Cheap Broadband, for light use.

NewClareman

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is only €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges.

It gives up to 24Mb/s Speeds (I get 19Mb/s), with 'Unlimited' Downloads. I don't know their fair usage policy, but I've had no problems for the last 3 months for usage that includes about 1-2 hours streaming, per day, of (legal) HD content.

NewClareman

OmegaGene wrote: »

Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months.
I only have the fibre broadband in my area but the service is spot on and you can change names on the bill every 12 months to get the offer year on year.
Great speed for 4K Netflix etc last month I used 600gb of data lol

I agree that there are many great lead-in offers, right now. However, having to change details, every year, is a pain.
I don’t have a UHD TV, so the offer I posted works well for me.
At €30pm, without discount, it is the cheapest I’ve seen.

Former Former

€30 euro pm for 24 MB is no bargain, not in 2018 anyway.

go4it

the magnet fatpipe fibre offer seems to me that is broadband delivered by phone line ( it's up to 24 Mbps , and you need a phone line to check your availability )
@NewClareman : can you confirm this broadband is delivered through phone line, and the word FIBRE is added to the package title just to be in-line with the 2018 technologies?

@regarding the speeds and download allowance : in real terms, a medium size ISP could allow a 1TB download cap easily, and reduce your speed to 5Mbps afterwards, just to slow you down.

When comparing broadband offers, some of us are more interested in upload speed , ping times to europe/usa during the 17:00-23:00 time slots

For example i'm ok with 240Mbps from virgin media , but i would love to have 80-100Mbps upload for the same money . ( when streaming HD through VPN , the uploads counts a lot )

Joshua J

Pure are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation.

L1011

I can't see how they can vaguely get away with calling this fiber.

Its ADSL2+, a more than fifteen year old technology. Its copper all the way from the exchange to the house. No other provider lies so blatantly about it that I'm aware of.

The main products that claim to be fiber and aren't - VDSL and DOCSIS (Cable) are at least fiber to the cabinet, in my case both the VDSL and cable cabinets are beside each other at the end of the road. Eir FTTH and Siro are the only actual fiber products.

"up to 8" is ADSL1, "up to 24" is ADSL2+, "up to 80" is VDSL and "up to 100" is vectored VDSL with anything above that either DOCSIS or FTTH.

lawred2

NewClareman wrote: »

I agree that there are many great lead-in offers, right now. However, having to change details, every year, is a pain.
I don’t have a UHD TV, so the offer I posted works well for me.
At €30pm, without discount, it is the cheapest I’ve seen.

seriously?

takes a couple of minutes at most

L1011

lawred2 wrote: »

seriously?

takes a couple of minutes at most

Not if changing technologies completely, only really if going between DSL providers on an existing line

Installer required for the first go on VDSL/FTTH/cable. Router replacements. Reprogramming everything else in the house (unless all set static or you have a seperate DHCP server). I would need to change file server, printer, lighting controller settings and so on.

redcup342

NewClareman wrote: »

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is only €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges.

It gives up to 24Mb/s Speeds (I get 19Mb/s), with 'Unlimited' Downloads. I don't know their fair usage policy, but I've had no problems for the last 3 months for usage that includes about 1-2 hours streaming, per day, of (legal) HD content.

The only thing nice about magnet was that it's contract free, so you can have it only for as long as you need it.

I was in Ireland for 6 months and got it into the house for that period only, no contract to try and get out of

lawred2

L1011 wrote: »

Not if changing technologies completely, only really if going between DSL providers on an existing line

Installer required for the first go on VDSL/FTTH/cable. Router replacements. Reprogramming everything else in the house (unless all set static or you have a seperate DHCP server). I would need to change file server, printer, lighting controller settings and so on.

that's definitely true - but you won't ever be in a situation where you are changing your physical connectivity once every year. It's clear that post was speaking about changing details on retail accounts with resellers..

Jameswhalley

Joshua J wrote: »

Pure are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation.

Can you get that on fttc

Is is the same product as the eir and vf equivalent

Jameswhalley

How do you go about changing your details with your existing provider if you want to renew a deal?

How long before the contract is up do you need to do it?

Jameswhalley

What if you don't have a maiden name

Can you just change your first name?

Joshua J

Jameswhalley wrote: »

Can you get that on fttc

Is is the same product as the eir and vf equivalent

Yeah they just re-sell on eir infrastructure. Got this deal last week myself, only for the broadband had no need for the phone.

NewClareman

go4it wrote: »

@NewClareman : can you confirm this broadband is delivered through phone line, and the word FIBRE is added to the package title just to be in-line with the 2018 technologies?

It is delivered using FTTC - i.e. fibre to the estate, with copper into the home. This is the same technology as used by most products, other than Virgin Media.

No landline is needed and there is no line rental charge.

lawred2

Jameswhalley wrote: »

What if you don't have a maiden name

Can you just change your first name?

use a middle name

Fann Linn

Jameswhalley wrote: »

What if you don't have a maiden name

Can you just change your first name?

Or the Irish version.

Jameswhalley

Joshua J wrote: »

Yeah they just re-sell on eir infrastructure. Got this deal last week myself, only for the broadband had no need for the phone.

What's their fair usage policy ?

Joshua J

Jameswhalley wrote: »

What's their fair usage policy ?

Unlimited.

Unlike some providers, Pure Telecom does not apply either a fair usage policy or traffic management, allowing you to download as much as you want, whenever you want - this means Pure Telecom’s plans are ideal for people who love to game online, download and stream content.

https://switcher.ie/broadband/providers/pure-telecom/

Jameswhalley

Joshua J wrote: »

Unlimited.



https://switcher.ie/broadband/providers/pure-telecom/

Im just off the phone to pure

They told me they've a 1TB cap and they charge per MB after that

NewClareman

OmegaGene wrote: »

Up to 24mb just isn’t cutting it these days I have higher speeds on my phone

People are fixated on speed, partially thanks to good advertising.

The only question is whether the particular product will meet your needs.
Many people, like us, use the internet for browsing, email and video. This product is fine for this and is a big step up from the DSL we had previously, from Sky.

For someone with an Ultra High Definition TV, who regularly download ultra-HD content from Netflix (4K Netflix), then this product is not for them. However, many of us are happy with stand high definition content and this product works well for that. (We watch Netflix on our TV at least once a week, without issue.)

If someone is into certain types of online gaming, where reaction times are critical, that’s an entirely different ballgame. If that were me, I’d be looking at the highest speed broadband available - ideally using fibre straight to the home.

Joshua J

Jameswhalley wrote: »

Im just off the phone to pure

They told me they've a 1TB cap and they charge per MB after that

Never asked tbh as it wouldnt affect me anyway. But there you go, can't trust anything you read these days.

Bojill

NewClareman wrote: »

It is delivered using FTTC - i.e. fibre to the estate, with copper into the home. This is the same technology as used by most products, other than Virgin Media.

No landline is needed and there is no line rental charge.

Website says:

WHAT DO I NEED TO SIGN UP?
– A phone line. If you don’t have one we can order one for you simply continue with your order.
– If you have an existing phone number we will need your UAN. What is a UAN?

NewClareman

OmegaGene wrote: »

Up to 24mb just isn’t cutting it these days I have higher speeds on my phone

It really is “horses for courses”. In any case, the headline speed is less important than what can be achieved in real life, at peak times. I have Vodaphone 4G and it gets very congested, at times.

NewClareman

Bojill wrote: »

Website says:

WHAT DO I NEED TO SIGN UP?
– A phone line. If you don’t have one we can order one for you simply continue with your order.
– If you have an existing phone number we will need your UAN. What is a UAN?

I saw that too. I suspect that the issue is due to limitations on either there their systems, or eircom. It would appear that to order the product you need a landline, but you can cancel the landline/phone as part of the order. If you order online you need your UAN, ordering by phone this is not required.

sheroman01

Works out as 27.50 a month over a year. I guess if you compare that to using a hotspot with a 4G sim and weighing up the hassle of connecting to a phone/topping up every time, it's probably worth it (if the speeds are constantly above 10+mps).

MarkR

Is there an additional charge for the landline?

green123

This is a great bargain for majority of people.

Including the minority of people who stream in hd. Netflix say you need 5Mb for hd.

Only a tiny percentage of the population need more than this

enfant terrible

go4it wrote: »

the magnet fatpipe fibre offer seems to me that is broadband delivered by phone line ( it's up to 24 Mbps , and you need a phone line to check your availability )
@NewClareman : can you confirm this broadband is delivered through phone line, and the word FIBRE is added to the package title just to be in-line with the 2018 technologies?

@regarding the speeds and download allowance : in real terms, a medium size ISP could allow a 1TB download cap easily, and reduce your speed to 5Mbps afterwards, just to slow you down.

When comparing broadband offers, some of us are more interested in upload speed , ping times to europe/usa during the 17:00-23:00 time slots

For example i'm ok with 240Mbps from virgin media , but i would love to have 80-100Mbps upload for the same money . ( when streaming HD through VPN , the uploads counts a lot )

Why would you stream through a VPN, for IPTV is it?

NewClareman

L1011 wrote: »

I can't see how they can vaguely get away with calling this fiber.

Its ADSL2+, a more than fifteen year old technology. Its copper all the way from the exchange to the house. No other provider lies so blatantly about it that I'm aware of.

The main products that claim to be fiber and aren't - VDSL and DOCSIS (Cable) are at least fiber to the cabinet, in my case both the VDSL and cable cabinets are beside each other at the end of the road. Eir FTTH and Siro are the only actual fiber products.

"up to 8" is ADSL1, "up to 24" is ADSL2+, "up to 80" is VDSL and "up to 100" is vectored VDSL with anything above that either DOCSIS or FTTH.

Accusing Magnet of "blatant lying" is a pretty serious charge, that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Through common usage in Ireland, and many other countries, (Retail) Product Names include the term "Fibre" when any element of the delivery, in the local network, is fibre-based.

Fatpipe Fibre 24, the subject of this thread, uses the Eir FTTC/FTTK] infrastructure, resold from Eir Wholesale. The copper tail is terminated by a Zyxel VMG1312-B10D Wireless N VDSL2 4-port Gateway with USB.

NewClareman

MarkR wrote: »

Is there an additional charge for the landline?

There is no landline, it’s €30pm, all in. 🙂

vicM

[QUOTE=

Fatpipe Fibre 24, the subject of this thread, uses the Eir FTTC/FTTK] infrastructure, resold from Eir Wholesale. The copper tail is terminated by a Zyxel VMG1312-B10D Wireless N VDSL2 4-port Gateway with USB.[/QUOTE]

that is not a product on FTTC/FTTK, it is ADSL+ which is copper from the Xchange. As much as the product name tries to advertise fast speed by putting "Fibre" in it, it also betrays the product with the "24". The modem is a VDSL modem hence can run ADSL product. Its not a bad product if its sufficient for you.

just to add the fatpipe fibre 100 is the FTTC product

L1011

NewClareman wrote: »

Accusing Magnet of "blatant lying" is a pretty serious charge, that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Through common usage in Ireland, and many other countries, (Retail) Product Names include the term "Fibre" when any element of the delivery, in the local network, is fibre-based.

Fatpipe Fibre 24, the subject of this thread, uses the Eir FTTC/FTTK] infrastructure, resold from Eir Wholesale. The copper tail is terminated by a Zyxel VMG1312-B10D Wireless N VDSL2 4-port Gateway with USB.

Unless you have actual supporting docs to show otherwise, there is nothing to indicate this is a VDSL product. Magnet's 24mbit products predate VDSL availability.

That its 24 and you're syncing at less than that pretty much guarantees its ADSL2+. A rate capped VDSL product would be giving 24 solid.

A VDSL modem will do back to DSL1 at 256k if required; they are not dear and stocking ADSL2+ modems for no reason would be pointless variance and probably cost more.

NewClareman

vicM wrote: »

that is not a product on FTTC/FTTK, it is ADSL+ which is copper from the Xchange. As much as the product name tries to advertise fast speed by putting "Fibre" in it, it also betrays the product with the "24". The modem is a VDSL modem hence can run ADSL product. Its not a bad product if its sufficient for you.

just to add the fatpipe fibre 100 is the FTTC product

The real question, for this thread, is whether, or not, this product is a bargain. Obviously, for some people commenting it is not. But for others, me amongst them, it more than meets my needs, at a brilliant cost.

Maybe the technical elements being discussed would be more suited to the Broadband Forum. My understanding is that it uses FTTC, rather than copper to the exchange, but I should have a definitive answer in the next day, or two. (The delivery speed is no indication of the local loop infrastructure. What could be happening is that Magnet have created a bottom tier product, by locking the line card to ADSL+ If correct, this approach has the advantage that a move to a higher speed product could be handled electronically.)

L1011

Unless OpenEir turn up to replace the socket and verify there's no taps before it, its ADSL2+.

The price indicates its sweating out the old equipment and not VDSL.

Its not fiber, its not fiber speeds - its actually slower than most urban mobile broadband now - and its not even that good value as a result. Its not a bargain in my eyes.

Logo

OmegaGene wrote: »

eir broadband has really come down in price since i last looked
Totally Unlimited Broadband
Unlimited Off-Peak local & national calls
FREE eir sport pack


€34.99 a month for 12 months and its only a 12 month contract so just cancel and rejoin after 12 months


https://www.eir.ie/bundles/

My 12 month eir subscription ends in 30 days time. Does this mean I can cancel my Joe Bloggs account & sign up again as Joseph Bloggs with the same DD account number?

adox

The “fair usage” policies of some providers really are outdated at this stage and crippling to users.

I’m leaving Vodafone at the end of the month because their “unlimited” broadband is capped at 1TB a month.

NewClareman

L1011 wrote: »

Unless you have actual supporting docs to show otherwise, there is nothing to indicate this is a VDSL product. Magnet's 24mbit products predate VDSL availability.

That its 24 and you're syncing at less than that pretty much guarantees its ADSL2+. A rate capped VDSL product would be giving 24 solid.

A VDSL modem will do back to DSL1 at 256k if required; they are not dear and stocking ADSL2+ modems for no reason would be pointless variance and probably cost more.

I take it all back, it is described incorrectly. ☹️ I checked the line stats on the modem and it appears that I am connected straight to the exchange. (I am 1.1km from the exchange, on a straight duct path and the ADSL2+ line attenuation downstream is 22db.) It doesn’t take from the value but using fibre in the product title is appalling.

Logo

So in summary*:

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges. (= €330/12 months)
Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months. (= €420/12 months)
Pure Telecom are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation. (= €360/12 months)
Eir - €34.99 a month for 12 months and its only a 12 month contract so just cancel and rejoin after 12 months (= €420/12 months)

*Assuming landline is not needed or is included in the price & there is no line rental charge.*

Am I keeping up?

lowbatt07

Logo wrote: »

So in summary*:

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges. (= €330/12 months)
Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months. (= €420/12 months)
Pure Telecom are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation. (= €360/12 months)
Eir - €34.99 a month for 12 months and its only a 12 month contract so just cancel and rejoin after 12 months (= €420/12 months)

*Assuming landline is not needed or is included in the price & there is no line rental charge.*

Am I keeping up?

Eir also charge a €30 activation fee so it’s €450 not €360 and bear in mind that Eir have lost BT from next July so the only thing their “sports” pack will be good for is Pro14. €450 vs €360 and ours is essentially the same service

lowbatt07

Logo wrote: »

So in summary*:

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges. (= €330/12 months)
Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months. (= €420/12 months)
Pure Telecom are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation. (= €360/12 months)
Eir - €34.99 a month for 12 months and its only a 12 month contract so just cancel and rejoin after 12 months (= €420/12 months)

*Assuming landline is not needed or is included in the price & there is no line rental charge.*

Am I keeping up?

Eir also charge a €30 activation fee so it’s €450 not €420 and bear in mind that Eir have lost BT from next July so the only thing their “sports” pack will be good for is Pro14. €450 vs €360 and pure is essentially the same service

PeterDuggan

Logo wrote: »

So in summary*:

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is €30pm...<snip>

Could Logo's excellent summary post be made a sticky?

Joshua J

OmegaGene wrote: »

I just had a quick look at the pure telecom website and it’s €34 for 6 months and €50 thereafter, maybe I’m missing something on the website

https://switcher.ie/broadband/providers/pure-telecom/

Treviso

Just to add that the Pure Telecom router is fairly average. Was going to switch to them but no dual band wireless on the router - only 2.4GHZ. Wont affect light BB users

Logo

I'm looking for a new provider and for me it's best to compare as 12 month contracts & trying not to get too bogged down in upload/download speeds etc.

Logo wrote: »

Updated summary* (7th Nov):

Fatpipe Fibre 24, from Magnet, is €30pm, with a lead-in price of €20pm, for 3 months. There is no landline or line rental charges.
(= €330/12 months)

Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months.
(= €420/12 months)

Pure Telecom are doing 100mb broadband and phone for €30pm for 12 months, 12 months contract. €50 after 12 months, free activation. Was notified that this offer ends Friday 9th Nov.
(= €360/12 months).

Eir - €34.99 a month for 12 months and its only a 12 month contract so just cancel and rejoin after 12 months. €30 activation fee may apply.
(= €420/12 months).

Sky fibre broadband €35 a month for 12 months (thanks to OmegaGene). Set up costs may apply.
https://www.sky.com/ireland/broadband-talk/fibre-optic/
(= €420/12 months).

*Assuming landline is not needed or is included in the price & there is no line rental charge.*

Am I keeping up?

Mrcaramelchoc

T&c s

Sky Fibre Unlimited €30 a month for 12 months, €55 pm thereafter. Set up costs may apply. 50 quid New ROI households in selected fibre areas only. Maximum download speeds up to 100Mb. Speeds vary by location. Min & further terms apply. Standard broadband activation fee of €5-€10 depending upon product choice.

Thomyokk

I just signed up to pure

30/month for fttc

Only a warning they said if I go over the 1TB cap

Thomyokk

Is sky still still having problems with congestion on these contracts

Or are they the same product as eir and vf??

There was a mega thread full of problems about speeds with sky fttc

Former Former

OmegaGene wrote: »

Cancel after 12 months and move on, same as car insurance you don’t stay to get ripped off unless you have too much money lol

You don't even have to move on, just ring up before your contract is up and they'll generally roll you over onto a new discounted package.

Thomyokk

OmegaGene wrote: »

Never used sky broadband myself always stick to Vodafone as they seem to have a decent customer service, but the price war is doing is good us they are all coming down in price now

Well I'm gone to Pure now

They said there's no change from EIR except the box

theShire

OmegaGene wrote: »

Vodafone gigabit is €25 a month for first 6 month and €45 for the following 6 months.
I only have the fibre broadband in my area but the service is spot on and you can change names on the bill every 12 months to get the offer year on year.
Great speed for 4K Netflix etc last month I used 600gb of data lol

Its actually €55pm for the gigabit (Siro) offer and €45pm for the fibre (VDSL up to 100mb) after the 6 months in the VF offer.
So double check your order details if signing up