Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

Omackeral

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have taken the mod note to mean ...

And you've the audacity to go on about selective quoting. You're an out and out hypocrite.

Omackeral

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I will take my leave.

:eek:

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

It is my opinion that he incited hatred deliberately by making this quite false and generalised remark.

Your opinion is not proof.

mickdw

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have taken the mod note to mean 'if my next post is about incitement to hate'.

Lol.
Your ability to deflect, misrepresent and troll all nicely bundled into a single statement there.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion is not proof.

This is a discussion forum, not a court. We all have our opinions, we post them in good faith and others argue their opinions. I haven't reported one post on this entire site just because I don't agree with it, ever. I have reported abuse and trolling though.

If that is not acceptable to you. Fair enough, shouts for Casey's rights to free speech sound a bit hollow and are more - 'free speech for those who I agree with' though.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion is not proof.

mickdw wrote: »

Lol.
Your ability to deflect, misrepresent and troll all nicely bundled into a single statement there.

I may have misunderstood the mod note. Corrected either way.

Roger Hassenforder

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One traveller family has asked for stables and a field to keep their horses as part of a deal with Tipp Co Co.to give up living accommodation they have been in for 50 years and which they say they are happy with.

And again we get the 'generalisation' that they are all doing it. As well as the claim that all of them are sulky driving on primary routes.

You sure this is unprecedented Francie?

PlaneSpeeking

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You sure this is unprecedented Francie?

Not in the slightest. Be nice if it was!

Mr. CooL ICE

Mod: FrancieBrady has been given a short holiday and won't be posting in this thread again.

Please stop responding to his posts as he is unable to reply.

Roger Hassenforder

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Not in the slightest. Be nice if it was!

I'm wondering does he genuinely not have a clue.

Nevermind

Uncharted

Anyone see Caseys tweet on travellers?

KrustyUCC

No

What did he say?

Uncharted

I only heard Joe Duffy mention it at 2.55. Checked Casey's Twitter and no sign of said tweet.
Apparently a video involving travellers.

Cue gratuitous tut-tutting from Joe Duffy

:rolleyes:

Roger Hassenforder

Uncharted wrote: »

I only heard Joe Duffy mention it at 2.55. Checked Casey's Twitter and no sign of said tweet.
Apparently a video involving travellers.

Cue gratuitous tut-tutting from Joe Duffy

:rolleyes:

Is it the one a few pages back?
More a dig at the late late than travellers

KrustyUCC

Just looking now something about a video being deleted

Funny these are some of Caseys tweets

"We are all one nation and one people. I don't separate one group over another. I beleive we are all Irish #latelate

I have no animosity towards travellers. To say I was victimizing them is incorrect #latelate

Ruraldweller56

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is it the one a few pages back?
More a dig at the late late than travellers

Bottom of page 125. Comedy gold

KrustyUCC

Peter Casey's former PR firm says it has nothing to do with Traveller video he tweeted
PR firm Bannerton says the video was “mistakenly retweeted” by its account.

https://www.thejournal.ie/peter-casey-tweet-bannerton-4339395-Nov2018/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

This is the video that was tweeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsGeQkqTb4

erica74

BarryD2 wrote: »

Maybe you're not asking in the right place? My own thoughts are that there's good and bad in terms of what might be called 'traveller culture'.

Some of the good points are:
- very close family units
- 'traditional' values
- some traveller families kept oral story telling and traditional music traditions alive when they were unpopular with official Ireland
- live more lightly on the earth in terms of use of resources over lifetime, compared to many settled people.

Some bad points are:
- many seem to have a total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish.
- petty thieving and fighting
- women have more constrained roles
- little effort made to contribute to society as a whole and help support the state.

On the whole these days, I think it's fair to say that travellers are being slowly subsumed into settled society and there's no real need or value to preserve whatever value once existed. Indeed the very idea of investing additional money in their 'culture' is counter productive to the idea of preserving it anyway.

Thank you for having the balls to actually answer.

Close family units means cousins marrying cousins and children left with serious health issues, which we are then expected to pick up the tab for, and they also use poor health as one of the things they whinge about when they're whinging about discrimination
What are "traditional" values?
Do you know where this oral story telling and traditional music takes place?
Live more lightly on the earth? They wreck everything they touch, they strip PURPOSE BUILT accommodation, which we pay for, of anything which can be sold, new accommodation is then demanded and provided by our muppet government

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

BarryD2 wrote: »

Maybe you're not asking in the right place? My own thoughts are that there's good and bad in terms of what might be called 'traveller culture'.

Some of the good points are:
- very close family units
- 'traditional' values
- some traveller families kept oral story telling and traditional music traditions alive when they were unpopular with official Ireland
- live more lightly on the earth in terms of use of resources over lifetime, compared to many settled people.

Some bad points are:
- many seem to have a total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish.
- petty thieving and fighting
- women have more constrained roles
- little effort made to contribute to society as a whole and help support the state.

On the whole these days, I think it's fair to say that travellers are being slowly subsumed into settled society and there's no real need or value to preserve whatever value once existed. Indeed the very idea of investing additional money in their 'culture' is counter productive to the idea of preserving it anyway.

Doesn't "live more lightly on the earth" conflict with "total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish"? Also, some Travellers have built enormous mansions of houses, drive large vehicles, and have more children than settled people. The average Traveller couple have 5 children. I'd say Travellers consume more resources on average than others.

And how do they reconcile having close family units with their violent feuding?

By "traditional values" I assume you mean religious values -- but that's not necessarily a Traveller-specific thing. It's just that the rest of the country has a markedly different relationship to religion now than it did in the 1980s, while Travellers haven't moved on to the same extent.

The only thing above that could be used to justify any cultural contribution is the oral storytelling and traditional music ... and I don't see these as parts of Traveller culture, at least not anymore.

tretorn

Of course the Gardai who are being portrayed s dirt under our fingernails at the moment are being sent to Drogheda to protect local residents.

There are vicious people arriving from the UK and while I couldnt careless about feuding travellers Gardai and innocent law abiding people could be killed or injured.

Moneymore sounds like hell, imagine a decent person having to rear their children there.

BattleCorp

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

This is the video that was tweeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsGeQkqTb4

That's very funny.

JMNolan

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's very funny.

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

JMNolan

JMNolan wrote: »

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

#jesuiscasey

Roger Hassenforder

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

#jesuiscasey

That looks like Jesus Casey!
Is he the Messiah?
(Or a very naughty boy?)

SexBobomb

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

That looks like Jesus Casey!
Is he the Messiah?
(Or a very naughty boy?)

He is the Messiah ! I know a Messiah when I see one, I've followed a few.

PlaneSpeeking

SexBobomb wrote: »

He is the Messiah ! I know a Messiah when I see one, I've followed a few.

How should we f**k off oh Lord ????

God I love that film, even though a nun told me I would burn in Hell for all eternity for listening to the soundtrack on tape! Though tbh she said that about anything from being late to the time I came in with a white stripe on my nose a la Adam Ant!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

JMNolan wrote: »

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

Most of the people screaming "racism!" about that video probably don't realize that the "offensive" audio is lifted directly from a genuine call-out video by Big Joe Joyce. Somehow it's "racist" now to repeat a Traveller's own words?

KrustyUCC

Hmmm maybe it spreading ...

Over €1m spent on travelling community in Clare since 2016

A total of €1,259,103 has been spent by the Council since 2016 and the local authority expects this figure to rise to €1,363,407 by the end of the year. The expenditure is towards accommodation, maintenance, waste collection, security, legal costs and illegal encampment.

Independent councillor, Gerry Flynn outlined his frustration with the amount of Council money being spent on travellers at a meeting of the local authority on Monday. “Where is this money coming from? There are a lot of other constructive ways we could be spending this money. It is a sizeable amount of money in the face of people accusing us of doing nothing”.

https://www.clareecho.ie/e1m-spent-travelling-community-clare-since-2016/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A total of €1,259,103 has been spent by the Council since 2016 and the local authority expects this figure to rise to €1,363,407 by the end of the year. The expenditure is towards accommodation, maintenance, waste collection, security, legal costs and illegal encampment.

I wonder what the figure is nationally.

I expect the activities of this "ethnic minority" cost the taxpayer many millions per annum -- and yet the likes of Tubridy won't tolerate any criticism of them.