Are foreign women more approachable than Irish girls?

professore

Zorya wrote: »

I thought Fuaranach was a guy
Shyte and I even asked zim to marry me once because I agreed with zer so much about something and I'm not even a lesbian. How awkward.

Maybe he/she is. I just said what they sound like. Their gender isn't relevant to me for a discussion like this. I'm not hitting on them. Maybe it is for you?

Gimme A Pound

Of course Fuaranach's sex is relevant - you're backtracking. Yes he is a guy.

professore wrote: »

This isn't the norm. You must be seriously hot or look like a foreigner. And being a bollix has nothing to do with women flirting. In fact in Ireland being a bollix seems to attract certain women.

Also if there are a group of Irish women they all want the same guy. You must be thst guy.

It is the norm. I see it non stop. You should stop convincing yourself that only your experience is the same for everyone.

Zorya

Monserrat Itchy Verdigris wrote: »

Yes he is a guy.

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Well, phew, my Guydar is at least partially operative still

Poor_old_gill

professore wrote: »

This isn't the norm. You must be seriously hot or look like a foreigner. And being a bollix has nothing to do with women flirting. In fact in Ireland being a bollix seems to attract certain women.

Also if there are a group of Irish women they all want the same guy. You must be thst guy.

I can assure you that I’m not! Go into nearly any establishment in Dub and it will be extremely easy to strike up a conversation with an Irish woman and a lot of the time they’ll start chatting to you.

Looks is, I’d imagine only a small part of it. Other factors like being in a big group of lads will send woman away, how drunk you are, clothes, etc.

Gimme A Pound

Wibbs wrote:

But kinda GaP. Sometimes you get more honest opinions online.

Yeah there is definitely a group of men who are always drawn to absolute bitches (like women who are drawn to assholes) or they have no luck with women or they get frustrated with women going for assholes (just like the men who go for bitches) while they, nice guys, have no joy. They get frustrated too by women who aren't very pretty or slim getting sex while they don't - but this isn't some unfair conspiracy: men generally have a more urgent need for sexual release than women do, so some will just shag anyone, particularly after drink, then run a mile when sobered up. So I wouldn't get that jealous because that's hardly living the dream for the woman. And it's not like she's being fussy either.

Anyway, the internet works very much as an outlet for the above guys to vent, so this is why they appear more prominent online. It is understandable to an extent for a guy to feel resentment due to no intimacy, however when it gets ugly and woman-hating absolutely nothing excuses it. And it does get very much like that online. But not off-line.

Guys need to stop going for bitches and going to those awful nightclubs. These women are alien to me and my circle, who are never horrible to men, not looking for rich adonises, and think women who are horrible to men are vile... and we don't go for "bad boys".

Women's magazines and websites don't help with all their "you go girl!" shyte either, but listen... those magazines are all a veneer - they're not empowering women at all. They are utterly eroding women's confidence and should be avoided at all costs. Bring a book/Kindle to the hairdressers/waiting room ladies!

Yer Da sells Avon

Dan Shaw wrote: »

Currently making it with an Italian girl.

Neither am I.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

professore wrote: »

Me and most of my male friends from college are married to non Irish women.

That’s nice. It’s also a small sample size.

professore wrote: »

This isn't the norm. You must be seriously hot or look like a foreigner. And being a bollix has nothing to do with women flirting. In fact in Ireland being a bollix seems to attract certain women.

Also if there are a group of Irish women they all want the same guy. You must be thst guy.

What? Of all the bizarre generalisations made in the thread, this wins by a mile. What are you on about?

professore

professore wrote: »

Thinking about this a bit more, it might be that the Irish women I had issues with are outspoken and would talk over me all the time. They had a very set view of the world and were closed minded. There was no point having a discussion with them.

Non Irish women actually listen to what I'm saying rather than jumping to conclusions. You know having an actual conversation. I always felt their mind was made up before I said anything. Then again these women would be well travelled, intelligent and open to new ideas like myself.


This is a massive generalisation of course. I've met plenty of cool Irish women since but I married young and maybe I was unlucky before that.

OT but I don't think I've ever read a single post by you were you weren't having some kind of negative hot flush over women, and on this thread Irish women in particular.

Maybe you've posted lots of positive stuff about women, but if you have I've never seen it. All is see is a flow of negativity about women.

Have you ever considered the possibility of confirmation bias?

Pug160

i agree that a man who cannot approach a woman without alcohol may have some underlying issues. But I would ask - as I have done previously - why these problems are not being addressed collectively? One of the responses I see is that there is no major problem - that it's just a few guys who slip through the net for various reasons. I sometimes refer to these people who give those replies as the ''I'm all right Jack'' types - the people who have always been grand socially and who don't have any reason to believe that there is a significant section of the male population who have major issues interacting with women. They could well be right of course, but I think the issue is at least potentially bigger than some people may think. It's not even about intelligence either - it's the simple fact that certain people can't empathise with others on a certain issue or walk in their shoes if they haven't truly experiened it themselves.

People can turn their lives around and there have been plenty of success stories. But ideally you don't want to be shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. We go through key stages of development and if the boat is missed too many times you're playing catch up. Obviously there will always be people who will have a predisposition to be shy or awkward socially, or any number of things which may have a negative impact on how they interact socially. But is it just a case of saying that this will always be inevitable, and that there is nothing that can be done on a fundamental level to improve it? How big is the issue and how do the people who say it's not a significant problem know that?

Zorya

Pug160 wrote: »

i agree that a man who cannot approach a woman without alcohol may have some underlying issues. But I would ask - as I have done previously - why these problems are not being addressed collectively? One of the responses I see is that there is no major problem - that it's just a few guys who slip through the net for various reasons. I sometimes refer to these people who give those replies as the ''I'm all right Jack'' types - the people who have always been grand socially and who don't have any reason to believe that there is a significant section of the male population who have major issues interacting with women. They could well be right of course, but I think the issue is at least potentially bigger than some people may think. It's not even about intelligence either - it's the simple fact that certain people can't empathise with others on a certain issue or walk in their shoes if they haven't truly experiened it themselves.

People can turn their lives around and there have been plenty of success stories. But ideally you don't want to be shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. We go through key stages of development and if the boat is missed too many times you're playing catch up. Obviously there will always be people who will have a predisposition to be shy or awkward socially, or any number of things which may have a negative impact on how they interact socially. But is it just a case of saying that this will always be inevitable, and that there is nothing that can be done on a fundamental level to improve it? How big is the issue and how do the people who say it's not a significant problem know that?

It's an interesting question and valid, and there are good people who slip through the net, as you call it. And for lots and lots of reasons. It must be very difficult for these people. But I don't think anything can be done ''collectively'' about it, as you ask. The ones with no empathy for people in that position are not really worth asking their opinions on it.
If a person is in that position they are going to have to deal with it at their individual level. That could mean many things, from broadening the social circle, to traveling, to finding flow activities they are passionate about, maybe in certain cases counselling, personal advice or mentoring of some sort.
Everyone has something they are dealing with, or at least very very few don't have some devil on their back. We have to face those devils ourselves. Well, that has been my experience - even very close people cannot fix the world for us, we have to try do it for ourselves.

mammajamma

Having been around, I think irish women can be a bit unapproachable, not always. Foreign women seem to be more up for the craic, but so is anyone when theyre abroad, right?

When it comes to non-Europeans, (and even some European states), its almost scary how nice they come across sometimes.

From 1 or 2 personal experiences, and others I know, there is this doubt about citizenship and setting up here. Seems to be a lot of americans hopping on this bandwagon too, looking to live here. It makes it very difficult to discern a genuine relationship versus a hidden angle.

You want women guaranteed to be all over you, head to mexico, for example. Just be European and youre all set. The equivalent of being a billionaire and having to wonder "are they only interested in my money?"

Personally, I'm done with non-Europeans. Its just a trust issue based on personal experience.

Pug160

Zorya wrote: »

It's an interesting question and valid, and there are good people who slip through the net, as you call it. And for lots and lots of reasons. It must be very difficult for these people. But I don't think anything can be done ''collectively'' about it, as you ask. The ones with no empathy for people in that position are not really worth asking their opinions on it.
If a person is in that position they are going to have to deal with it at their individual level. That could mean many things, from broadening the social circle, to traveling, to finding flow activities they are passionate about, maybe in certain cases counselling, personal advice or mentoring of some sort.
Everyone has something they are dealing with, or at least very very few don't have some devil on their back. We have to face those devils ourselves. Well, that has been my experience - even very close people cannot fix the world for us, we have to try do it for ourselves.

Oh I know we can help ourselves and we have to help ourselves. But my point was that it is our developing years that are the most important. If you get that right you don't need to play catch up in the first place. There are no silver bullets here - I'm aware of that. The mixed sex school topic comes up every so often and it appears to be quite polarised. But at least it's being discussed.

Church on Tuesday

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But yet, on these threads, we have posters tearing apart the looks of Irish women. I doubt every lad posting here doing that is an Adonis. Why does it seem to be fine to so many in these types of threads to rip apart the looks of Irish women but it’s apparently not okay for Irish women to be picky about looks? I mean, statistically, the majority of us posting here will be in the average looks department. Most people are.

I wasn't actually being serious.

You really can't say anything these days.

Bring back the "slow set"..was always guaranteed to break the ice. 😜

WillieMason

Its the rain and the fact everyone knows everyone

mammajamma

Nimmsnomms wrote: »

Irish women aren't unapproachable, I've approached many, some "successfully", some "unsuccessfully". What I actually regard as success is making the approach, not trying is the real failure, you can learn from "failure".

If you're getting bad reactions from women consistently, there's probably something you can do to improve. Examine your beliefs, do you see the approach as an opportunity for fun to interact with a unique individual, or is the woman you aproach an object to satisfy your ego. Do you smile when you approach, how relaxed are you, as a general rule of thumb whatever you feel she feels. If you're nervous she'll feel nervous, if you're relaxed and chatty; she'll be relaxed and chatty.

Its all generalisation, and I did say "sometimes", and as a comparison. I don't need tips with talking to women

When I observe irish women on their own, especially, they tend to have that "don't even think about it" demeanour. It cant all be my imagination!

But then I've had irish women come onto me a fair few times too, without looking for any attention at all. So maybe I look like a dour git on my own too, who knows?!

I remember when I was younger I just got it into my head one day that I didn't need to hang around with anyone, or join up with the lads to go out and meet women. Totally unlike me at the time, more reserved and laidback. Going out the first time completely on my todd felt "weird" at first. Not having someone to lean on etc.

Soon snapped out of it and confidence shot up to godly proportions (without ever being a ****head, just that "cool" understated confidence), and it was a phase that lasted a couple years. Good fun Now I've grown out of that too, into a "cant be bothered" phase. Meh, that's life.

But apparently that "cant be bothered" thing is attractive too! Basically, try-hards die hard :P

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I wasn't actually being serious.

You really can't say anything these days.

Meh, there was nothing about your post that particularly marked it out as a joke.

Church on Tuesday

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Meh, there was nothing about your post that particularly marked it out as a joke.

No harm done.

Fourier

Having worked in a few places, I honestly think Ireland is somewhere in the middle regarding how easily the genders gel and how approachable the opposite gender is.

In Southern and Central Europe I find the genders mix a good bit more easily than here and as others have said there tends to be less of "the men's group and the women's group".

However I've worked in places like Japan, where moving between groups marks you as some kind of social freak. I really never saw the genders mix outside of two couples going on a joint date. Especially so in rural Japan.

In parts of Nigeria it was similar, one place I was in they wouldn't even sit where the other gender tends to sit, even if they're not around.

Mister Vain

It doesn't help if the pubs/clubs are your only outlet for meeting women. I would say at least 90% of the women I have approached in this setting have been rude or dismissive. Now a lot of that may have been down to my approach, but after taking up some new hobbies I started to meet some really nice attractive Irish women in a relaxed environment. They were very friendly and easy to talk to. However if I was to approach those same women on a night out I would probably have a different opinion of them.

As far as relationships go, I would say there are pros and cons to dating foreign women. From my experience with eastern European women for example, they tend to have old fashioned gender roles. They expect the man to always pay on dates. They generally settle down at a younger age too. You would very rarely see a single Polish person in their 30's. I kind of like have a language barrier though because it forces you to be more direct. There are less mind games and its a lot easier to express an interest without coming across too forward.

ArchXStanton

Nimmsnomms wrote: »

Irish women aren't unapproachable, I've approached many, some "successfully", some "unsuccessfully". What I actually regard as success is making the approach, not trying is the real failure, you can learn from "failure".

If you're getting bad reactions from women consistently, there's probably something you can do to improve. Examine your beliefs, do you see the approach as an opportunity for fun to interact with a unique individual, or is the woman you aproach an object to satisfy your ego. Do you smile when you approach, how relaxed are you, as a general rule of thumb whatever you feel she feels. If you're nervous she'll feel nervous, if you're relaxed and chatty; she'll be relaxed and chatty.

There's still a societal expectation for men to do the approaching, hence the nervousness, a lot of the times we know we're putting our hands out to be slapped, equality my hole, equality without the responsibility more like

shady acres

since polish women started coming to ireland the irish women have to up their game big time

Gimme A Pound

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But yet, on these threads, we have posters tearing apart the looks of Irish women. I doubt every lad posting here doing that is an Adonis. Why does it seem to be fine to so many in these types of threads to rip apart the looks of Irish women but it’s apparently not okay for Irish women to be picky about looks? I mean, statistically, the majority of us posting here will be in the average looks department. Most people are.

Imagine a woman starting a thread going on about how sh1t men are. She would be (rightly) torn to pieces.

Redneck Culchie

Mister Vain wrote: »

It doesn't help if the pubs/clubs are your only outlet for meeting women. I would say at least 90% of the women I have approached in this setting have been rude or dismissive. Now a lot of that may have been down to my approach, but after taking up some new hobbies I started to meet some really nice attractive Irish women in a relaxed environment. They were very friendly and easy to talk to. However if I was to approach those same women on a night out I would probably have a different opinion of them.

As far as relationships go, I would say there are pros and cons to dating foreign women. From my experience with eastern European women for example, they tend to have old fashioned gender roles. They expect the man to always pay on dates. They generally settle down at a younger age too. You would very rarely see a single Polish person in their 30's. I kind of like have a language barrier though because it forces you to be more direct. There are less mind games and its a lot easier to express an interest without coming across too forward.

What sort of hobbies did you take up? My only outlet for meeting women is pubs/clubs and sometimes online dating. Its been suggested for me to go to meetup groups but outside Dublin where I am there is none. I may have to travel to Dublin to attend meetup events. Dating is even harder down the country, anyone in Dublin count yourself lucky where dating is concerned.

shady acres

Monserrat Itchy Verdigris wrote: »

Imagine a woman starting a thread going on about how sh1t men are. She would be (rightly) torn to pieces.

women don't start threads

givyjoe

Monserrat Itchy Verdigris wrote: »

Imagine a woman starting a thread going on about how sh1t men are. She would be (rightly) torn to pieces.

Because that's precisely what the op did. Christ.

Gimme A Pound

givyjoe wrote: »

Because that's precisely what the op did. Christ.

No but plenty of posts have done so.

Mrletsdothis

I find Irish girls very approachable. Once you face years of rejection you just get used to it in my opinion and for every 10 approaches you get one that goes well. All a numbers game.

SterlingArcher

Monserrat Itchy Verdigris wrote: »

Imagine a woman starting a thread going on about how sh1t men are. She would be (rightly) torn to pieces.

We'd hopefully take the piss. What is the issue?.

shady acres

SterlingArcher wrote: »

We'd hopefully take the piss. What is the issue?.

MISOGINI IS NOT A JOKING MATTER

Gimme A Pound

SterlingArcher wrote: »

We'd hopefully take the piss. What is the issue?.

You know full well plenty wouldn't - such dishonesty.

Wibbs

shady acres wrote: »

MISOGINI IS NOT A JOKING MATTER

It can and can't be, but at least get the spelling right. What with autocorrect and that: "Misogyny".

shady acres

Wibbs wrote: »

It can and can't be, but at least get the spelling right. What with autocorrect and that: "Misogyny".

no need to mansplain to me

Wibbs

shady acres wrote: »

no need to mansplain to me

:D Feck off SA.

Mister Vain

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

What sort of hobbies did you take up? My only outlet for meeting women is pubs/clubs and sometimes online dating. Its been suggested for me to go to meetup groups but outside Dublin where I am there is none. I may have to travel to Dublin to attend meetup events. Dating is even harder down the country, anyone in Dublin count yourself lucky where dating is concerned.

Mainly photography and car shows/motorsport. Facebook groups are great for finding people with similar interests. I've met a lot of people on Instagram too. I know what you mean about being outside Dublin though. There's feck all where I live too so I end up making frequent trips to the big shmoke. Well its about an hours drive so its not too bad but I do wish there was more stuff local.

Happy4all

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I am dating a Brazilian Lady and I have never been happier. I find that she is more direct than any Irish girl I have dated. If she has a problem she says so, its resolved. If I have a problem I say so, there's not drama or tears about it, it's resolved.

I dont think Irish women do it on purpose but there is always an element of pyshic ability required "Fine" means you are in trouble etc.

Generalisations are well, generalisations, but I've dated Irish girls and a few other different nationalities and just find other nationalities easier to communicate with.

Foreign ladies are absolutely more free sexually but I put that down to the Catholic education system here and social shaming. Our sexual education is so so poor in Ireland. It's a huge problem.

Where can I get a Brazilian?

Mister Vain

Happy4all wrote: »

Where can I get a Brazilian?

There seems to be loads on Tinder living in Dublin. Quite a few Asians too.

ArtSmart

Happy4all wrote: »

Where can I get a Brazilian?

Any beauty treatment center.







Warning - it hurtsssss

ArtSmart

re the OP post etc.

Irish in general are reserved, so are de Brits (though deffo less so)

So it's not so much X is more open abroad, - it's that we're relatively reserved.

Seen it in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Oz, The States. And I'm told the ex-communists/ communists SEA countries are the same. BOTH MEN AND WOMEN ARE MORE FORWARD. (Except Sweden apparently)

It aint them.

IT'S US.

professore

SusieBlue wrote: »

Any guys I know in a relationship with a foreign woman relies on the language barrier and cultural differences to hide the fact that they are not very nice, arrogant, judgemental assh*les with bad attitudes.

This of course, is just my own experience, and does not refer to ALL men in relationships with foreign women.
The guys I know would be of the opinion that Irish women are high maintenance, stuck up their own holes & a lot uglier than their continental counterparts, but the truth is, they could never get an Irish woman to stick around long enough to put up with their sh*t.

It was generally those guys the Irish women went for, and ended up married to Irish women. A lot of the cool Irish women I knew married foreign men, or married the above asshole Irish guys and bitterly regretted it, and many ended up divorced. On the other hand, most of the guys who married foreign women are still together.

professore

ArtSmart wrote: »

re the OP post etc.

Irish in general are reserved, so are de Brits (though deffo less so)

So it's not so much X is more open abroad, - it's that we're relatively reserved.

Seen it in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Oz, The States. And I'm told the ex-communists/ communists SEA countries are the same. BOTH MEN AND WOMEN ARE MORE FORWARD. (Except Sweden apparently)

It aint them.

IT'S US.

I don't find that at all. Irish people aren't reserved compared to Northern Europeans or the Brits. Compared to the latin countries maybe.

Daisy78

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

I agree. It will never happen me. But I've seen supposed "hardmen" turned into timid mice by Irish women. Frightening sight to see.

Or it could just be down to the women they choose in the first place. The high maintenance controlling type, I doubt these women had a personality change over night as soon as they got the ring on the finger.

Shenshen

professore wrote: »

I don't find that at all. Irish people aren't reserved compared to Northern Europeans or the Brits. Compared to the latin countries maybe.

They are when it comes to male-female interaction.
As I said before, back home having friends of both genders is the norm. Going out with a group means talking to and interacting with all members of the group, not just the ones that share your gender.

Here, my observations are that any "mixed" group separates into its male and female components at the first given opportunity on a night out, with the women talking to the women and the men talking to the men.
Anyone trying to cross that will be perceived as "trying to flirt" and expressing a sexual interest.

That's certainly not the norm in Germany at least, or at least not in my personal experience.

suicide_circus

Shenshen wrote: »

They are when it comes to male-female interaction.
As I said before, back home having friends of both genders is the norm. Going out with a group means talking to and interacting with all members of the group, not just the ones that share your gender.

Here, my observations are that any "mixed" group separates into its male and female components at the first given opportunity on a night out, with the women talking to the women and the men talking to the men.
Anyone trying to cross that will be perceived as "trying to flirt" and expressing a sexual interest.

That's certainly not the norm in Germany at least, or at least not in my personal experience.

in Germany I doubt there was ever a time when members of the clergy supervised dances and literally went round the dance floor with a measuring ruler ensuring that people dancing together maintained a sufficient distance from their partner in order to avoid the danger of sexual arousal.

Shenshen

suicide_circus wrote: »

in Germany I doubt there was ever a time when members of the clergy supervised dances and literally went round the dance floor with a measuring ruler ensuring that people dancing together maintained a sufficient distance from their partner in order to avoid the danger of sexual arousal.

There was, when my mother was young.

However, I do believe the question was around how approachable the Irish are as compared to other countries, not who's to blame either way

Wibbs

Daisy78 wrote: »

Or it could just be down to the women they choose in the first place. The high maintenance controlling type, I doubt these women had a personality change over night as soon as they got the ring on the finger.

Exactly. I've seen the dynamic in a few couples and it was pretty obvious from the outside in nearly every case. Not just controlling women either. When the love/lust drug is running strong people tend to ignore the red flags. Or they drift into the same dynamic they grew up with. The old men marry their ma, women marry their da kinda thing. It feels comfortable, even if it's anything but. Plus in a fair percentage of such relationships the put upon partner simply gets lazy after the wedding cake has gone stale and leaves the heavy lifting in decisions and the like to the other.

Shenshen wrote: »

There was, when my mother was young.

However, I do believe the question was around how approachable the Irish are as compared to other countries, not who's to blame either way

It's Ireland SS, if in doubt, always blame the Catholics and their Church. It's the lazy dumping ground explanation and excuse for damned near every negative seen in Irish culture.

Never mind that many if not most here grew up in an Ireland where the church's influence had long waned. No 25 year old today grew up with nuns with rulers measuring the distance couples were dancing at. Hell 25 year olds didn't grow up with slow sets. I went through my early teens in the early 80's and went to a Catholic school and attended school discos and the like and there was none of that stuff going on.

Never mind that these superior "Latin lovers" of either gender hail from cultures where the same Church is not nearly so lambasted, or used as a cultural dumping ground.

Actually a memory came up from the depths of what passes for my mind... Back in the mid 80's I was in France, Paris to be precise and ended up in an oul dishco, as you do. And one of the abiding memories(other than local music I'd not heard of) was the late teens guys and gals hanging out very separately in groups of various sizes. The Irish lads I was with had a conversation about how kinda odd that was compared to back home. With the addition of surprise because we would have thought the French would have been more cosmopolitan, less uptight and all that compared to us dreadful oiks from the island province. There's still an element of that going on IMHO.

suicide_circus

ah listen now. the Irish Catholic church was a reflection of pre existing society, I'm not blaming the church

Shenshen

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually a memory came up from the depths of what passes for my mind... Back in the mid 80's I was in France, Paris to be precise and ended up in an oul dishco, as you do. And one of the abiding memories(other than local music I'd not heard of) was the late teens guys and gals hanging out very separately in groups of various sizes. The Irish lads I was with had a conversation about how kinda odd that was compared to back home. With the addition of surprise because we would have thought the French would have been more cosmopolitan, less uptight and all that compared to us dreadful oiks from the island province. There's still an element of that going on IMHO.

That's where my personal experiences reach their limits, I'm afraid. I've been to one disco when I was 11 or 12, and have avoided them and nightclubs like the plague since then. I could never stand the volume of the music (I'm fine at concerts, I just don't get why you'd want your eardrums burst by recorded music), nor the fact that all you could do was stand around until your feet hurt, and look at people through dim lights. No chance of having a conversation with anyone.

So when I'm talking about a group on a night out, I'd usually mean going to the pub to eat, drink and chat.

Fourier

Shenshen wrote: »

That's where my personal experiences reach their limits, I'm afraid. I've been to one disco when I was 11 or 12, and have avoided them and nightclubs like the plague since then. I could never stand the volume of the music (I'm fine at concerts, I just don't get why you'd want your eardrums burst by recorded music), nor the fact that all you could do was stand around until your feet hurt, and look at people through dim lights. No chance of having a conversation with anyone.

So when I'm talking about a group on a night out, I'd usually mean going to the pub to eat, drink and chat.

If I've the same experiences of discos as Wibbs, the music wouldn't have been eardrum bursting loud and one didn't really just stand around, you danced. I used to love them.

*change to sepia tone and cue 80s music*

Shenshen

Fourier wrote: »

If I've the same experiences of discos as Wibbs, the music wouldn't have been eardrum bursting loud and one didn't really just stand around, you danced. I used to love them.

*change to sepia tone and cue 80s music*

There's very few things in life I hate more than dancing... as I said, this is outside my area of personal experience, I couldn't say if there's a difference between how people here or abroad behave in nightclubs.