's passed away suddenly during the week.

Mookie Blaylock

Ref off in the Italy v AB's game... injured by falling players

Burkie1203

razorblunt wrote: »

I wasn't aware the gf of one of the Argentinean's passed away suddenly during the week.

Where was that mentioned?

razorblunt

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Where was that mentioned?

Gabby Logan and Bosch spoke about it pre kick off.
I think it was their #7, Brugi is starting today in place of him.


Very fortunate penalty for Scotland, Hogg should have been pinged before that for holding on.

razorblunt

Argentinean passing is shocking.

mangobob

What must it feel like for COS sitting in the coaches box surrounded by home fans and watching your team get slaughtered, knowing that the floodgates are starting to open. Must be soul destroying.

razorblunt

3 high hits by Scotland already.

Brown being rightly reviewed, should be a yellow.

BBC very quick to gloss over but the TMO went back.

Burkie1203

Fraser Brown very lucky there IMO

mangobob

Australians absolutely destroyed there at the scrum. Wow.

errlloyd

Did anyone see the Argentina scrummie grubber with his head? Play got called back for something else

razorblunt

No idea what Scotland are trying to do here, Russell and Hastings want to run everything but its pointless with Laidlaw at 9. Might open up more with Horne on in the second half.

Argies kicking tactics are hampered by deliberate Scottish blocking lines, by Kinghorn especially.

awec

Australia are bloody rubbish.

FrancieBrady

Eng v Aus is very lethargic stuff.

P.Walnuts

So many errors in English v Aus. Awful stuff

Heymans

awec wrote: »

Australia are bloody rubbish.

Think it’s Cheka to be honest. Don’t rate him as a coach personally.

razorblunt

I forgot how much of a pleasure its been not having to listen to Barnes week in week in. Spent 3 minutes talking about someone running a decoy run, also happy to point out the lack of skill in Australia's attempts but praising England for their effort.

mangobob

Heymans wrote: »

Think it’s Cheka to be honest. Don’t rate him as a coach personally.

Whatever about rating him as a coach, I think he can't keep his job if Australia dont improve massively. Their basics are shocking.

Gonad

Christ I’m sick of listening to Clive Woodward talking about taking 3 points and building a fooking score . It’s like he constantly tries to explain why his England team played ****e rugby.

vienne86

Ah hell - I thought that was good for Australia.

razorblunt

"Itoje gets himself in an exceptional position for that turnover" says Barnes.

Replay shows he was on his forearms. Silence.

awec

I wish we had Australia in our WC group cause we would hump this lot.

errlloyd

razorblunt wrote: »

"Itoje gets himself in an exceptional position for that turnover" says Barnes.

Replay shows he was on his forearms. Silence.

Meh, no different to Ireland commentators with Pom last week.

vienne86

That was just classy by Foulau.

mangobob

Magnificent try from IF. Brilliant stuff.