Gameweek 11 transfers

Dr. Bre

manual_man wrote: »

Correct. And then i've just realised if you add Peltier like just mentioned you're looking at TRAMP

Throw show in shaw and it’s trams

tailgunner

manual_man wrote: »

Correct. And then i've just realised if you add Peltier like just mentioned you're looking at TRAMP

P for PVA surely?

Chesty08

Pogue eile wrote: »

Chesty08 wrote: »

I wrote out a reply and it never posted   In short, it came to a team with TRAM will give you a 'consistent score'. They are averaging 22 ppgw at a cost of £29m (incl. AWB points and value).

Personally I think if you have TRAM then you dont need AWB, and going with Peltier frees up .3m or so depending on price paid for AWB, thus gving a little more options for the final midfielder

In the absence of Robbo and Mendy during this timeframe (3 out of 5 GW's) AWB contributed a healthy 4 ppg. Peltier or even a fodder midfielder would of been significantly less.

Chesty08

KevIRL wrote: »

Pogue eile wrote: »

Personally I think if you have TRAM then you dont need AWB, and going with Peltier frees up .3m or so depending on price paid for AWB, thus gving a little more options for the final midfielder

Did the last GW not show the importance of a full playing bench though? Probably needed even moreso between now and Christmas.

This is my point on TRAM. Even though they contributed well over the last 5 GW's, it wasn't something significant to warrant an extra £3.5m on the defence (I had 2 of the 4). 
Add to that, you will need a bench over the next 8 GW's or so as there will be times these will be rotated. 
If you go with 
TRAM and AWB, £8.5m for GK's and then the Big 3 (Aguero, Salah, Hazard) then you are leaving yourself with £28m for 5 players (3 midfielders and 2 attackers).
Work out the numbers and you are left with a lot of risky budget players who may not play either.

Pogue eile

Chesty08 wrote: »

In the absence of Robbo and Mendy during this timeframe (3 out of 5 GW's) AWB contributed a healthy 4 ppg. Peltier or even a fodder midfielder would of been significantly less.

Its only if there is two missing it becomes an issue, and Mendy's wasnt rotation, it was very simple to switch him to Laporte/Stones - AWB has had 7 blanks, including a red card. 3 good weeks against Fulham, Hudersfield and Newcastle is not enough for me to be honest, I think with Regards to Kev's team its either downgrade to Peltier or upgrade to a Wolves defender and downgrade the 5th midfielder.

Shedite27

Chesty08 wrote: »

This is my point on TRAM. Even though they contributed well over the last 5 GW's, it wasn't something significant to warrant an extra £3.5m on the defence (I had 2 of the 4). 
Add to that, you will need a bench over the next 8 GW's or so as there will be times these will be rotated. 
If you go with 
TRAM and AWB, £8.5m for GK's and then the Big 3 (Aguero, Salah, Hazard) then you are leaving yourself with £28m for 5 players (3 midfielders and 2 attackers).
Work out the numbers and you are left with a lot of risky budget players who may not play either.

So it's:
1) Mane + TRAMP
2) Salah + Bargain Defense

No brainer for me

Dicky2016

Banking this week!
Knockaert to Barkley is tempting.

S.M.B.

Trippier is currently priced at £1.9m more than the price I paid for Doherty. I can't justify that upgrade and that money help with the Salah over Mane fund.

Pogue eile

Dicky2016 wrote: »

Banking this week!
Knockaert to Barkley is tempting.

Barkley looks like rising again tonight so time to decide!

Sephiroth_dude

Vardy worth a punt this week?

tailgunner

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Vardy worth a punt this week?

Someone posted earlier about the players potentially attending the owner's funeral on Saturday. Puel has also said the result of the game is "not important" which is the right thing in fairness. I'd hold off a week personally.

Green&Red

Lot of group think here around RAM, here’s a counter argument.
I looked back over the last four weeks, my back five are
Doherty - Bennett - Duffy - AWB - Rico

So not even five starters, from the remaining four I only ever start three. Those three have gotten me 60pts over the four weeks compared to 56 for RAM over the same period.
You can make the argument that I’ve been lucky with Wolves and Brighton going well but I’ve picked them for that reason. I’m getting Balbeuna in this week cause they have great fixtures.
Obviously when one of RAM aren’t playing you get a sub in which I haven’t accounted for but that’s two games out of the 12 and I have the security of knowing my lads will start. Plus the last few weeks we’ve all needed a full bench

Lemlin

KevIRL wrote: »

Considering this.

Mitro/Knockeart/Peltier to Success/Trippier/Delefou or Brooks or some other 5.4 or cheaper mid for a -4. This would leave me with

Ryan/Foster
Trippier/Mendy/Robertson/Alonso/AWB
Salah/Hazard/Richarlison/5.4 or lower/Gunnarrson
Aguero/Arnie/Success

Plan would be to play either 443 or 433 with Success or 5.4 mid being benched every week.

Personally am a fan as it gets me TRAM who are delivering. Also improves my bench with perma injured Peltier finally gone. Gets rid of Knockeart the dope too.

Downsides, still no Wolves defence cover - prob okay for a couple of weeks and no Bournemouth attacking cover (been killing me recently). Also a week where TRAM all concede could be very grim.

Thoughts?

It’s very similar to my team but I have Kelly instead of Trippier, Fraser in midfield and Ings instead of Success.

Why the need for two playing keepers? I have Fab and just play him every week with Speroni as cover.

Downgrade to one playing keeper and you have an extra .5 to play with and that 5.4 mid becomes a 5.9 mid like Fraser or Barkley.

KevIRL

Lemlin wrote: »

It’s very similar to my team but I have Kelly instead of Trippier, Fraser in midfield and Ings instead of Success.

Why the need for two playing keepers? I have Fab and just play him every week with Speroni as cover.

Downgrade to one playing keeper and you have an extra .5 to play with and that 5.4 mid becomes a 5.9 mid like Fraser or Barkley.

Yeah good point and sorting the keepers is on my list but I don't really fancy a minus 8 to do it this week. Could WC but that seems a bit of a waste.

Pete_Cavan

Green&Red wrote: »

Lot of group think here around RAM, here’s a counter argument.

Absolutely. They started the season on fire but that form has completely dried up (as was always going to happen). Alonso and Robbo haven't got any attacking return in the last five GWs, Mendy has one assist but has missed a good bit. I have Mendy but am happy to have cheaper alternatives in the Chelsea and Liverpool defenses and spend the money elsewhere - I've missed three Robbo bonus points over five GWs but saving more than 2m.

Benimar

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Absolutely. They started the season on fire but that form has completely dried up (as was always going to happen). Alonso and Robbo haven't got any attacking return in the last five GWs, Mendy has one assist but has missed a good bit. I have Mendy but am happy to have cheaper alternatives in the Chelsea and Liverpool defenses and spend the money elsewhere - I've missed three Robbo bonus points over five GWs but saving more than 2m.

Alonso got an assist and 2 bonus this week.

TitianGerm

My plan to move Moura to Barkley to get Arni for Ings is bust. Hadn't realised Barkley rose by .1 earlier in the week

stephenl15

-8s rarely (never) pay off but I've taken one

extra gravy

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Absolutely. They started the season on fire but that form has completely dried up (as was always going to happen). Alonso and Robbo haven't got any attacking return in the last five GWs, Mendy has one assist but has missed a good bit. I have Mendy but am happy to have cheaper alternatives in the Chelsea and Liverpool defenses and spend the money elsewhere - I've missed three Robbo bonus points over five GWs but saving more than 2m.

You might be saving by going for the cheaper options but you're missing out on points. Alonso is 21 points ahead of the nearest Chelsea defender, Robertson 15 ahead of the nearest Pool defender and missed a game. Mendy is only a point behind Laporte despite missing 3 games. I have all three and can fit in Salah, Hazard and Aguero. Not sure if the extra money saved and invested elsewhere would equal or yield more points than that.

Pete_Cavan

Benimar wrote: »

Alonso got an assist and 2 bonus this week.

Didn't realise that, anything I checked at the weekend didn't credit him with an assist.

Pogue eile

extra gravy wrote: »

You might be saving by going for the cheaper options but you're missing out on points. Alonso is 21 points ahead of the nearest Chelsea defender, Robertson 15 ahead of the nearest Pool defender and missed a game. Mendy is only a point behind Laporte despite missing 3 games. I have all three and can fit in Salah, Hazard and Aguero. Not sure if the extra money saved and invested elsewhere would equal or yield more points than that.

Exactly and between the three they have 26 bps which is incredible considering the free scoring teams they are in.

Green&Red

extra gravy wrote: »

You might be saving by going for the cheaper options but you're missing out on points. Alonso is 21 points ahead of the nearest Chelsea defender, Robertson 15 ahead of the nearest Pool defender and missed a game. Mendy is only a point behind Laporte despite missing 3 games. I have all three and can fit in Salah, Hazard and Aguero. Not sure if the extra money saved and invested elsewhere would equal or yield more points than that.

@extragavy read back through my original post on this, you haven’t been over the last few weeks, RAM is down versus four defenders all bought for 4.5 or under



Lot of group think here around RAM, here’s a counter argument.
I looked back over the last four weeks, my back five are
Doherty - Bennett - Duffy - AWB - Rico

So not even five starters, from the remaining four I only ever start three. Those three have gotten me 60pts over the four weeks compared to 56 for RAM over the same period.
You can make the argument that I’ve been lucky with Wolves and Brighton going well but I’ve picked them for that reason. I’m getting Balbeuna in this week cause they have great fixtures.
Obviously when one of RAM aren’t playing you get a sub in which I haven’t accounted for but that’s two games out of the 12 and I have the security of knowing my lads will start. Plus the last few weeks we’ve all needed a full bench

extra gravy

Green&Red wrote: »

@extragavy read back through my original post on this, you haven’t been over the last few weeks, RAM is down versus four defenders all bought for 4.5 or under



Lot of group think here around RAM, here’s a counter argument.
I looked back over the last four weeks, my back five are
Doherty - Bennett - Duffy - AWB - Rico

So not even five starters, from the remaining four I only ever start three. Those three have gotten me 60pts over the four weeks compared to 56 for RAM over the same period.
You can make the argument that I’ve been lucky with Wolves and Brighton going well but I’ve picked them for that reason. I’m getting Balbeuna in this week cause they have great fixtures.
Obviously when one of RAM aren’t playing you get a sub in which I haven’t accounted for but that’s two games out of the 12 and I have the security of knowing my lads will start. Plus the last few weeks we’ve all needed a full bench

I can see the value in the cheaper defenders for sure. I don't look at RAM as defenders but rather as midfielders that have huge attacking potential and will get some clean sheets. You're also getting coverage from the three best defences in the league. I'm willing to pay a premium for that.

rekluse

My KDB gamble 2 weeks ago has absolutely shafted me and he played 87 mins tonight would you stick or twist ?

KevIRL

rekluse wrote: »

My KDB gamble 2 weeks ago has absolutely shafted me and he played 87 mins tonight would you stick or twist ?

He went off injured. Straight down the tunnel

eagle eye

Points per match for regular starters is an interesting stat I think.

Top man is Eden Hazard at 8.3 ppm, next in line is Mendy at 7.6, then Alonso at 7.2, Mane and Sterling are tied at 7.0, then Salah at 6.5, Robertson, Walker, Auba and Wilson are at 6.3, Fraser at 6.2 followed by Trippier and Aguero at 6.0.



Obviously you can't have all of them but I think Tram is well worth it at the back. Fraser and Wilson are must haves right now imo, Hazard clearly has to be the first premium mid and Auba up top.



Just one more thing, Bruno of Brighton who has started the last three games is on an average of 6.5ppm and is currently available at 4.4m.

km79

rekluse wrote: »

My KDB gamble 2 weeks ago has absolutely shafted me and he played 87 mins tonight would you stick or twist ?

I have bad news for you ......

Green&Red

extra gravy wrote: »

I can see the value in the cheaper defenders for sure. I don't look at RAM as defenders but rather as midfielders that have huge attacking potential and will get some clean sheets. You're also getting coverage from the three best defences in the league. I'm willing to pay a premium for that.

They are more likely to score highly but picking five good defenders can limit their damage and you’ve 5m extra to spend elsewhere.

“Seeing them as midfielders” is an argument I hate, they are not comparable to a midfielder, they get a “goal” for a clean sheet

normanoffside

km79 wrote: »

I have bad news for you ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8woxeGJveA

Pogue eile

I'm sorry but whatever about Roberston and Mendy,not having Alonso is quite simply wreckless, he is the second top scorer in the game for 7m, its as close to a no brainer as you will get. And its not as if its simply a hot streak, he has being doing it for two and a bit seasons now, over the past two seasons and this season he has 14 goals, 13 assists, 33 clean sheets and 37 bonus points.

extra gravy

Green&Red wrote: »

“Seeing them as midfielders” is an argument I hate, they are not comparable to a midfielder, they get a “goal” for a clean sheet

Wingbacks or attacking defenders are comparable to midfielders and often get further forward. Alonso has outscored every mid priced mid. He's not a defender in the traditional sense and neither are Mendy or Robertson.

patmac

Gambling after a terrible October.
Hart,Trippier,Lennon and Ramsey out Ederson,Balbueno,Siggy and Barkley in for -8.

Cartman78

Probably maybe going to go ahead with AWB to Balbuena.


Not entirely happy with TAA atm tbh (;)) - he probably won't feature against Arsenal but worth keeping for the Fulham game.


Starting to get a bit worried about Mendy - he was diabolical the other night by all account



Richarlison & Maddison underwhelming a bit lately as well but will hold for another bit

TitianGerm

Cartman78 wrote: »

Probably maybe going to go ahead with AWB to Balbuena.


Not entirely happy with TAA atm tbh (;)) - he probably won't feature against Arsenal but worth keeping for the Fulham game.


Starting to get a bit worried about Mendy - he was diabolical the other night by all account



Richarlison & Maddison underwhelming a bit lately as well but will hold for another bit

Madison hasn't seen to bad. He's set up some very good chances but they are just not taking them.

S.M.B.

And Mendy was not diabolical, his performance on Monday night has been grossly exaggerated,

Chesty08

Benimar wrote: »

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Absolutely. They started the season on fire but that form has completely dried up (as was always going to happen). Alonso and Robbo haven't got any attacking return in the last five GWs, Mendy has one assist but has missed a good bit. I have Mendy but am happy to have cheaper alternatives in the Chelsea and Liverpool defenses and spend the money elsewhere - I've missed three Robbo bonus points over five GWs but saving more than 2m.

Alonso got an assist and 2 bonus this week.

Add to this the fact that Alonso and Mendy were both on for 2 bps with no attacking returns.

ThunbergsAreGo

For me its the fact that any of the three (RAM) are as likely to get attacking returns as any of the midfielders that are priced 9m or below AND have the additional points possibilities from clean sheets

I do get the counter argument in a way as a 4.5m defender is with something whereby a 4.5 midfielder is essentially useless but i think the positives outweigh this

Cartman78

S.M.B. wrote: »

And Mendy was not diabolical, his performance on Monday night has been grossly exaggerated,

I'll admit to not having seen the game......but the feedback on here was poor and listening to the Totally Football podcast just now and they suggested that Pep might be losing patience with Mendy for both his performance and his social media shenanigans.

SteelyDanJalapeno

I'll take Mendy being diabolical and still getting clean sheets over most other defenders....

Ace2007

S.M.B. wrote: »

And Mendy was not diabolical, his performance on Monday night has been grossly exaggerated,

Ah now he was bad on Monday and lucky not to have been sent off near the end

Jesper

I'm on WC this week. 0.1 left with the below squad. I don't have the standard RAM defence but a close second. I want to have 1 strong sub and I'm happy for this to be a defender/Barkley. Plan on playing 3:5:2 or 4:4:2.

Ederson
Trippier/Laporte/Gomez/Duffy/Kiko Feminia
Salah/Hazard/Sigurdsson/Pereyra/Barkley
Aguero/Arnie/Success

Toyed over Sig vs. Martial. Also had Wilson but downgraded to Success because a playing rotatable striker for that money is great value.
The big misses are a Chelsea defender (but I have 2 mid's so 2 Clean sheet points if that happens). Also instead of Mendy/Rob I have Ederson/Laporte and Gomez. I bought Trip's for 6 so I think I will hold onto.

The real mccoy 91

Cartman78 wrote: »

I'll admit to not having seen the game......but the feedback on here was poor and listening to the Totally Football podcast just now and they suggested that Pep might be losing patience with Mendy for both his performance and his social media shenanigans.

They suggested based on what? Not having a go but just like on here opinions are to be taken with a pinch of salt until mendy is fit and dropped it's the wrong assumption

Shanotheslayer

If Mendy is a doubt Laporte is the way to go gents. I've had him since Mendy's injury.

VW 1

Very tempted on a Trippier Jiminez out, replaced by Duffy and Arnie in for a -4 but looking to hold for 6-8 gameweeks.

Thinking is that with the upcoming fixtures for Brighton and West Ham these will score more points as a duo, and I haven't really been using Jiminez as a starter, whereas Arnie will allow me to play 3-4-3.

Any thoughts?

Chesty08

VW 1 wrote: »

Very tempted on a Trippier Jiminez out, replaced by Duffy and Arnie in for a -4 but looking to hold for 6-8 gameweeks.

Thinking is that with the upcoming fixtures for Brighton and West Ham these will score more points as a duo, and I haven't really been using Jiminez as a starter, whereas Arnie will allow me to play 3-4-3.

Any thoughts?

I'd go with a Newcastle defender over Duffy. I've gone with Fernandez (£4.4m).
Since Utd game they conceded an unlucky goal to Brighton and kept a clean sheet to Southampton.

There next 4 games, 3 of them are at home WAT, BOU, bur, WHU.

Then if you have other fires to put out in early December you can hold this player as they have hud and FUL.

I think they are warming up nicely for their form period under Rafa which will ultimately keep them up this year.

dsmythy

Why are people worried about Mendy? He's important to the team. One less than stellar performance isn't going to lead to a ripping up of the plan. I don't have him naturally.

dsmythy

Chesty08 wrote: »

I'd go with a Newcastle defender over Duffy. I've gone with Fernandez (£4.4m).
Since Utd game they conceded an unlucky goal to Brighton and kept a clean sheet to Southampton.

There next 4 games, 3 of them are at home WAT, BOU, bur, WHU.

Then if you have other fires to put out in early December you can hold this player as they have hud and FUL.

I think they are warming up nicely for their form period under Rafa which will ultimately keep them up this year.

Bournemouth and Watford well able to score against them. At least they're not playing the bigger teams I suppose.

dr.kenneth noisewater

have 2FT but no transfer jumping out at me so thinking of downgrading Doherty to Balbuena to raise cash to do Mitro to Arnie next week

Chesty08

dsmythy wrote: »

Chesty08 wrote: »

I'd go with a Newcastle defender over Duffy. I've gone with Fernandez (£4.4m).
Since Utd game they conceded an unlucky goal to Brighton and kept a clean sheet to Southampton.

There next 4 games, 3 of them are at home WAT, BOU, bur, WHU.

Then if you have other fires to put out in early December you can hold this player as they have hud and FUL.

I think they are warming up nicely for their form period under Rafa which will ultimately keep them up this year.

Bournemouth and Watford well able to score against them. At least they're not playing the bigger teams I suppose.

Agreed. However when compared to Brighton who have 3 out of 4 away games eve,car,LEI and hud I think the likelihood of keeping clean sheets is more on in Newcastle's favour over this period, IMO.

Cartman78

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

They suggested based on what? Not having a go but just like on here opinions are to be taken with a pinch of salt until mendy is fit and dropped it's the wrong assumption

Ah yeah....not based on anything concrete at all apart from journalists waffling :pac: