Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
House to be sold, we dont want to go
Options
Comments
-
Increase in rent was done so the tenant would say ‘I can’t afford it’ and move out then without any agro as they were clearly being obstructive to the landlords wishes
As a landlord myself , if a tenant behaved like this I would be disgusted0 -
I feel sorry for landlords....you see this week in week out. If the house was rented 5 years ago that was still in recession and the landlord was probably renting below the mortgage rate, tenant was and is aware of that and sat for 5 years screwing the landlord.
The rent would probably be double now but landlord now has to sell and kindly gives plenty of notice to tenant. Tenant sits on ass for 4 months and now wants to stay because it doesn’t suit them. Don’t get me started on the dog which has probably ruined every bit of furniture and carpet in the house....
In regards to the other houses, agents will put up below value to get people in the door. Also has nothing to do with you unless your buying them. They will sell at market value
So my advice, get up and move out. Minus the dog if you can’t get a house for pets, everyone is busy so that’s no excuse .....maybe help the landlord for once because you certainly haven’t for the last 5 years0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »I feel sorry for landlords....you see this week in week out. If the house was rented 5 years ago that was still in recession and the landlord was probably renting below the mortgage rate, tenant was and is aware of that and sat for 5 years screwing the landlord.
What has any of this got to do with the OP?
Some landlords have ruinous mortgages and some have no mortgages at all. Some are multi millionaires and some are almost bankrupt. Either way it’s none of the tenants business and has nothing to do with them.
Five years ago a property was advertised and the OP agreed the rent and has paid since. Screwed the landlord how over the rent? They have paid what the landlord set.0 -
What has any of this got to do with the OP?
Some landlords have ruinous mortgages and some have no mortgages at all. Some are multi millionaires and some are almost bankrupt. Either way it’s none of the tenants business and has nothing to do with them.
Five years ago a property was advertised and the OP agreed the rent and has paid since. Screwed the landlord how over the rent? They have paid what the landlord set.
Actually no they have paid what the government set by restricting what LL's can and can't charge. Thats why LL's are leaving the market in droves because of the ridiculous laws surrounding rent charges and taxes.0 -
What has any of this got to do with the OP?
Some landlords have ruinous mortgages and some have no mortgages at all. Some are multi millionaires and some are almost bankrupt. Either way it’s none of the tenants business and has nothing to do with them.
Five years ago a property was advertised and the OP agreed the rent and has paid since. Screwed the landlord how over the rent? They have paid what the landlord set.
Everyone blames the landlord, they are heartless etcetc etc
This tenant is fully aware of the going rate for rent in area and also the landlord was under financial pressure.... why not help out the landlord? Why not offer to increase rent so you keep the house and landlord gets banks off their back
No they sat while the going was good and now it’s everyone else’s fault...if they had no issue accepting a 90% increase without batting an eye lid they knew exactly what rent they should have been paying
Now refusing to move is just screwing the landlord more.....if word gets out don’t expect anyone to rent to OP, dog or not0 -
Advertisement
-
Market rate is 30% more not 90% according to the OP
So many posts in this forum about non paying tenants ruining a landlord. Now we have a tenant paying for over five years and the tenant is still at fault.0 -
-
Did I say that? Where?
The OP got valid notice and should move on imo. Same as most everyone else here
But to blame the OP for the landlords woes is a joke. The OP paid rent for over five years and the landlord is in trouble with the bank and receivers are involved and now some blame the OP.
Maybe the landlord overextended or is a fool or got in trouble through no fault of their own but none of it is any business of the OP.
Nobody is blaming the OP for the landlords woe's, we're blaming the OP for trying everything they can to disrupt the process and try to aggravate the landlords woe's. Simply refusing to accept they are moving from the house is a culture we seem to have adapted here in Ireland.
I for one would hate the stress of a non-compliant tenant.0 -
and if the landlord wants to sell the property , do you think the tenant should comply or not ?Shefwedfan wrote: »I feel sorry for landlords....you see this week in week out. If the house was rented 5 years ago that was still in recession and the landlord was probably renting below the mortgage rate, tenant was and is aware of that and sat for 5 years screwing the landlord.
What has any of this got to do with the OP?
Some landlords have ruinous mortgages and some have no mortgages at all. Some are multi millionaires and some are almost bankrupt. Either way it’s none of the tenants business and has nothing to do with them.
Five years ago a property was advertised and the OP agreed the rent and has paid since. Screwed the landlord how over the rent? They have paid what the landlord set.0 -
Market rate is 30% more not 90% according to the OP
So many posts in this forum about non paying tenants ruining a landlord. Now we have a tenant paying for over five years and the tenant is still at fault.
Rent increase in 5 years is not 30%.....if they have looked around they will know what the rate is, hence why I guess they took the 90% increase without any gripes0 -
Advertisement
-
It's only the start of November the OP hasn't done anything wrong yet. You'd swear they've been overholding for the last 5 years going by some of the posts.0
-
OP knows full well the game is up but they’re looking for encouragement to overstay their notice.
They’ve had 5 years rent at a 30% discount and been allowed to keep a pet which further devalued the property, yet they want even more.
20 weeks was ample notice to find alternative accommodation.
It goes to show that renting at below market rate does nothing to keep tenants on your side but sets the scene that the LL is a doormat.
I’ve a property coming vacant this month and have been renting substantially below the market. If the property comes back on the market to rent I plan to be the price leader in the area, it’s all the same respect and appreciation from tenants as demonstrated by the terrible attitude of OP here.0 -
Yes.
Any advice please ?
Begin by changing your mindset. Your thread title (don’t want to go) demonstrates that all you’re doing is burying your head in the sand (pleading for extensions instead of actively looking for somewhere to live).
Get some strong cardboard boxes & start packing any non essential items that belong to you. Pack a large suitcase with whatever clothing, footwear, toiletries, medication you’ll need for the next few weeks. Gather passport, drivers licence & other important official documentation & put it all into a small bag/container. Pack everything else up in boxes & label them accordingly.
Leave the filled boxes somewhere that you’ll see them a lot of the time - this will help you realise that this is real & help you focus on what you need to do, as well as highlighting the urgency of your current situation.
Get an A4 pad & start listing all the utility companies/financial institutions/govt bodies that you will need to inform of your change of address. Check to see if you’re in or out of contracts, what notice period you’ll need to give, if services can be transferred to new address etc. About a week before you move out you may want to arrange with An Post to have your mail held in your current sorting office for collection or redirected to an alternative address if you haven’t found somewhere more permanent to live.
Christmas will come & go so it’s pretty pointless using some time in the future as an ‘everything will miraculously fall into place’ false sense of security. You could just as easily have used Halloween for that purpose, but that has come & gone just as Christmas will.
Most people have busy lives but most people find or make the time to ensure that they have somewhere to live, instead of putting off the inevitable, & face up to their current situation. You need to do likewise.
Stop inventing excuses (other tenant’s situations etc) or looking for some sort of loophole. It serves no purpose & doesn’t help you face up to the reality of your own situation.
I can guarantee you that once you face up to what’s happening & start being proactive about your forthcoming move that you’ll feel a lot better, & may also give you the incentive you need to plan for your future.
You’ve wasted a lot of time already - for your own good please don’t waste any more.0 -
Cushie Butterfield wrote: »Yes.
Begin by changing your mindset. Your thread title (don’t want to go) demonstrates that all you’re doing is burying your head in the sand (pleading for extensions instead of actively looking for somewhere to live).
...........
Excellent advice
What I would add to that, start looking at properties that won't accept pets. It might be hard but majority of LL won't accept pets....
You might think it is stupid but it is actually for a number of very good reasons. With the current market you might struggle to find a property if you insist on pets, plenty of other people willing to move into a house without a pet0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »......... you might struggle to find a property if you insist on pets, plenty of other people willing to move into a house without a pet
Some landlords have discovered tenants concealing the fact that the tenants had pets, weeks after entering the property. Sometimes the tenant can successfully hide this fact for months. But they are all eventually found out.0 -
They’ve had 5 years rent at a 30% discount and been allowed to keep a pet which further devalued the property
They have paid the agreed tent, been good tenants and were honest and open with the landlord.
They didn't make the rent control laws. They would rent some where else if they could find a place. This is not of their making. Place the blame where deserved.
7 years of fine Gael telling us it would all be fine to do nothing ,the market will take care of all ,combined with populist measures like rent control. I moved into my house a couple of years ago.rent has increased in my estate by 30% in that time. This is breaching rent controls but tenants aren't in a position to argue.
Good tenants and good landlords are always the ones who suffer with poorly thought out policies0 -
They have paid the agreed tent, been good tenants and were honest and open with the landlord.
They didn't make the rent control laws. They would rent some where else if they could find a place. This is not of their making. Place the blame where deserved.
7 years of fine Gael telling us it would all be fine to do nothing ,the market will take care of all ,combined with populist measures like rent control. I moved into my house a couple of years ago.rent has increased in my estate by 30% in that time. This is breaching rent controls but tenants aren't in a position to argue.
Good tenants and good landlords are always the ones who suffer with poorly thought out policies
Jaysus, now it's Fine Gaels fault.
The gubberment are probably stealing from both tenant and landlord too0 -
It is not the government's fault the op is renting. It's not the government" fault that the op has a dog. It's not the government's fault that the landlord is choosing to sell their property. It is not the government's fault that the op "doesn't want" to move out.
The OP doesn't own the property. Not wanting to move out isn't relevant, being legally obliged to is. They have had the appropriate notice. That's the joy of renting.0 -
OP knows full well the game is up but they’re looking for encouragement to overstay their notice.
They’ve had 5 years rent at a 30% discount and been allowed to keep a pet which further devalued the property, yet they want even more.
20 weeks was ample notice to find alternative accommodation.
It goes to show that renting at below market rate does nothing to keep tenants on your side but sets the scene that the LL is a doormat. .
It goes to show nothing. What’s has it got to do with the op what the landlord decides to rent out their property for , so long as the op pays it?
Should the op have refused to pay the original rent agreement and demanded to pay more?
As far as I have read, op has not once said that they will refuse to move
They are just looking to see if any possibility they could stay a little longer
It appears the answer is a definite no. It looks like the op will move on
Hopefully op and their dog finds somewhere
At this particular moment in time, op is perfectly entitled to still be living in this property.
Some people need to calm down0 -
The tenant wouldn't mind moving out the difficulty is finding somewhere to move to.
That is a direct result of government policies including rent control reducing availability of rental properties as it does in every city it has ever been implemented in.
There are a number of reasons for this
Because tenants who would move in an ordinary market typically stay . They may sublet or rent out on airbnb rather than lose their rent controlled apt.
The building of residential property has been disincentivised with office and student building that aren't subject to rent control and can and are being rented to tourists during the summer.
Rent control has been a disaster in many ways including introducing fear over loss of properties by land lords and potential land lords.
The prtb was understaffed for a number of years and there is no appetite to speed up eviction processes
Besides the removal of bed sits from the market, disposal of nama sites for office building etc etc.
But yeah im sure youre right nothing to do with any of this .0 -
Advertisement
-
Mod Note:
Feel free to start a separate discussion on general housing policy rather than hijacking the OPs thread.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Everyone blames the landlord, they are heartless etcetc etc
This tenant is fully aware of the going rate for rent in area and also the landlord was under financial pressure.... why not help out the landlord? Why not offer to increase rent so you keep the house and landlord gets banks off their back
I've seen enough LLs post here that renting is a business and should be treated as such. Tenants aren't your friend etc. As such, if they want to see it as so then they can't be expecting tenets to do a solid and "help out".
They signed a contract for the price to rent at. The LL has methods and means to up the rent price over the years and its not the fault of the tenant if the LL didn't do that.
Anyway, In this case that's all a side show. The OP needs to leave and knows that's the case.0 -
Cushie Butterfield wrote: »Yes.
Begin by changing your mindset. Your thread title (don’t want to go) demonstrates that all you’re doing is burying your head in the sand (pleading for extensions instead of actively looking for somewhere to live).
Get some strong cardboard boxes & start packing any non essential items that belong to you. Pack a large suitcase with whatever clothing, footwear, toiletries, medication you’ll need for the next few weeks. Gather passport, drivers licence & other important official documentation & put it all into a small bag/container. Pack everything else up in boxes & label them accordingly.
Leave the filled boxes somewhere that you’ll see them a lot of the time - this will help you realise that this is real & help you focus on what you need to do, as well as highlighting the urgency of your current situation.
Get an A4 pad & start listing all the utility companies/financial institutions/govt bodies that you will need to inform of your change of address. Check to see if you’re in or out of contracts, what notice period you’ll need to give, if services can be transferred to new address etc. About a week before you move out you may want to arrange with An Post to have your mail held in your current sorting office for collection or redirected to an alternative address if you haven’t found somewhere more permanent to live.
Christmas will come & go so it’s pretty pointless using some time in the future as an ‘everything will miraculously fall into place’ false sense of security. You could just as easily have used Halloween for that purpose, but that has come & gone just as Christmas will.
Most people have busy lives but most people find or make the time to ensure that they have somewhere to live, instead of putting off the inevitable, & face up to their current situation. You need to do likewise.
Stop inventing excuses (other tenant’s situations etc) or looking for some sort of loophole. It serves no purpose & doesn’t help you face up to the reality of your own situation.
I can guarantee you that once you face up to what’s happening & start being proactive about your forthcoming move that you’ll feel a lot better, & may also give you the incentive you need to plan for your future.
You’ve wasted a lot of time already - for your own good please don’t waste any more.
Hi all op here, sorry have been working like a dog ( pun intended ) for the last few days at my day job. So I'm not going to have time to reply to everyone and have skimmed through posts.
I'd like to take everyone for their take on things even though some may not be to my liking etc.
But I felt I needed to quote the above response, because frankly i have spent the last 5 months looking for a property...
i posted last week due to my utter frustration with the situation. have i regretted posting, yes, yes i have.
As this is a very small country i have deliberately left a lot of pertinent details but i am going to summarise a few points.
1, we have been continually looking since the summer , we asked for an extension as house belonging to family comes available in the new year
2, not only have we been refused houses on the basis of a geriatric miniature dog but we have also been refused viewings on the basis that some landlords didn't want a teenager in their house
3. a standard 3 bed semi or terraced house wont work for us due to my work equipment, i have also have a work van which is large and one landlady had an issue with same, " the neighbours mightn't like it"
4. we have looked at houses up to an hour from where are currently living, we have looked at paying double what we are paying now and still got nowhere.
5. its not that we don't want to move, its that we have no where to move too... we have asked re purchasing the house we are in as we are being promised its going to market - but only getting sketchy responses and no asking price etc... so in a sense not fully taking the agency at face value.
6. i would not have an issue with the landlord selling the house, but he is currently in receivership, what i have an issue is that we have paid our rent, we are extremely good tenants, we have never asked for one thing from landlord while we have been here.
we asked the property company since they took over to replace a broken appliance last year and never heard back.... we are five and a half nearly 6 years here, I'm not threatening to stay on - my gut is telling me they want us out to up the rent and receiving a notice of a rent review that doesn't come in to affect until after we will have vacated makes me even more convinced.
We had no issue with paying the increase, we had never been asked for a higher rent before if we had we would have agreed.
Maybe I'm wrong but in the current market i feel its completely onesided toward the landlord or bank etc, yes there are bad tenants and their houses that lose money ours wasn't one of them, i know the mortgage balance and duration on house etc but i know its the landlords other business's that have brought the lot down and that is very sickening...
Also and i know i will be torn to shreds for saying this but its for easier for one working parent and a child to get a house and have it paid for them unlike the rest of us that are working and breaking our backs.
a lady i worked with last yr was earning 30k after tax , medical card, childrens allowance, maintenance of 50 per wk and was still getting 900 and odd hap a mth ... its kinda no wonder rental prices keep going up is it...
So that's my peace said, im sorry for the landlords that have had bad tenants, im sorry for the people that are renting out house to pay bills and afraid they wont get tenants out but i work very damn hard and i cant get another house to move into... and im very fed up and if that makes me seem like i feel entitled, hard done by or that my head is somewhere that it shouldn't be then so be it
and i aint getting rid of the poor dog - should i do the same for the landlady that didn't want a teenager ?????0 -
So what are your plans for eviction day OP?0
-
splinter65 wrote: »So what are your plans for eviction day OP?
i'm wondering will they the send the garda eviction squad... should make a good day out...
no seriously we will be gone, problem is we have no where to go as its stands...
i've even been selling off a lot of furniture etc so we have less to store, im in daily contact with local letting agents and living on daft but nothing thus far.
funny thing ive seen is some house have been on 2 or 3 times in that period so maybe their are worse tenants than us0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »I feel sorry for landlords....you see this week in week out. If the house was rented 5 years ago that was still in recession and the landlord was probably renting below the mortgage rate, tenant was and is aware of that and sat for 5 years screwing the landlord.
The rent would probably be double now but landlord now has to sell and kindly gives plenty of notice to tenant. Tenant sits on ass for 4 months and now wants to stay because it doesn’t suit them. Don’t get me started on the dog which has probably ruined every bit of furniture and carpet in the house....
In regards to the other houses, agents will put up below value to get people in the door. Also has nothing to do with you unless your buying them. They will sell at market value
So my advice, get up and move out. Minus the dog if you can’t get a house for pets, everyone is busy so that’s no excuse .....maybe help the landlord for once because you certainly haven’t for the last 5 years
I have to take exception to all of the above, other houses sold for asking, and its unfurnished house and not an once of damage from the dog, the corgi's do more in Windsor. we had landlords permission for pets before moving in etc
people are so quick to make assumptions....0 -
i'm wondering will they the send the garda eviction squad... should make a good day out...
no seriously we will be gone, problem is we have no where to go as its stands...
i've even been selling off a lot of furniture etc so we have less to store, im in daily contact with local letting agents and living on daft but nothing thus far.
funny thing ive seen is some house have been on 2 or 3 times in that period so maybe their are worse tenants than us
I don’t believe you’ve been bad tenants at all. I imagine you’ve been very good tenants.
I’m getting the feeling that you’re actually quite a sensitive soul, kind and sympathetic, and the main problem is that you’re taking this “eviction” personally (just a little bit?) instead of what it actually is, a legal contract being brought, quite legally, to it’s end.
To you, this is your home, 5 1/2 years, christmases birthdays good days bad days, cold nights, sunny summer days, you took it all for granted really, never expecting to be turned out like this with no apology and no discussion no negotiations no compromise....
But it’s not your property. When you buy your own property then you can’t be removed but until then, renting means the owner of the house can decide when you leave.
Concentrate now on having a roof and a bed for your teenager and your elderly dog. Stop the nonsense about Garda eviction squads.
You need to be able to give this crowd as a reference. Don’t spoil it now at the last minute by having a pointless tantrum which will only damage you.
Good luck op.0 -
splinter65 wrote: »I don’t believe you’ve been bad tenants at all. I imagine you’ve been very good tenants.
I’m getting the feeling that you’re actually quite a sensitive soul, kind and sympathetic, and the main problem is that you’re taking this “eviction” personally (just a little bit?) instead of what it actually is, a legal contract being brought, quite legally, to it’s end.
To you, this is your home, 5 1/2 years, christmases birthdays good days bad days, cold nights, sunny summer days, you took it all for granted really, never expecting to be turned out like this with no apology and no discussion no negotiations no compromise....
But it’s not your property. When you buy your own property then you can’t be removed but until then, renting means the owner of the house can decide when you leave.
Concentrate now on having a roof and a bed for your teenager and your elderly dog. Stop the nonsense about Garda eviction squads.
You need to be able to give this crowd as a reference. Don’t spoil it now at the last minute by having a pointless tantrum which will only damage you.
Good luck op.
No tantrum intended and was obviously joking about garda eviction squad0 -
hi OP. I don't have any legal knowledge but I just wanted to say I am sorry that you have found yourself in this position. I was in the same situation myself and found it *incredibly* stressful as I am in a RPZ.
I was given my notice and stayed longer on a month by month basis as it suited the landlord get rent and I couldn't find anywhere to live.
I can not stress how stressful I found it living in a house that is for sale while renting as I had no choice to stay on extended notice. From the moment that for sale sign is put up it felt like it was not my home anymore, the landlord will come and go as he pleases, call over unannounced , estate agents will put pressure on you for viewings, crowds of people will be walking through your house and you will have to have it immaculate for each viewing out of fear of being told its not tidy enough.
I was told that it would be a number of months before house was sold which gave me some breathing space however something was said to a potential buyer about a structural issue with the house and I felt that I was the scapegoat . When sale agreed came through I was put under huge pressure to then vacate the house with shorter notice than a month and found this *incredibly* stressful.
If I had the opportunity I would try source somewhere so this doesn't happen to you if you can...... I really empathise with your situation and wish you the best of luck0 -
Advertisement
-
Sheepdish1 wrote: »hi OP. I don't have any legal knowledge but I just wanted to say I am sorry that you have found yourself in this position. I was in the same situation myself and found it *incredibly* stressful as I am in a RPZ.
I was given my notice and stayed longer on a month by month basis as it suited the landlord get rent and I couldn't find anywhere to live.
I can not stress how stressful I found it living in a house that is for sale while renting as I had no choice to stay on extended notice. From the moment that for sale sign is put up it felt like it was not my home anymore, the landlord will come and go as he pleases, call over unannounced , estate agents will put pressure on you for viewings, crowds of people will be walking through your house and you will have to have it immaculate for each viewing out of fear of being told its not tidy enough.
I was told that it would be a number of months before house was sold which gave me some breathing space however something was said to a potential buyer about a structural issue with the house and I felt that I was the scapegoat . When sale agreed came through I was put under huge pressure to then vacate the house with shorter notice than a month and found this *incredibly* stressful.
If I had the opportunity I would try source somewhere so this doesn't happen to you if you can...... I really empathise with your situation and wish you the best of luck
thanks for your message, we have a lot going on from a family point of view aside form this, so this is hugely taking its toll. we are not being given the option of staying whilst house on sale which i find unfair but given the strength of the market at the minute it would sell very quickly etc
we would love to be gone and have it over and done with it - cos the stress is palpable to be fair.
hope you got sorted in the end0
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement