Gun Club offences who to contact

Angelfacexx

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Huntline

Angelfacexx wrote: »

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Any more details?

Peregrinus

If you mean "offences" in the sense of "criminal offences", the people to contact are the Guards.

If you mean "offences" in some other sense, you need to tell us what other sense.

It would also help if you could tell us whether, by "gun club offences" you mean (a) offences committed by gun clubs, (b) offences committed in gun club by members or visitors, (c) offences against the rules of a gun club, or (d) something else.

Angelfacexx

Committed by members

Which would go against the rules,, which would also in turn be a criminal offence
Found my first line of call the NARGC

Vegeta

Angelfacexx wrote: »

Committed by members

Which would go against the rules,, which would also in turn be a criminal offence
Found my first line of call the NARGC

AFAIK, NARGC can't interfere with the running or operation of local clubs, each club is free to have it's own constitution etc. Your best result would probably be from contacting local club directly.

cookimonster

Are we talking about:

-Contravention of the Wild Life Act, poaching/illegal killing or
taking of wildlife etc,
-Contravention of Firearms Legislation
-Contravention of Club / NARGC constitutions etc

..each on their own would require different approaches, although the out come may be delt with multiple agencies both civil and private.

IMO lesser acts of indescression (certainly not illegal activities) especially within private societies should be delt with in-house before involving governing bodies or out side agencies.
Seek non judgemental and impartial advice before proceeding as you yourself may end up on the wrong side of a formal disciplinary procedure, especially if you are unsure of a course of action or even may be mistaken in what has actually happened or whether it is actually contray to any regulation, rule or law.

Sparks

Angelfacexx wrote: »

Which would go against the rules,, which would also in turn be a criminal offence
Found my first line of call the NARGC

No.
Look, if the action you're looking to report is a criminal offence, you go to the Gardai first. Always. That's the law. If the thing is a criminal offence and is also against a club rule, well, that's nice, but the Gardai get called first, the club rule isn't even relevant at that stage.

You can tell the club at the same time but there is the point that accusing someone of a criminal offence is serious and if you just rock up to some random member of the public (which is all that club secretaries and the like are in law) and tell them that another random member of the public is a criminal, well, unless you can prove that in court then they have grounds for a defamation case against you. So, you just go to the Gardai. If it's a criminal offence, it's their job. If they agree and arrest someone and a file goes to the DPP and they get prosecuted, well, those are all facts in the public domain which you can then relay to the club without fear of a defamation suit; but go to the club first and you're not only doing the wrong thing, you're legally exposed.

It should also be noted that breaking a club rule does not necessarily translate in every case to breaking the law and committing a criminal offence (there certainly would be cases where that was so but it's not a one-to-one mapping by any means).

Sparks

Also, Mod hat on for a moment - for the love of all that's small and furry, do NOT post the particulars here if they can identify the person or persons involved. Boards.ie is not An Garda Siochana.

meathstevie

As Sparks said, the Gardai and the Gardai only are your first port of call if you suspect a crime has been committed.

The only possible exception in a shooting context would be an NPWS Ranger if it's specifically a wildlife crime but the Gardai can deal with that just as well.

If it's merely a contravention of a club's constitution or code of conduct and no actual crime in the eyes of the law than it's a civil and not a criminal matter.