social housing in upmarket estate

STB.

mariaalice wrote: »

What every about your situation it is a fact that housing associations are well run and do deal with issuer quicker, that does not mean that some are not well handled. The poster tried to imply there is widespread organised avoidance of the social housing provision.

Thats not what he/she said. Go back and have a look.


Your statement about well run housing associations is nonsense. Tell that to the directors of management companies who have had to deal with complaints from residents and in turn deal with these so called well run housing organisations. I can tell you first hand they dont give a hoot.

mariaalice

STB. wrote: »

Thats not what he/she said. Go back and have a look.


Your statement about well run housing associations is nonsense. Tell that to the directors of management companies who have had to deal with complaints from residents and in turn deal with these so called well run housing organisations. I can tell you first hand they dont give a hoot.

Your right, the poster was just using a snide stereotype to make a point


"Well not exactly. Estates in upmarket parts of Dublin have a remarkable habit of escaping the Part V obligations. Thats where the quango heads/smoked salmon Socialists who advocate mixed housing tend to reside".

Ronaldinho

pgj2015 wrote: »

hi, I am looking to buy a house in a fairly upmarket estate. what im wondering is, do any of you know any cases where the council have bought a house in such an estate and let them to people on rent allowance?

Have you a specific house in mind? No harm in going out to the area every day or couple of days at differing times if you are seriously interested. Get a feel for what it's like.

As an aside, I think some people need to get off their high horse. For most buying a house is the biggest financial decision of their life and you don't want to **** that up by, for example, having the quality of you and your family's life being wrecked by problem neighbours. We can all chime in about how likely or not that is to happen based on personal experience but doing due diligence on a hundred of thousands of € purchase is the sensible thing to do.

mariaalice

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Have you a specific house in mind? No harm in going out to the area every day or couple of days at differing times if you are seriously interested. Get a feel for what it's like.

As an aside, I think some people need to get off their high horse. For most buying a house is the biggest financial decision of their life and you don't want to **** that up by, for example, having the quality of you and your family's life being wrecked by problem neighbours. We can all chime in about how likely or not that is to happen based on personal experience but doing due diligence on a hundred of thousands of € purchase is the sensible thing to do.

You are correct, but its the stereotyping of everyone in social housing that is irritating.

L1011

Skelp wrote: »

Not quite sure what the relevance of the number of posts I have on boards has to do with that fact.

Do you really genuinely believe that Councils don't do deals with developers to swap land/cash to ensure there is no social housing in the wealthiest parts of Dublin. This has been going on for the last 15 years. I didn't think there was anyone in the country that didn't know that was a fact.

The rules have been significantly tightened and the council may refuse a swap entirely if they want

power pants

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Yeah I notice how well dressed and tanned the kids are up in Darndale.

I don't think you have actually interacted with social housing tenants given your description.

I have.

Eric Cartman

Skelp wrote: »

Well not exactly. Estates in upmarket parts of Dublin have a remarkable habit of escaping the Part V obligations. Thats where the quango heads/smoked salmon Socialists who advocate mixed housing tend to reside.

+1 , Ive noticed that anyone advocating for more social housing doesn't live within 1km of it.

Eric Cartman

Col_30 wrote: »

Should social housing only be allowed in less desirable areas? Maybe list them to help people out.

Yes.

But also what do you think makes those areas become less desirable in the first place ?

Social and affordable housing should be next to each other, that makes sense, but its a complete kick in the face to somebody spending 650k+ on a house to have the neighbours handed the same thing for 30 quid a week.

It's disgusting the way some posters on here seem to think that council tenants are like ****e on their shoes.
Jesus, why do people think no one in council houses work?
It's clear to me that the majority of posters here have never even stood in a council estate, definitely wouldn't ever speak to a person living in a council house.

It's unbelievable that people actually think like that.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Yes.

But also what do you think makes those areas become less desirable in the first place ?

Social and affordable housing should be next to each other, that makes sense, but its a complete kick in the face to somebody spending 650k+ on a house to have the neighbours handed the same thing for 30 quid a week.

No it's not.
The person that bought their house, owns it. It is there's to do whatever they want with it. It's an asset for them.

The council tenant is just that, a tenant. So what if it costs 30 Euro a week, they will never own it, it will never be theirs.

Eric Cartman

bubblypop wrote: »

It's disgusting the way some posters on here seem to think that council tenants are like ****e on their shoes.
Jesus, why do people think no one in council houses work?
It's clear to me that the majority of posters here have never even stood in a council estate, definitely wouldn't ever speak to a person living in a council house.

It's unbelievable that people actually think like that.

If you have an estate with detached 4 and 5 bed homes costing 600+ grand in private ownership , the chances of your neighbours being antisocial layabouts with drink or drug problems or up at all hours on the weekday blaring music and not looking after the outside aesthetic of that house / cutting the grass etc.... are very low, like single digit percentage low.

When you introduce social housing into the mix you might be very lucky and get a working couple who are just below an income threshold who still appreciate the good fortune they had, you might get a little less lucky and have a single mother with a load of kids who just doesn't have the time or resources to keep the house looking well but is quiet and the kids well behaved, or you could get unlucky and get a criminal family, a mother who doesn't care who lets her kids run riot , drug addicts, alcos, people that Peter Casey doesn't like, so not only do you have to live next to that hell , your house has probably had 50k knocked off the asking for the privilege.

no social housing = <10% chance of nightmare neighbours
social housing = complete tossup between good, under resourced or nightmare.

Eric Cartman

bubblypop wrote: »

No it's not.
The person that bought their house, owns it. It is there's to do whatever they want with it. It's an asset for them.

The council tenant is just that, a tenant. So what if it costs 30 Euro a week, they will never own it, it will never be theirs.

If you had the option to buy a house for 650k or get to live in the same house and have all your maintenance done on it for the rest of your life for 30 quid a week, what would you pick ?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If you had the option to buy a house for 650k or get to live in the same house and have all your maintenance done on it for the rest of your life for 30 quid a week, what would you pick ?

Well, considering it's not that easy to get 'all the maintenance done ' !
I would prefer to own my own house.
I couldn't care less what anyone else paid for their house in the same estate or even if they pay 30 Euro a week.
It doesn't affect me at all.

fussyonion

Jesus, I never realised the amount of snobs on here.

L1011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

+1 , Ive noticed that anyone advocating for more social housing doesn't live within 1km of it.

I challenge you to find me a housing estate of more than 10 units that is not within 1km of social housing within the GDA. There may be some, but I doubt it.

Eric Cartman

L1011 wrote: »

I challenge you to find me a housing estate of more than 10 units that is not within 1km of social housing within the GDA. There may be some, but I doubt it.

Well I never specified estates, I know thats the topic of conversation but I just said the likes of Paul Murphy (Goatstown) Clare Daly (Malahide) didn't grow up around social tenants at all, although ill have a look, I'm now interested to see.

Viscount Aggro

All it takes is a few bad families to tarnish an estate.
Ive had experience with this sort of scum.
Going to the guards is useless, once they single you out for special treatment.
Only thing they understand is, having their head taken clean off their shoulders.

L1011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well I never specified estates, I know thats the topic of conversation but I just said the likes of Paul Murphy (Goatstown) Clare Daly (Malahide) didn't grow up around social tenants at all, although ill have a look, I'm now interested to see.

I'd guess that the majority of people advocating for more social housing live in an estate, though. The majority of the country do (look at urban vs rural population percentages) and I don't think the sole advocates for more social housing are farmers and those living in one-offs!

Markcheese

Elessar wrote: »

Prepare to have social housing in every new estate built from 2018 on. 10-30% of housing being built anywhere will now be for social tenants. Builders can't buy themselves out of it anymore. So us, our children and their children will have to play the 'social tenant lottery' where they could potentially be terrorised by the councils finest in their own estate (locations of social housing will not be indicated to purchasers). Expect prices of housing in estates with no social housing to explode.

Thanks Fine Gael.

I feel your pain... Council house Tennants? The shame of it...
Everybody plays neighbour lottery Wether your a farmer in the sticks or someone living in a council estate... You don't know who ll move in, could even be someone from a foreign country...

Iamlegend24

Col_30 wrote: »

Should social housing only be allowed in less desirable areas? Maybe list them to help people out.

Yes ! It's not fair saving for years to buy a house and have a lazy arse next door.

pgj2015

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Have you a specific house in mind? No harm in going out to the area every day or couple of days at differing times if you are seriously interested. Get a feel for what it's like.

As an aside, I think some people need to get off their high horse. For most buying a house is the biggest financial decision of their life and you don't want to **** that up by, for example, having the quality of you and your family's life being wrecked by problem neighbours. We can all chime in about how likely or not that is to happen based on personal experience but doing due diligence on a hundred of thousands of € purchase is the sensible thing to do.

yes i have a specific estate in mind. I know it is a quiet very well kept estate, as far as i know it seems to be occupied by professionals, solicitors, business owners etc. i have been told by people living there that its a lovely place to live.

The only thing im cautious about is i don't want some troublesome neighbour making life unbearable because the council decide to house them next to me.
As you say I will be parting with a large amount of money so I have to be careful before i purchase. maybe i might be better off buying a site and building on it or buying a one off house in the country, I have no interest or time for fighting with neighbours, im a private person and so any hassle with neighbours would be a nightmare for me.

L1011

pgj2015 wrote: »

maybe i might be better off buying a site and building on it or buying a one off house in the country, I have no interest or time for fighting with neighbours, im a private person and so any hassle with neighbours would be a nightmare for me.

If you want to avoid neighbours from hell, living in the country is not the thing for you. Resented as an outsider, resented for buying a specific site, inadvertently pissing off the neighbouring farmer, etc etc.

The court case earlier in the week was a rather extreme outcome of a problematic neighbour situation but its far from rare. You really do end up knowing your neighbours in a rural area but in a town its possible to normally possible to be completely incognito to the point that you may as well not be there; particularly in an apartment.

pgj2015

L1011 wrote: »

If you want to avoid neighbours from hell, living in the country is not the thing for you. Resented as an outsider, resented for buying a specific site, inadvertently pissing off the neighbouring farmer, etc etc.

The court case earlier in the week was a rather extreme outcome of a problematic neighbour situation but its far from rare. You really do end up knowing your neighbours in a rural area but in a town its possible to normally possible to be completely incognito to the point that you may as well not be there; particularly in an apartment.

im from the country, have lived in the area my whole life.

L1011

pgj2015 wrote: »

im from the country, have lived in the area my whole life.

Which absolutely does not prevent a neighbour from hell situation happening, it only removes one potential cause and realistically adds even more.

If I had to pick somewhere to live privately and undisturbed, a one off would be stone bottom of the list.

pgj2015

L1011 wrote: »

Which absolutely does not prevent a neighbour from hell situation happening, it only removes one potential cause and realistically adds even more.

If I had to pick somewhere to live privately and undisturbed, a one off would be stone bottom of the list.

i see what you are saying, an estate might be better for someone who doesn't really want to have much to do with the neighbours, where as if you were in the country and you had 1 neighbour, he/she might be crazy and plague you visiting or hate you for some reason:)

hmmm

Yes if you buy in an "upmarket" estate you may find that the developer has met their social housing obligations elsewhere.

No you should not be ashamed for choosing to house your family in an area where you don't have to take part in the anti-social housing lottery.

The only snobs I can see on this thread are the ones that are denying the very real problems people who lose the social housing lottery experience, when their lives, personal safety and financial security is ruined by a feral family moving in next door. It's disgraceful the way we allow small numbers of people wreck entire estates full of working people who have paid for their own homes and are contributing to society, and the way we have their supporters choosing to deny this.

bleary

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well I never specified estates, I know thats the topic of conversation but I just said the likes of Paul Murphy (Goatstown) Clare Daly (Malahide) didn't grow up around social tenants at all, although ill have a look, I'm now interested to see.

Clare daly is from newbridge. So she is hardly from the manor born. Her dad was in the army there.

bleary

Iamlegend24 wrote: »

Yes ! It's not fair saving for years to buy a house and have a lazy arse next door.

Yeah I know a few people given houses and sites by their parents, they are lazy as hell. Can't really see how that affects my enjoyment of my home as long as they keep to themselves, the privileged buggers

mariaalice

bleary wrote: »

Clare daly is from newbridge. So she is hardly from the manor born. Her dad was in the army there.

It not about reality its a stereotype of who they perceive as socialist or something.

Antisocial behavior should be dealt with by the law and if that is not working the law needs to be changed to support law-abiding citizens.

4ensic15

bleary wrote: »

Clare daly is from newbridge. So she is hardly from the manor born. Her dad was in the army there.

Clare Daly's father was a Colonel in the army and children of army officers in the Curragh were generally kept apart from the children of soldiers as much as possible.