House for life for 55 euro a week.

listermint

Delaney Thankful Bathrobe wrote: »

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The "Go on benefits yourself so" rebuttal is not an effective argument in my opinion.

People don't have to want to experience a particular lifestyle to have an opinion on it.

The people being referred to are not people who need social welfare because they have lost their job and are finding it difficult to secure another one, or have an illness or disability or their partner/spouse died/became ill/left. Why is it always insisted that the above folk are those being referred to when freeloading is criticised? It's like an argument is being looked for.

There are people who are completely exploiting the system and taking funds from those who actually need them, and there is a self entitlement/abdication of personal responsibility culture. There is nothing wrong with criticising these sponges.

Im afraid it is a fair rebuttal when the claims are made in such a way that people are 'living it up'

Its actually a kin to the foreigners being given free Prams and leaving them at bus-stops.


Id urge people to go off and quit their jobs and live it up like these folks. We can all then get outraged about how awesome it is.

Tell me how

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Fair point but maybe through education people may learn that trying something isn’t a forced behavior and more so a voluntary option and therefore the person is running the risks at their own will.

Yes, but, many still have a good relationship with alcohol. Are you suggesting that it be banned entirely just because some, unfortunately, end up being addicted to it?

And should there be outright bans on smoking, and gambling, and pornography, and various foods which people become addicted to.

How do you think the population would react to such laws when we are currently in a place where the government is often accused of already being too much involved in peoples lives?

Diceicle

PapaOscar wrote: »

most of these poxbottles will never get to step foot out of Ireland. I cant imagine not having a couple of holidays a year or having money there to do whatever with.

Most probably, however, a woman I'm acquainted with:- doesn't work officially, works a couple of hours a week for cash in a kitchen. Has a house in Dublin 8 costing €80 per week. Holidays in Thailand every year.
I wouldn't think this example is much of an outlier.

listermint

Diceicle wrote: »

Most probably, however, a woman I'm acquainted with:- doesn't work officially, works a couple of hours a week for cash in a kitchen. Has a house in Dublin 8 costing €80 per week. Holidays in Thailand every year.
I wouldn't think this example is much of an outlier.

Report her to the Welfare number then.


Since this story is true and you are annoyed about it.

Nermal

listermint wrote: »

Im afraid it is a fair rebuttal when the claims are made in such a way that people are 'living it up'

'Living it up' in proportion to their productivity. Not in absolute terms.

Nermal

Nermal wrote: »

'Living it up' in proportion to their productivity. Not in absolute terms.

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Summary of Piketty, Part 3: inherited capital

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Summary of Piketty, Part 3: inherited capital

Remind me how much of my taxes go to support Lord Henry and his lot ?

That's right - **** all. But the gob****es getting free houses sure get their (un)fair share!

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote:

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Or look at the major Brexiteers.

studdlymurphy

KERSPLAT! wrote:

Rent is means tested. Your income increases then so does your rent.

So then discourages working? That'll help get them back working

Farfromhome02

Just focus on your own life and keep your nose out of what other people are doing.

Wheeliebin30

listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

Then implement the plan you are reading in the articles you get so worked up about.

Why wouldnt you ?

I mean you can have all of that too!

Why should those people have something you cant have.



There is quite literally nothing stopping you. Go for it! You have my backing, you can post in here daily of your experiences of this new life so we can all keep track of how good it is.

I have pride, dignity, respect and a work ethic.

I want to contribute to society and I want my kids to learn the same values.

Just because something is easy to manipulate and scam doesn’t mean we should all do it.

Wheeliebin30

Farfromhome02 wrote: »

Just focus on your own life and keep your nose out of what other people are doing.

Should we do that in all aspects of life?

Crime, sexual abuse??

Doctors room ghost

Tell me how wrote: »

Yes, but, many still have a good relationship with alcohol. Are you suggesting that it be banned entirely just because some, unfortunately, end up being addicted to it?

And should there be outright bans on smoking, and gambling, and pornography, and various foods which people become addicted to.

How do you think the population would react to such laws when we are currently in a place where the government is often accused of already being too much involved in peoples lives?

I’m not saying anything should be banned.all those items you mention should be available to people who choose to indulge in them in moderation without them causing life changing problems for people.
Manys the lad who enjoys a pint and gets up for work.
Manys the lad who backs a horse and still pays a mortgage.
People need to own the behavior they display and be responsible for their own actions.
Hiding behind the term illness for a sufferer of addiction is wrong in my opinion.there are many options available such as treatment and medical detoxes.medication is also available to prevent cravings and to remove a persons willingness to consume alcohol.

Berserker

listermint wrote: »

I for one,

would absolutely love the people that start these threads week in week out, And there is a small cohort that do it. To go action their words.

Walk into the boss there and leave your job.

You don't have to experience something to have an opinion on it. Secondly, this wouldn't work. If they resigned they'd have to wait six months, I believe, before they can claim their dole money.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense.

Can you expand on this? Can you give us some example of these people?

Plumbthedepths

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

Greyfox

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Greyfox

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Plumbthedepths

Greyfox wrote:

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Ring Whineline, Joe will sort it out.

Deebles McBeebles

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My wife is in a shop at the moment browsing. I'm sat at a cafe bar in central Prague writing this. Off work for the week enjoying a city break. Life is to short to get bitter over this crap.

Yeah. I'm sitting in an office, working. Meanwhile there are people who have more than me who have never gotten up before noon unless they have to sign on early.

ThunbergsAreGo

Greyfox wrote: »

So we should do nothing while a small minority abuse the system? Should we ignore everything else that's wrong with the country too

Its only a small few who murder, let them at it

Gimme A Pound

I had to draw the dole myself while looking for work but I don't take this thread as a personal attack as I know it's not targeted at people like me that time.

I used to be the same as folk here - thought the problem was mostly in people's heads, thought people should stop whining... then I ended up in a situation having to deal with these self entitled greedy grabbers. They'd sicken you. The water charges protesters opened my eyes to it also - daily protests because of not working, but videoing themselves on smart phones. Joan Burton was dead right - all that angered them was the truth being told.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are tons of rich people who produce absolutely nothing and are "living it up" in every sense. Thomas Piketty's Capitalism in the 21st Century should be required reading for everybody who posts on this subject in After Hours.

Summary of Piketty, Part 3: inherited capital

Without capitalism people can't set up their own businesses or just buy stuff when they feel like it. If you're referring to selfishness and greed, I didn't know it was the law to criticise just one group or the other. You can criticise both, and the freeloaders are also greedy, selfish and exploitative.

Plumbthedepths

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

Yeah. I'm sitting in an office, working. Meanwhile there are people who have more than me who have never gotten up before noon unless they have to sign on early.

Well when your local TD calls looking for your vote, voice your concern. Considering the reaction form the higher echelons of society to Peter Casey( he got my vote btw), I doubt he/ she will give your opinion any consideration.

SEPT 23 1989

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Yeah. I'm sitting in an office, working. Meanwhile there are people who have more than me who have never gotten up before noon unless they have to sign on early.

would you like a life of lying in the bed till noon and signing on?

wouldnt hold any appeal for me

Wheeliebin30

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

would you like a life of lying in the bed till noon and signing on?

wouldnt hold any appeal for me

Yeah cause there isn’t people claiming and working at the same time.

Deebles McBeebles

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Well when your local TD calls looking for your vote, voice your concern. Considering the reaction form the higher echelons of society to Peter Casey( he got my vote btw), I doubt he/ she will give your opinion any consideration.

Course they won't, that's fairly obvious from experience.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

would you like a life of lying in the bed till noon and signing on?

wouldnt hold any appeal for me

Some Monday mornings, yeah. But mostly no. It really suits some folk though.

Agent Smith

Where do i sign up?

Humphrey BoaGart

Delaney Thankful Bathrobe wrote: »

I had to draw the dole myself while looking for work but I don't take this thread as a personal attack as I know it's not targeted at people like me that time.

I used to be the same as folk here - thought the problem was mostly in people's heads, thought people should stop whining... then I ended up in a situation having to deal with these self entitled greedy grabbers. They'd sicken you.

Any examples?

Plumbthedepths

Deebles McBeebles wrote:

Course they won't, that's fairly obvious from experience.

Well they are the only ones who can change the system, so vote for someone who has welfare reform as a policy. Assuming any will be brave enough.

Deebles McBeebles

You're preaching to the choir here.

Paulzx

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

would you like a life of lying in the bed till noon and signing on?

wouldnt hold any appeal for me

Doesn't appeal to me either.

But it shouldn't be an option for those who it does appeal to...........

tretorn

whomitconcerns wrote: »

Why should the children get these homes in succession? That's madness...sure why would they try better themselves...

You cant hand your house over to your children without incurring hefty gift taxes.

You also if you want to pay for your nursing home through Fairdeal will have a big sum to be paid back to Revenue if your house is in anyway valuable on paper.

The person renting the house has no assets so all they pay is eighty per cent of their pension and a percentage of their savings. The big hit for most people is the value of the house and the cost under the Fairdeal can be huge.

I know council houses which are occupied by one adult person who is going to have this house until they die. Their parent is in the nursing home paying eighty per cent of their pension while another person in the home has to come up with over a thousand euros a week.

PapaOscar

lawred2 wrote: »

Average household income in Ireland is just over 50K.. in a high cost country

If you think people are buying homes, raising children and still having multiple foreign holidays a year; you're living in some delusion.

Obviously some people are. And good for them.

I think some people dont know how to manage money, i didnt either for years until i met a good woman who knocked some sense into me. Our income would be less then 50k combined per year. We have a mortgage. We are still able to save.

I find most people that complain about costs are the same people that have no problem buying 4 euro coffees every morning then spending 15 quid on lunch, every day.

Deebles McBeebles

PapaOscar wrote: »

I think some people dont know how to manage money, i didnt either for years until i met a good woman who knocked some sense into me. Our income would be less then 50k combined per year. We have a mortgage. We are still able to save.

I find most people that complain about costs are the same people that have no problem buying 4 euro coffees every morning then spending 15 quid on lunch, every day.

Myself and my partner earn more than that, no mortgage, savings only topped up occasionally. No expensive coffees or lunches. I manage my money well, always have.

Its depends where you live/work.

PapaOscar

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Myself and my partner earn more than that, no mortgage, savings only topped up occasionally. No expensive coffees or lunches.

Its depends where you live/work.

I live and work in Dublin, what are you spending your money on if you can only top up savings occasionally? ill assume without mortgage you are paying rent?

Deebles McBeebles

Oh yeah big time, probably twice your mortgage if you bought at a good time. Just the usual stuff, food, bills etc etc. Rarely go out, haven't had a proper holiday in 5 years. I'm not looking for pity, just saying its not as easy as your post suggested.

Wheety

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, that's a lie.

If you are talking of boards.ie of 2001, you may have a point, but boards has and is being taken over by a right wing mentality.

Most contentious threads will have 2/3 people defending a liberal viewpoint, while the majority of the rest will be attacking it.

You may say that is representative of Irish Society, but that is blatantly untrue. Look at the boards exit poll of the recent presidential election. https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057923419

Boards has changed from its nice, socially conscious internet forum, to something much worse. But it is a window into how a minority think.

Well the users from 2001 are older now, and I believe it's true that, in general, the older you get the more right wing you become.

I'm not sure how many younger people are signing up to Boards and are active on here compared to the middle-age and older groups. So now you have groups who have contributed tax for most of their lives and paying large mortgages seeing others seemingly getting houses for a pittance and not having to work for it.

LeBash

suicide_circus wrote: »

I assume this is a legacy issue in that there is a lot of existing social housing stock in the city centre already, therefore that is where people are housed. I presume any new social housing stock coming on line now is not in the city centre.

Quite a few council houses were bought from the council at extremely low rates. DCC are buying houses in Dublin and handing then out. My neighbour had the house up for 6 months. No takers at 440k and then the council bought it, gutted it and moved a family in.

They are very nice people but by no means need a house in Dublin. They bring the kids to school in the morning and then go home.

That same house in a market not propped up by council money might have been 350k which is in the range of quite a few couples. But 350k gets you a house in a suburb of Navan these days.

decky1

know a girl with one child living at home 250 a week, and another the same with a house and she get's 150 her rent is 65?

A girl living in a Council House in Drogheda, has 2 kids (12 + 16 I believe). Works part time, and claims Social Welfare for days not worked.

Rent is charged at €25 per week (3 bed semi-detached).

CinemaGuy45

LeBash wrote: »

We do need social houses. There are people who genuinely are living in hotels and on the street.

The 1 annoying thing about it is, people working in Dublin (I'm sure other cities are similar) end up having to move 50+ km away from where they work because they can't afford to compete with their own tax money.

If someone is in need of social housing and isn't working, then they don't need to be inside the M50 or even Dublin. The person contributing to the social housing ends up with a 3 hour commute each day. That's just plain wrong.

I know that post has 57 thanks.
Many many people in social housing work the county has been flooded by cheap workers and wages have collapsed.

Many people did not get to go to college and there is an army of people with minor disabilities who work in low paying jobs who would be unemployed if they got booted out of the area that has a concentration of these poxy jobs.

I live in social housing and have always worked I did not get many chances in life and I know many other people like me.

How do you think your supermarkets garden centres restaurants and bars are going to be staffed and stocked if the people that staff them are thrown down the ****hole of nowhere?

I have a minor disability that has prevented me from climbing the social ladder but I work my ass off and always have. Do you think I should be kicked down to some ****hole if I happen to lose a job to a place I would never get another?

Your post had a lot of emotion in it and I am sure it made you feel good and it got plenty of thanks but under closer scrutiny, it has a lot of holes

tayto lover

I want an acre with mine and kennels. I have no horse.

Potential-Monke

I've sent them a message. 35yo living at home with my 70+ yo parents. Can't afford rent or a mortgage (again). How do I go about getting a house?

Let's see how they reply. I'm going to be totally honest with them, and see what kind of 'service' they offer a full time employed single male with no dependants living at home with his elderly parents and not enough left over to rent. Should be interesting.

hmmm

The rage is building in people, and Casey (a poor candidate who got 20%) is only the start. The real working class in this country, i.e. the lower paid workers, are sick and tired of seeing social welfare and social housing going to people who have never contributed. The working class are not represented by the so-called "left", Labour were always champagne socialists, the hard-left represent the non-working class.

Fianna Fail used to be the natural home for this group, but they have lost touch. FG are too pompous to represent them, unfortunately, despite the working class actually being a lot closer to them than they think.

Something changed last week with the Presidential election, and I think the tide is beginning to turn.

Fann Linn

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I've sent them a message. 35yo living at home with my 70+ yo parents. Can't afford rent or a mortgage (again). How do I go about getting a house?

Let's see how they reply. I'm going to be totally honest with them, and see what kind of 'service' they offer a full time employed single male with no dependants living at home with his elderly parents and not enough left over to rent. Should be interesting.

Go down to your LA housing office, fill in the forms and join the queue. Simples.

CinemaGuy45

Fann Linn wrote: »

Go down to your LA housing office, fill in the forms and join the queue. Simples.

And expect a reply sometime around 2030.

Fann Linn

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

And expect a reply sometime around 2030.

Yep. I don't think a 35 yo single male squatting in Tallaght Garda Stn will garner the same amount of sympathy as Ms. Cash.

CinemaGuy45

Fann Linn wrote: »

Yep. I don't think a 35 yo single male squatting in Tallaght Garda Stn will garner the same amount of sympathy as Ms. Cash.

I think it is safe to say she spent many a night there.
All the others times she got a room to herself.

James Brown

It's the Gresham for these no marks, that'll learn them!

...or we could save the tax payer on hotel bills by supplying affordable rentals the state owns?

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That’s the bit I don’t get.

Plus I thought if you present as homeless you can’t jump the q for a social house?!!

More lies form the media.

Try it. Seriously, I'd love you to find out rather than going by one off stories...in a media you seemingly don't trust anyway.

If only Bunny Carr was still with us. Money for the starving in Africa? We'd ask, sure there was one of them there eating a burger outta McDonalds, therefore give none of the nothing Bunny!

There's generations who grew up in social housing now living in privately owned homes. Half of their kids are on here whinging about people getting social housing

Potential-Monke

Oh I know i'm not going to get anything, but I want to see their reply as to why other peoples right to a house is more important than my right to my own house for €55 a week. And i'm saying right, as that seems to be the line Ms. Cash and her ilk are using.

2Mad2BeMad

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I've sent them a message. 35yo living at home with my 70+ yo parents. Can't afford rent or a mortgage (again). How do I go about getting a house?

Let's see how they reply. I'm going to be totally honest with them, and see what kind of 'service' they offer a full time employed single male with no dependants living at home with his elderly parents and not enough left over to rent. Should be interesting.

Go on the housing list then when your accepted you can then get the HAP.

I know more scroungers on the dole then people who genuinely need it.
I'm sure a lot of people know more scamming the system then in need of it.

Job seekers allowance needs to have a time limit on it. Say 6 or 12 months if you don't have a job tough **** you lose the dole. It's easy to get a job now there's so much out there you'd have no excuse.
As regards housing. I'm all for it if you need it but if you are like that girl a while back who slept in the guarda station with all her kids then cried about it while robbing penny's a few weeks later. You should be sterilized from having kids and have your current kids taken off you. Popping them out when you know your current situation is that you simple can't afford them so rely on the state to help you is ridiculous.
I ****ing despise mothers and fathers like this what type of parents are yous to bring children into this world when you know you can't give them a good upbringing
What ever about having 1 kid by mistake but having 3 and 4 when you don't have a penny to your name.
Where too soft in this country
Give the slackers a boot up the hole they either work or live off nothing.

Like I said I'm all for genuine people who need it
People who fell on hard times with kids
But the lifers need to be axed
And again I'd bet my ****ing life on it that there is a lot more then a (small mimority) screwing the system youd have to be blind to think its mostly honest people on it. Id guess 50/50 at least based off who I know is screwing it and who needs it unfortunately it's a stat no one will ever know