Sinead O'Connor does a Cat Stevens

Its more about a lack of empathy or understanding (or willingness to understand) than anything else. Why anyone would want to dismiss someones suffering is a mystery, but there you go.

SEPT 23 1989

The problem is that when you are given a gift you are also given the self destruct button that your finger hovers over

But that's the deal and without it we would have no art or music

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Oh I do recognise it is incurable but it not untreatable with a little common sense applied. I know BiPolar people and very few people that come in contact with them know they have it. These people take medication, take no recreational drugs or alcohol and live an outwardly normal life. Ms. Davitt insists on venting her condition to the media.

Really? Show me where she "vented" it in the article in question.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

Really? Show me where she "vented" it in the article in question.

Not that old chestnut again? You put something on social media, you are fair game for the mass media. Catherine Zeta Jones is prime example mental health done right. She isnt fodder for the tabloids when they are having a slow week. Its a "management" issue. I am sure Catherine Zeta Jones had her ups and her downs but you are unlikely to find out about them.

skooterblue2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The problem is that when you are given a gift you are also given the self destruct button that your finger hovers over

But that's the deal and without it we would have no art or music

That is so true, Loads of Artists and musicians come out at night and are highly creative and given these genius gifts and have a high capacity for work with incredible burnout rates. Its really knowing about when to stop and rest and how management view "assets". Good managers value their clients and protect them from this sort crap.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Did you ever see a dog refuse steak? Media hoover that stuff up and repackage it. Slow week at the press office? Lets see what the Z list Celebs are doing and repackage it as front page news to distract from some TD's nephews who have gone on some benders.
There is no discretion or morals in Journalism

We're not arguing about morals in journalism. We're arguing about whether a tweet is a phone call. It's not.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

...... that they dont take time out to get help!!! Even Louise ONeill, stops work to take time off social media. I know some great hard working people with mental health problems and they drop out of society about 2 weeks every quarter to give themselves a break, call in a few days off work, turn off the phone, walk on the beach ....... a week later they are back at work as if they never left.

Do you think it might be possible that the people that you know who take two weeks out have different levels of different conditions to Sinead?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That Ms. Shuhada Davitt should not be courting the media using Social Media and then being burnt out and claiming being hounded by the Media later. This happens every so often, last year she was missing for two weeks around Florida. This happens every time like clock work

When did she complain about being hounded by the media?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The part where she doesnt get help. The part where someone responsible doesnt intervene. The Part when she realises this is coming on and doesnt shut down for a month. Its not like there isnt money there or a lack of trained professional there to make it possible.

Anyone I know who follows those guidelines their disability barely gets noticed. They collect their end of quarter bonus and there is a plan left for the team at work so no one loses out on the team work bonus. A week off is disguised as "think in" at a spa retreat with a Kaizen sub team and only the team leader and HR knows about it. That is how you manage a "debilitating mental health problem, with a highly talented team leader in a high skill technical industry". It happens more often than you think.

Do you think it might be possible that the people that you know who take two weeks out have different levels of different conditions to Sinead?


And from some of her previous rants, money is very much an issue.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

We're not arguing about morals in journalism. We're arguing about whether a tweet is a phone call. It's not.



Do you think it might be possible that the people that you know who take two weeks out have different levels of different conditions to Sinead?



When did she complain about being hounded by the media?

Do you think it might be possible that the people that you know who take two weeks out have different levels of different conditions to Sinead?


And from some of her previous rants, money is very much an issue.

I would say both courses of action has had the same end result. "You wanted Media attention? .....you got it".

I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist for that matter. So I cannot professionally compare and contrast the two objectively but I can say the client I know are almost on the verge of being burned when they seek treatment.

I never said money wasnt an issue. Money is always an issue. Its not like Sinead is short of a few bob with baby daddy who is a millionaire and royalties from her music career. I would say Sinead O Connor would have more access to wealth than these people I know. Everyone and their mother knows that sucessful mental health treatment is ALL about money. Any meeting with a psychologist is going to set you back €350-500. You dont want to be left in the hands of the HSE do you?

When did she complain about the media? When didnt she complain about the Media? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/sep/25/religion.artsnews
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/sinead-oconnor-in-rage-over-lice-attack-6974088.html
http://www.sinead-oconnor.com/home/index.php/articles/141-sineads-full-page-advertisement-in-the-national-press

Good medical treatment isnt cheap, cheap medical treatment isnt good. I never suggested other wise

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I would say both courses of action has had the same end result. "You wanted Media attention? .....you got it".

They may well have had the same end result in this particular case. They're still not the same thing.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

When did she complain about the media? When didnt she complain about the Media? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/sep/25/religion.artsnews
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/sinead-oconnor-in-rage-over-lice-attack-6974088.html
http://www.sinead-oconnor.com/home/index.php/articles/141-sineads-full-page-advertisement-in-the-national-press

So she did it once in 2004, in the days before Twitter. Got it.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They may well have had the same end result in this particular case. They're still not the same thing.



So she did it once in 2004, in the days before Twitter. Got it.

If you got the bus or the train to Cork and arrived before your appointment, does anyone really question how you got there?

She uses the media to stay relevant. Most musician who had their day fade into the background and realise they had their day, they made great music and money and reinvent themselves in new careers, some more successfully than others. Ms. Davitt has done the opposite, with a one hit wonder, scorching anyone who gets close to her and being fodder for the tabloids. I would say there are people who would pay big money to deny that they ever met her. She is a Liability to be around. I myself have never met the lady in question but I know people who have known her in school (none who are media or famous) and they said it wasnt that she had PTSD, she was always that way and an incredibly nasty person. Sure she was expelled from all 7 schools in Waterford and that is some achievement.

ChikiChiki

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is so true, Loads of Artists and musicians come out at night and are highly creative and given these genius gifts and have a high capacity for work with incredible burnout rates. Its really knowing about when to stop and rest and how management view "assets". Good managers value their clients and protect them from this sort crap.

Avicii is a good example of this. Even when he was hospitalised in Oz his management still wanted him to play. Sadly, didn't end too well for him.

skooterblue2

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Avicii is a good example of this. Even when he was hospitalised in Oz his management still wanted him to play. Sadly, didn't end too well for him.

Different Story with Kylie Minogue, when she got cancer her agent cancelled Glastonbury and all future events for about 2 years. That is not actions of an agent but a true friend. Jade Goodys agent thought it would be great TV if they announced on TV that Jade had cancer 6 weeks later.

Zorya

https://twitter.com/GuiltyWhiteBoi/status/1056635991455420419


I like Sinead. I generally like her work - as is normal most of the work is passable and then there are the extraordinary pieces which cement her place in musical history. Have liked her since I was young. Met her once, she was rude, awkward, aloof, but tormented looking so I forgave her. I guess I felt an empathy for her all along. We are of the same generation and have both seen and been through some sh!t in our time, but she did it in the public gaze, which must have been utterly crippling. I stopped following her on any social media a couple of years ago as she was breaking my heart with her public disintegration.
I watched her singing in the Tweet above however, and I thought it was a bit embarrassing, she is taking up so much of the people's time with exaggerated inflection and phrasing, who has time for that, she is acting like she is centre stage in a big concert, hogging all the oxygen. If she wants to be religious - and I have sympathy for religious people, having a non-aligned mtaphysical inclination myself - she could do it quietly and privately where it would mean so much more and be so much more productive. I hate to see her throw herself at the mercy of the public gaze again and again.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If you got the bus or the train to Cork and arrived before your appointment, does anyone really question how you got there?

If you got the bus, and someone said that you got the train, they would be wrong.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you got the bus, and someone said that you got the train, they would be wrong.

Nobody really cares ................

skooterblue2

Zorya wrote: »

I watched her singing in the Tweet above however, and I thought it was a bit embarrassing, she is taking up so much of the people's time with exaggerated inflection and phrasing, who has time for that, she is acting like she is centre stage in a big concert, hogging all the oxygen. If she wants to be religious - and I have sympathy for religious people, having a non-aligned mtaphysical inclination myself - she could do it quietly and privately where it would mean so much more and be so much more productive. I hate to see her throw herself at the mercy of the public gaze again and again.

I am just going to be amazed how the Prophet Mo' is going to be able to deal with being a backing vocal to our new priestess Sinead/Suhada/Baron Von Krispy Kreme or what ever incarnation she is going to be next week. If she denounces Islam..... there will be consequences and repercussions. Heck Bono wont be able to hide here in the Gazebo.

Zorya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I am just going to be amazed how the Prophet Mo' is going to be able to deal with being a backing vocal to our new priestess Sinead/Suhada/Baron Von Krispy Kreme or what ever incarnation she is going to be next week. If she denounces Islam..... there will be consequences and repercussions. Heck Bono wont be able to hide here in the Gazebo.

But if she wears a Niqāb, she should be able to hide herself

Macdarack

What a goul, keep your crap private life private.

skooterblue2

Zorya wrote: »

But if she wears a Niqāb, she should be able to hide herself

She couldnt keep quiet to save herself. They will have a fatwa on her ass before Christmas.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Nobody really cares ................

I care that you made up a bit about her phoning the newspapers - which was wrong.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I care that you made up a bit about her phoning the newspapers - which was wrong.

Its not like she hasnt done it before..... and what are you going to do about it?

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its not like she hasnt done it before..... and what are you going to do about it?

But she didn't do it this time. So you just made it up.


Could you really not find enough things in what she actually did to have a go at without making stuff up?

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not that old chestnut again? You put something on social media, you are fair game for the mass media. Catherine Zeta Jones is prime example mental health done right. She isnt fodder for the tabloids when they are having a slow week. Its a "management" issue. I am sure Catherine Zeta Jones had her ups and her downs but you are unlikely to find out about them.

No, you stated

Ms. Davitt insists on venting her condition to the media.

Show where she did so here.

Hector Savage

Zorya wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GuiltyWhiteBoi/status/1056635991455420419


I like Sinead. I generally like her work - as is normal most of the work is passable and then there are the extraordinary pieces which cement her place in musical history. Have liked her since I was young. Met her once, she was rude, awkward, aloof, but tormented looking so I forgave her. I guess I felt an empathy for her all along. We are of the same generation and have both seen and been through some sh!t in our time, but she did it in the public gaze, which must have been utterly crippling. I stopped following her on any social media a couple of years ago as she was breaking my heart with her public disintegration.
I watched her singing in the Tweet above however, and I thought it was a bit embarrassing, she is taking up so much of the people's time with exaggerated inflection and phrasing, who has time for that, she is acting like she is centre stage in a big concert, hogging all the oxygen. If she wants to be religious - and I have sympathy for religious people, having a non-aligned mtaphysical inclination myself - she could do it quietly and privately where it would mean so much more and be so much more productive. I hate to see her throw herself at the mercy of the public gaze again and again.

I was wondering was that twitter account for real ....

https://twitter.com/GuiltyWhiteBoi/status/1034911799420874757

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But she didn't do it this time. So you just made it up.

But she has done it in the past, there is a precedence there to court the media. She is addicted to the media attention. Until you have actually dealt with someone like her you should count your blessings.

Here is a thought : You can tell them all down SJW club how I am abusing my white privillege using toxic masculinity. That will show me proper

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

But she has done it in the past, there is a precedence there to court the media. She is addicted to the media attention. Until you have actually dealt with someone like her you should count your blessings.

Yeah, she has done it in the past, But she hasn't done it this time, so you made that up.


You crapped your pants in the past. Is it OK with you if I tell folks that you crapped your pants today?

yosser hughes

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I care that you made up a bit about her phoning the newspapers - which was wrong.

How do you know she didn't call the newspapers?

Hector Savage

I don't think she'll be having any meltdowns against Islam like she did against the Catholic church - she is crazy, but not that crazy where she wouldn't realise the ****storm that would create.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

But she has done it in the past, there is a precedence there to court the media. She is addicted to the media attention. Until you have actually dealt with someone like her you should count your blessings.

Here is a thought : You can tell them all down SJW club how I am abusing my white privillege using toxic masculinity. That will show me proper

You're here sneering at somebody with an incurable condition. It doesn't get much lower than that.

AndrewJRenko

yosser hughes wrote: »

How do you know she didn't call the newspapers?

Is that how public debate works now? We just make up stuff and let the other person deny it?

skooterblue2

And Pakistan is also a progressive nation according to Socially Aware Stevxn.

Zorya

skooterblue2 wrote: »

And Pakistan is also a progressive nation according to Socially Aware Stevxn.

It is an amusing parody account. Satire.

skooterblue2

Hector Savage wrote: »

I don't think she'll be having any meltdowns against Islam like she did against the Catholic church - she is crazy, but not that crazy where she wouldn't realise the ****storm that would create.

I will take that bet. look at the pattern on which it is based. She has turned on anyone she has come into contact with. Managers songwriters, lawyers, accountants, former lovers......She leaves scorched earth everywhere she has been. I have seen her kind before.....they have the lawyers on speed dial.

Wanderer2010

Odious little attention seeker who makes a joke of people who are really suicidal or depressed. She has been telling the newspapers she is suicidal for the last 18 years, why on earth does she feel the need to share that with the media instead of keeping such a private issue just that -private.
Could it be, and its a long shot i know, that she simply loves getting media attention whilst crying about all her alleged mental health issues. Just fcuk off back to obscurity and accept you are not famous anymore. People like her make me sick, just when we make a few steps forward in terms of accepting mental health we have narcissist like her who suddenly perk up and lose all mental health problems when she can sniff a camera in the room.

AndrewJRenko

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Odious little attention seeker who makes a joke of people who are really suicidal or depressed. She has been telling the newspapers she is suicidal for the last 18 years, why on earth does she feel the need to share that with the media instead of keeping such a private issue just that -private.

Why do you get to decide what is 'private' for her? I wouldn't do what she does, but if she wants to share her mental health issues with anyone who will listen, that is her choice.

Wanderer2010

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why do you get to decide what is 'private' for her? I wouldn't do what she does, but if she wants to share her mental health issues with anyone who will listen, that is her choice.

She is trivialising the whole issue of reaching out for help by saying the same things over and over again when its clear she has no intention of trying to get better. Shes addicted to having mental health problems rather than taking positive action to overcome it. One such way would be to avoid all social media and the often nasty side to it, but she wont do that because like all attention seekers she wants to know whats being written about her. I equally blame the media here, why the fcuk would any right minded person CARE what SOC is up to these days, they shouldn't even be giving her this oxygen. :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

She is trivialising the whole issue of reaching out for help by saying the same things over and over again when its clear she has no intention of trying to get better. Shes addicted to having mental health problems rather than taking positive action to overcome it. One such way would be to avoid all social media and the often nasty side to it, but she wont do that because like all attention seekers she wants to know whats being written about her.

Is this an expert diagnosis from a psychiatrist or psychologist? Because if not, stating that someone is 'addicted' to having problems and has 'no intention' to get better seems a little bit of overreach from an amateur with no direct contact with the person and no professional experience.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

why the fcuk would any right minded person CARE what SOC is up to these days, they shouldn't even be giving her this oxygen.

She just posted it on Twitter. It's not compulsory to read it or respond to it.

Wanderer2010

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is this an expert diagnosis from a psychiatrist or psychologist? Because if not, stating that someone is 'addicted' to having problems and has 'no intention' to get better seems a little bit of overreach from an amateur with no direct contact with the person and no professional experience.





She just posted it on Twitter. It's not compulsory to read it or respond to it.

No its not a diagnosis, its an observation from a person who sees another person telling the media and social media for years and years that she suffers from mental health problems. One of the first things you are supposed to do when you have these issues is detox from social media and get a clear head but she loves attention too much to do that. Without her crying about mental health, what is she? Who exactly is SOC these days? Its a shame shes too busy screaming at the world about her problems to find out.

You got to love the internet, with it's posters who have no hesitation in claiming to know the innermost thoughts and intentions of a person they've never met, who suffers from an illness they clearly don't understand the diversity of, and who advise others to avoid caring about, while caring enough themselves to lambast them on a discussion forum, in a thread where they're mentioned in the title, and that is spectacularly easy to avoid reading if one is truly disinterested in the person mentioned.

Zorya

Still though if she regularly does the Salat in the local Mosque she's going to be the Islamic equivalent of the dreaded priest who does the long mass. The kids will be raging. :pac:

Zorya

Zorya wrote: »

Still though if she regularly does the Salat in the local Mosque she's going to be the Islamic equivalent of the dreaded priest who does the long mass. The kids will be raging. :pac:

Reminds me of a nightmare my cousin was telling me about where he was stuck in a locked room with Celine Dion while she sang the song from Titanic non stop.

Now that's the kind of torture that would have seen results if deployed in Quantanamo Bay.

AndrewJRenko

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

No its not a diagnosis, its an observation from a person who sees another person telling the media and social media for years and years that she suffers from mental health problems. One of the first things you are supposed to do when you have these issues is detox from social media and get a clear head but she loves attention too much to do that.

This may come as a surprise, but serious mental health issues are not like a does of the trots. They don't clear up after a few days once you take the right pills or do the right things.


In many cases, with the best of treatment and the best of intentions, they continue - again and again and again for years, or for a lifetime.


We've seen huge campaigns from experts and organisations trying to remove stigma around mental health issues, to encourage people to 'just talk about it'. If Sinead wants to talk about it, who are you to tell her that she's wrong?

Wanderer2010

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This may come as a surprise, but serious mental health issues are not like a does of the trots. They don't clear up after a few days once you take the right pills or do the right things.


In many cases, with the best of treatment and the best of intentions, they continue - again and again and again for years, or for a lifetime.


We've seen huge campaigns from experts and organisations trying to remove stigma around mental health issues, to encourage people to 'just talk about it'. If Sinead wants to talk about it, who are you to tell her that she's wrong?

I think you are missing my point, Theres nothing wring with her telling someone about her problems. But telling the media over and over again is only going to make her look like an attention seeker more wedded to her problems that the solution. Private therapy and CBT and rehab etc can work wonders for your mental health. SOC, on the other hand, always has a keen eye for the camera and if shes not burning religious pictures on air, she is telling the world how tormented she is. And ironically even this thread is playing into her desire, so im out.

skooterblue2

Zorya wrote: »

Still though if she regularly does the Salat in the local Mosque she's going to be the Islamic equivalent of the dreaded priest who does the long mass. The kids will be raging. :pac:

Sounds like a bag of cats that just wont sink in the lake!!!

AndrewJRenko

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I think you are missing my point, Theres nothing wring with her telling someone about her problems. But telling the media over and over again is only going to make her look like an attention seeker more wedded to her problems that the solution. Private therapy and CBT and rehab etc can work wonders for your mental health. SOC, on the other hand, always has a keen eye for the camera and if shes not burning religious pictures on air, she is telling the world how tormented she is. And ironically even this thread is playing into her desire, so im out.

She's not telling the media. She's posting it on Twitter.



If the media pick it up, that's their issue, not hers.



Private therapy, CBT and rehab can work wonders for SOME people for their mental health. For others, they don't work. A friend is at a funeral today of a young lady who was released from a clinic last week all smiles and happy after treatment for depression. She died by suicide shortly afterwards.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

She's not telling the media. She's posting it on Twitter. If the media pick it up, that's their issue, not hers.
.

If she never told anyone no one would know but now its on the Internet and EVERYONE knows!!!

Loads of famous people have it, they just dont flaunt it in the public way Ms. OConnor has chosen.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If she never told anyone no one would know but now its on the Internet and EVERYONE knows!!!

Loads of famous people have it, they just dont flaunt it in the public way Ms. OConnor has chosen.

Not quite EVERYONE. Everyone who follows her on Twitter, or who reads click-bait articles on thrashy websites, or who clicked into this thread knows - but that's not quite the entire population of the world.


And yes, some people flaunt it, some people don't. Why does that make flaunting it wrong?

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Not quite EVERYONE. Everyone who follows her on Twitter, or who reads click-bait articles on thrashy websites, or who clicked into this thread knows - but that's not quite the entire population of the world.


And yes, some people flaunt it, some people don't. Why does that make flaunting it wrong?

Ok I am tapping out on this one. If you dont see what is wrong morally (I am not talking about the mental health aspect) with this woman, I am tapping out. Dont complain and yelp about a nail in the sole of your shoe without going to the cobbler.

iamwhoiam

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

She's not telling the media. She's posting it on Twitter.



If the media pick it up, that's their issue, not hers.



Private therapy, CBT and rehab can work wonders for SOME people for their mental health. For others, they don't work. A friend is at a funeral today of a young lady who was released from a clinic last week all smiles and happy after treatment for depression. She died by suicide shortly afterwards.

I am sorry to read that . Poor young lady . And still adults can sneer and point a finger and think they know it all . When in fact they cannot get into anyone elses mind and really haven't a clue about the huge range of mental illness . Its sad to read this thread and know some adults are still blinkered .

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ok I am tapping out on this one. If you dont see what is wrong morally (I am not talking about the mental health aspect) with this woman, I am tapping out. Dont complain and yelp about a nail in the sole of your shoe without going to the cobbler.

Why would you assume that she's not going to the cobbler?

dr.fuzzenstein

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I think you are missing my point, Theres nothing wring with her telling someone about her problems. But telling the media over and over again is only going to make her look like an attention seeker more wedded to her problems that the solution. Private therapy and CBT and rehab etc can work wonders for your mental health. SOC, on the other hand, always has a keen eye for the camera and if shes not burning religious pictures on air, she is telling the world how tormented she is. And ironically even this thread is playing into her desire, so im out.

Well, get onto her and tell her if you know better!
She obviously has problems and her acting out on social media is a symptom of it.