Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

Roger Hassenforder

Judge having none of it:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/judge-throws-out-compo-claim-and-tells-accident-prone-driver-i-just-cannot-believe-a-word-you-have-said-889558.html

Jerichoholic

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Judge having none of it:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/judge-throws-out-compo-claim-and-tells-accident-prone-driver-i-just-cannot-believe-a-word-you-have-said-889558.html

“I am embarrassed to say it, but I need help going into the shower because of the accident.”

I don't think that has anything to do with the accident.

mikemac2

Edward McDonagh & Jim McDonagh in Ennis district court.

I wonder if they are anything to Gerry McDonagh who was also in Ennis District last week, we had a thread here about Gerry. 10 crashes since 2012

Judge Keys also threw out that case. Poor Judge must getting sick of the same claims and the same surnames

Roger Hassenforder

mikemac2 wrote: »

Edward McDonagh & Jim McDonagh in Ennis district court

I wonder if they are anything to Gerry McDonagh who was also in Ennis District last week, we had a thread here about Gerry. 10 crashes since 2012

Judge Keys also threw out that case. Poor Judge must getting sick of the same claims and the same surnames

I reckon its just a coincidence...

893bet

mikemac2 wrote: »

Edward McDonagh & Jim McDonagh in Ennis district court.

I wonder if they are anything to Gerry McDonagh who was also in Ennis District last week, we had a thread here about Gerry. 10 crashes since 2012

Judge Keys also threw out that case. Poor Judge must getting sick of the same claims and the same surnames

Yes they are related. They are second cousin uncles.

Plumbthedepths

Roger Hassenforder wrote:

Judge having none of it:

I like the line "i'm a God fearing man and don't tell lies" I wonder was the judge able to keep a straight face when he heard that howler.

erica74

Jerichoholic wrote: »

“I am embarrassed to say it, but I need help going into the shower because of the accident.”

I don't think that has anything to do with the accident.

Under cross examination from Emmett O’Brien BL, Mr McDonagh denied that he was lying. Mr McDonagh said: “I’m a God fearing man. I wouldn’t tell lies.”

:pac:

He said: “I wouldn’t call it a feud because I have never been convicted on any charges of a feud.”

They can't normally string a sentence together but they're wordsmiths when it comes to this sort of vernacular.

In evidence, Garda Stephen Kelly said that he was stationed in Ennis at the time and policed the McDonagh feud. He said: “I do recall we were stationed more or less in the estate around the clock for a number of weeks and months.”

A fine use of taxpayer money and gardai. I wonder how many homes and businesses around Ennis were broken into during that period of time? I wonder did the travellers use the around the clock garda presence to their advantage?

Graniteville

mynamejeff wrote: »

i believe that they were eastern Europeans

travellers wouldnt work for their loot

Nope, definitely lowlife travellers and this mornings incident between Gardai and criminal travelers was related.

Edward M

Graniteville wrote: »

Nope, definitely lowlife travellers and this mornings incident between Gardai and criminal travelers was related.

A certain traveller owns the premises the vans were found in, and has a house on the road last nights incident took place.
A friend today told me there was footage of last nights incident on Facebook, but it has now been removed.
They were playing the oppressed and harrassed by gardai card on it apparently.

Edward M

Footage of last nights incident on Youtube.
Distressing, don't watch if squeamish.
I'm not going to post the link.
Go to Youtube and search, garda shoots at traveller.

freshpopcorn

There's a special Prime Time Investigates's Travellers, Lives on the Fringes on Wednesday night a 9:35. I think it features Peter Casey's voice in the ad.(I'd doubt he'd be on it tough.)

Andrew00

Tis our culture boss

Andrew00

The Bobby ding dongs

KrustyUCC

freshpopcorn wrote: »

There's a special Prime Time Investigates's Travellers, Lives on the Fringes on Wednesday night a 9:35. I think it features Peter Casey's voice in the ad.(I'd doubt he'd be on it tough.)

Travellers - Lives On The Fringes
In a six-month investigation, due to air tonight, RTÉ Investigates reveals the reality of life behind the crisis in Traveller accommodation in Ireland today.

Data: Accommodation type

During the presidential election campaign in October Peter Casey described Travellers as "basically people who are camping on other people's land". In fact, most Travellers live in houses and 95% live in houses or on official halting sites. The traditional nomadic life has been virtually outlawed since the passage of the so-called Trespass Act in 2002 which made trespass a criminal offence for the first time.

Tullamore-based veteran Fine Gael Councillor Tommy McKeigue, opposed the 2014 halting site proposal. Although he is supportive of group housing for Travellers, he says he doesn't believe in halting sites.

"The answer is a house. I wouldn't agree to more halting sites in Tullamore town, I believe we have played our part. I believe that housing is the way forward for the Travellers and use the halting site they have as transition to housing and that is the way I want to go," Cllr McKeigue said.

When questioned if this could amount to forced assimilation, Cllr McKeigue said: "No it is a fair way of doing things that you are getting people into a settled way of living."

When RTÉ Investigates first met Patrick McInerney in October, he had moved illegally onto a disused construction site in Tullamore. When we went back a week later, the family had already been moved on - the site was blocked up and a single security guard sat in a car outside the main entrance, to stop any further unauthorised entry. The Traveller families, ten in all, had relocated to a Retail Park not far away. They lasted four days there before receiving an eviction notice posted to their caravan doors. That notice warned them of prosecution under a provision of the so-called 2002 Trespass Act, which made trespass a criminal offence for the first time.

Under that Act Gardaí can evict without a written notice and if the trespassers refuse to leave they can confiscate their caravans or vehicles.

It is one of a number of laws that Councils can use to evict people and it is the most feared by Travellers, because it allows the State to confiscate a family home without going to court.

https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2018/1217/1017612-travellers-in-local-authorities-data/

Going to be a love in programme from RTE I'd say

sbsquarepants

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The traditional nomadic life has been virtually outlawed since the passage of the so-called Trespass Act in 2002 which made trespass a criminal offence for the first time.

Why "so called"

Why should any group of people be allowed to just move in and decide to live on someone else's land?

Get yourself a caravan and park it in your neighbours garden, hang your clothes on their bushes, burn copper wire on their lawn.

How long do you think they should be legally forced to tolerate you?

Grayson

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Why "so called"

Why should any group of people be allowed to just move in and decide to live on someone else's land?

Get yourself a caravan and park it in your neighbours garden, hang your clothes on their bushes, burn copper wire on their lawn.

How long do you think they should be legally forced to tolerate you?

I'm assuming that's not it's official name and it's what people refer to it as.

AllForIt

Don't you just love the timing of this (RTE Investigates). 6 days before xmas day. Suitably festive. You do feel sometimes that there are a cohort of ppl hell bent on making everyone above the social class of the underclass feel guilty for what they have, as if if your not the underclass then everything is honky dorky in your life. This week I've never heard so much about the homeless. Every xmas the homeless the homeless the homeless and this year seems to be worse than ever. I take note of this every year and I guarantee you in the first week of January you won't hear a squeak about the homeless. Not a squeak.

Xmas is supposed to be a time of happiness but the fooking socialists come out of the woodwork the one time you don't when them too because that is their tactic and always has been. They are driven to ruin everything for everyone by making you feel as guilty as possible. I wish the'd all fook off to China and stay there.

sbsquarepants

Grayson wrote: »

I'm assuming that's not it's official name and it's what people refer to it as.

Oh sorry, my bad.
I took you up wrong so - I thought you were opposed to it for some reason.

Plumbthedepths

AllForIt wrote:

Don't you just love the timing of this (RTE Investigates). 6 days before xmas day. Suitably festive. You do feel sometimes that there are a cohort of ppl hell bent on making everyone above the social class of the underclass feel guilty for what they have, as if if your not the underclass then everything is honky dorky in your life. This week I've never heard so much about the homeless. Every xmas the homeless the homeless the homeless and this year seems to be worse than ever. I take note of this every year and I guarantee you in the first week of January you won't hear a squeak about the homeless. Not a squeak.

RTE loves the misery stuff tbh. Just look at the LLS or any talk show on RTE. None to be watched if feeling vulnerable. Best to avoid RTE if you value your own sense of happiness.

Grayson

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Oh sorry, my bad.
I took you up wrong so - I thought you were opposed to it for some reason.

I hadn't posted that. I just saw the so called bit and figured that's what it meant.

But yeah, laws against trespassing are fine. I don't think anyone would argue that. Even settled travellers who own land would want a way to get rid of someone who just rocks up and sets up camp on it.

Carlingford Locked

It's just going to be a doc showing how hard travellers have it and how we should feel sorry for them. RTE are hardly going to expose them for the inbred charlatans that they are. Do us all a favour and don't give RTE the ratings by watching it.

Grayson

AllForIt wrote: »

Don't you just love the timing of this (RTE Investigates). 6 days before xmas day. Suitably festive. You do feel sometimes that there are a cohort of ppl hell bent on making everyone above the social class of the underclass feel guilty for what they have, as if if your not the underclass then everything is honky dorky in your life. This week I've never heard so much about the homeless. Every xmas the homeless the homeless the homeless and this year seems to be worse than ever. I take note of this every year and I guarantee you in the first week of January you won't hear a squeak about the homeless. Not a squeak.

Xmas is supposed to be a time of happiness but the fooking socialists come out of the woodwork the one time you don't when them too because that is their tactic and always has been. They are driven to ruin everything for everyone by making you feel as guilty as possible. I wish the'd all fook off to China and stay there.

You don't have to watch it you know. Should RTE only show happy movies? Should there be no programs where people die? And are you saying that during xmas we shouldn't think of people less fortunate? Xmas is the time to forget the less fortunate and stick our heads in the sand?

Considering the xmas narrative is of a pregnant woman with no place to stay, it's kind of ironic not to think of the homeless.

KrustyUCC

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Why "so called"

Why should any group of people be allowed to just move in and decide to live on someone else's land?

Get yourself a caravan and park it in your neighbours garden, hang your clothes on their bushes, burn copper wire on their lawn.

How long do you think they should be legally forced to tolerate you?

It's RTE called it the so called trespass law

I have no issue with it

Should be used more in fact

The famous Margaret Cash has fallen foul of it

"TRESPASSING ARREST Homeless mum Margaret Cash tells how she was arrested after trying to live in caravan in abandoned yard

Margaret and her kids made international headlines this week after she released photos of her family having to sleep overnight on hard chairs in a Garda station

“I bought a caravan when I first became homeless, in the month of September. Most of my family help me pay for it.

“I moved into the caravan in Tallaght but the Garda were moving us round from one place to another place.

“The guards wouldn’t let us stay anywhere. We were moving from camp to camp, we were staying on the side of the road, and they were telling us to move off everywhere that we went.

“Eventually I ended up getting arrested, down in the caravan and I got done for breaking and entering to an abandoned place and putting a caravan in.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2972064/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-arrested-caravan/

Jerichoholic

There's a thing called "the law", they have no regard for it. You can't just live anywhere you like.

Deebles McBeebles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2018/1217/1017612-travellers-in-local-authorities-data/

Going to be a love in programme from RTE I'd say

Most likely. I don't really get the point of it tbh. We know how they live, they choose to do so in many cases. I accept some are properly homeless but the numbers in comparison to the general population must be miniscule, so why not document the whole issue?

I'll still watch it if there's nothing else on. Might be nice after Arsenal and Spurs throw handbags for 90 mins.

RTE have done a few decent documentaries recently to be fair, watched the steroids one and the waste one and both were very good. Shocked me as much as anyone.

Has Michael D released the accounts yet? I thought he said it would be done in November.

Melodeon

Grayson wrote: »

I'm assuming that's not it's official name and it's what people refer to it as.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it's this:
The Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994, Part IIA (Offences Relating to Entering and Occupying Land Without Consent), Section 19C (Entry on and occupation of land or bringing onto or placing an object on land without consent), as amended by Section 24 of The Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act, 2002.

RTÉ being disingenuous calling an actual act in law “so called”. Shows their true colours though.

Ruraldweller56

Grayson wrote: »

I hadn't posted that. I just saw the so called bit and figured that's what it meant.

But yeah, laws against trespassing are fine. I don't think anyone would argue that. Even settled travellers who own land would want a way to get rid of someone who just rocks up and sets up camp on it.

I hate the way settled people and Amish just rock up to halting sites and dump their rubbish in the middle of it and then the travellers get blamed.

Plumbthedepths

Ruraldweller56 wrote:

I hate the way settled people and Amish just rock up to halting sites and dump their rubbish in the middle of it and then the travellers get blamed.

Ahhh...those two posters ( I won't identify them as that would not be fair) the gift that keeps on giving.