England v S Africa 3rd Nov Match thread

That's as blatant a penalty against England as you can get.

cameramonkey

Both sides trying to lose it now.

Muscles Schultz

Both teams utterly pathetic and will be easy meat for Eire if we cross paths with them in the WC

This is one of the worst games I've seen at this level.

England shouldn't be within an arses roar of South Africa and that's not to say anything positive about South Africa, they've been inventive enough but in no way clinical.

I can't believe how bad England are. They're just going through the motions, lack of intensity and structure but enough quality in the 23 that they are keeping a poor South African team just about at bay.

If they play like this against New Zealand they'll ship 30 points.

eigrod

Why didn’t they go for the dg?

Clegg

That was the game for SA. England were on the ropes and losing metres every phase.

Utter cowardice from South Africa. Take the drop.

Clegg

Sorry that's a shoulder charge from Farrell.

stephen_n

Surely that’s a penalty

Clegg

The ref has bottled that completely.

Clegg

The ref has bottled that completely.

vienne86

That's shocking. Farrell shouldn't have got away with that.

mark_jmc

No balls from the ref

Eoinbmw

Thats a disgrace!

Squidgy Black

That was absolutely filthy from Farrell.

blackcard

That was a tackle???

Kiith

Utter bull**** from the ref.

D.Q

Farrell is a ****ing scumbag

mangobob

Farrell you lucky boy.

vienne86

Well that was awful. England were rubbish, though they got better in the end, but SA should have won that by a country mile. Frustrating stuff to watch.

stephen_n

England didn’t win that game, SA very poor decision making through out the game.

cameramonkey

They woz robbed

Turtwig

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Can someone explain that wrap in the far side remark?

irishbucsfan

Looked fine to me. But England are lucky here and you'd have to be very worried as an England fan

Buer

Won my SA handicap bet but that final decision was an utter disgrace. On first viewing I was thinking Farrell will be banned for a few weeks. Absolutely no logic in it not being a penalty at least.

Hmmm.

Really not sure about that, trying to remove my innate bias from what I saw - but I'd have given a penalty for that.

I think if that wasn't an opportunity to steal the win at the death it would have been given.

Jones will survive now which is a positive I guess.

irishbucsfan

Turtwig wrote: »

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Can someone explain that wrap in the far side remark?

You don't have to wrap, you have to make an attempt to wrap. Ref saw the video and saw Farrell's arm coming around to wrap (which it did) and concluded that was enough for him.

Squidgy Black

I can't see either of these teams causing any trouble at the world cup if they play like that

Inspector Coptoor

Cipriani got a red vs Munster and he was backing away from the tackle.

Farrell absolutely busts Esterhuizen with the shoulder and no penalty, no yellow and no red.

Pathetic.

The inconsistency in reffing would grind your gears

leakyboots

That's a pretty shocking call from the ref.

Leaving that aside, SA will be kicking themselves, 76% possession in the first half, overthrew 3 or 4 lineouts in the English 22. Plus the missed kick, didn't go for a drop at the end.

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

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Can someone explain that wrap in the far side remark?

He was attempting to wrap, which he was. Very poor execution, though.

Try_harder

Bull 💩 decision No Wrap around!

Akrasia

That last tackle was a yellow card. Utterly awful decision from the Ref and TMO

De Allende should be motm.

England celebrating a bit too much.

ScrubsfanChris

eigrod wrote: »

Why didn’t they go for the dg?

They pulled a New Zealand

Try_harder

Basil3 wrote: »

He was attempting to wrap, which he was. Very poor execution, though.

He led with his shoulder

mangobob

I don't think we learned much about either side there. Weird game.

Inspector Coptoor

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Cipriani got a red vs Munster and he was backing away from the tackle.

Farrell absolutely busts Esterhuizen with the shoulder and no penalty, no yellow and no red.

Pathetic.

The inconsistency in reffing would grind your gears

Cipriani's was shoulder to the head

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I can't see either of these teams causing any trouble at the world cup if they play like that

Regardless, when it gets to the Knockout stage, either of these teams can beat anyone in the world.

leakyboots

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I can't see either of these teams causing any trouble at the world cup if they play like that

South Africa will if they get a bit more streetwise (don't balls up lineouts in the red zone, take the drop goal if its on etc)... which I think they will knowing Rassie and Nienaber.

irishbucsfan

Try_harder wrote: »

He led with his shoulder

That's not illegal

Try_harder

Try_harder wrote: »

He led with his shoulder

The question was about the wrap, nothing to do with shoulder.

Try_harder

irishbucsfan wrote: »

That's not illegal

No real attempt to tackle

irishbucsfan

Basil3 wrote: »

Regardless, when it gets to the Knockout stage, either of these teams can beat anyone in the world.

Yeah, both seem like teams who can win close games. England proved that today I guess although I think the very best sides should feel capable of getting ahead of England.

Richard Hillman

It was the clearest, easiest decision that could have been made. How the **** has he not given it?

irishbucsfan

Try_harder wrote: »

No real attempt to tackle

You mean an attempt to wrap, and there was.

pc7

Came on here to ask, how I’m God’s green earth did Farrell get away with that? Any ref in here think it wasn’t a card?

Inspector Coptoor

Deleted User wrote: »

Cipriani's was shoulder to the head

It was head to shoulder.

There’s a difference.

shootermacg

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You mean an attempt to wrap, and there was.

Put back on your specs, that's a peno all day every day!

Richard Hillman

The decision at the end will be a big taking point but not going for the drop goal a few minutes before was also ridiculous