Handicap Plots NH

Gringo180 · 05-11-2018 9:37pm #1

What are the Skeltons aiming C'hitibello at? I find for a horse so consistent that his form has gone to sh1te this season maybe when theyve realised hes not good enough for Grade 1 company.

Be interesting to hear some opinions on who they reckon are been lined up for the big handicap races throughout the season.

irishgoat · 06-11-2018 1:19am

To be honest this is a tough one. Back in 2016 after a win the mark went from 135 to 142. Big jump so you know it's a decent horse. The skeltons tried to fool the handicapper on the next run I feel and it was a beaten 5/12 but was still raised from 142 to 144 which I think was fair. They then knew the handicapper was on to them and it won next time out on a mark of 144 @ 5/1.

This is where things go downhill because the hanicapper thinks this horse is very good and consistently raises it to 157 witout winning.

This particular year it started on a mark of 156 and now 148. It will need to show form and be raised a little before it can win. In my opinion I don't see it doing anything in the near future, it's dropping in the ratings like a has been horse.

kiers47 · 06-11-2018 12:45pm

If they could somehow keep Le Richebourg's mark sub 145 i think he would absolutely trot in in the Novice HC at Cheltenham if the ground came up goodish. He looks a very nice chasing prospect.
Lots of variables but i think he is one to keep on side.

Yorkhill has been dropped to a mark of 151 he has bags of ability. I wouldnt have been his biggest fan over the years but he is certainly a 160+ horse on his good days. He can definitely take down a big handicap off that mark.

2 that are hardly plots but i think could be competitive pending how they are campaigned.

akelly02 · 06-11-2018 12:46pm

Chtibello is not genuine and regressing quite quickly. should have picked up nice prizes but has missed a good few penalty kicks at this stage

Gringo180 · 01-01-2019 10:01pm

Killultagh Vic, Wicklow Brave, Limini. Just a few (out of Mullins yard) to keep an eye on if they turn up in a big handicap at the festival.

Thomas Campbell was just out for a spin today as well.

Ps. That Chitibello was beat last time out by a snot @20/1.

Gringo180 · 02-01-2019 7:32pm

Petit Mouchar as well was out for a spin at Leop over the xmas. 3rd in a Champ Hurdle a few years back and still in his prime he would be of huge interest in one of the Handicap Hurdles. Prob down to a mark of 152--154 now

longshotvalue · 02-01-2019 8:05pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Petit Mouchar as well was out for a spin at Leop over the xmas. 3rd in a Champ Hurdle a few years back and still in his prime he would be of huge interest in one of the Handicap Hurdles. Prob down to a mark of 152--154 now

He is one of my horses to follow this season. If he appears in the county of that mark, ill loose my mind. I do actually still fancy him to run a big race in the Champion Chase at a big price

Gringo180 · 02-01-2019 8:36pm

aidankkk wrote: »

He is one of my horses to follow this season. If he appears in the county of that mark, ill loose my mind. I do actually still fancy him to run a big race in the Champion Chase at a big price

Did you see his run LTO. Travelled supremely well and wasnt knocked about too much. Doubt they will send him back over larger obstacles will they?

longshotvalue · 02-01-2019 8:47pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Did you see his run LTO. Travelled supremely well and wasnt knocked about too much. Doubt they will send him back over larger obstacles will they?

Yep, but id imagine he's more likely to go for champion rather than handicap. He could get involved the way that race has gone. I still think he has a lot to offer over fences.

He could be a very interesting bet for the 2 mile hurdle at the leop festival

STB. · 02-01-2019 9:44pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Did you see his run LTO. Travelled supremely well and wasnt knocked about too much. Doubt they will send him back over larger obstacles will they?

I wouldn't think so. He didn't like the bigger obstacles. You get horses like that. Poor oul Identity Thief was another who didn't like the bigger obstacles and reverted to hurdling.

I also doubt he will be in any handicap coup. His rating is too high.

The Leopardstown Champion Hurdle G1 is coming up at the start of February at the Dublin Festival. Think it might be too soon.

If I were Henry, I'd swerve that and be looking at the Red Mills G3 at Gowran which is at the end of the February. Then I'd forget Cheltenham and stick him away for a go at the RyanAir Stayers at Aintree for the owner.

madmoose · 02-01-2019 10:31pm

The way Ballyandy shaped back over hurdles he’s one i want to be on in the Coral Cup.

Sire Du Berlais in the pertemps but was backed in market from 50/1 to 16/1.

posturingpat · 02-01-2019 11:23pm

Felix Desjy. Why has he been stepped up in trip lately with how keen he races? To disguise his ability I suspect.
Very talented bumper horse and will likely turn up in the County at the foot of the weights and put to sleep out the back and come through 2 out like he only entered the race.

Slattsy · 02-01-2019 11:35pm

madmoose wrote: »

The way Ballyandy shaped back over hurdles he’s one i want to be on in the Coral Cup.

Sire Du Berlais in the pertemps but was backed in market from 50/1 to 16/1.

I'm on. But not at Fiddys.

madmoose · 03-01-2019 12:53am

Slattsy wrote: »

I'm on. But not at Fiddys.

I got 25/1 but knew he was 50/1 half hour before before it was gone.

posturingpat · 13-01-2019 4:09pm

posturingpat wrote: »

Felix Desjy. Why has he been stepped up in trip lately with how keen he races? To disguise his ability I suspect.
Very talented bumper horse and will likely turn up in the County at the foot of the weights and put to sleep out the back and come through 2 out like he only entered the race.

Will that be his mark blown now or will he get away with low 140's?

Kauto · 13-01-2019 4:14pm

posturingpat wrote: »

Will that be his mark blown now or will he get away with low 140's?

Was never a handicap plot. Big engine but even today he tanked through the race. Wont get away with that in any race at the festival. That was a bike race today.

Slattsy · 24-01-2019 10:56pm

What's Dortmund Park being aimed at?

madmoose · 24-01-2019 11:01pm

Ben Dundee Novice Cap at Chelt as he has an english mark of 141 having found this out this week.

longshotvalue · 25-01-2019 12:17am

DUC DES GENIEVRES would be very interesting if he got into the close brothers. 2m5f would be perfect. Seems like he is likely to be 1-2 too high for it. Ex Patriot would interest me for the same race.

sitkaspruce · 25-01-2019 12:36am

id love to see espoir dallen turn up in the county hurdle!

RivetingRoger · 25-01-2019 10:11am

I'd love to see Jezki turn up in the county hurdle!

Kauto · 25-01-2019 11:02am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

I'd love to see Jezki turn up in the county hurdle!

The only reason he would be running would be to keep the weights down for another JP horse. Wouldn't be mapped in the race.

longshotvalue · 25-01-2019 11:09am

Kauto wrote: »

The only reason he would be running would be to keep the weights down for another JP horse. Wouldn't be mapped in the race.

Hes short enough in the Coral Cup at 20/1.

I hope everyone else think hed have no chance in the County. As i think he certainly would.

abarkie · 25-01-2019 11:25am

aidankkk wrote: »

Hes short enough in the Coral Cup at 20/1.

I hope everyone else think hed have no chance in the County. As i think he certainly would.

I thought Jezki was your festival nap based on some previous posts

madmoose · 25-01-2019 11:39am

Early Doors is one we need to keep an eye on maybe for the Coral Cup as his english mark is around 142 and he ran well placing in the Martin Pipe.

RivetingRoger · 25-01-2019 11:42am

Kauto wrote: »

The only reason he would be running would be to keep the weights down for another JP horse. Wouldn't be mapped in the race.

BS

If the ground is anyway suitable he would have a huge shout
Class is class

RivetingRoger · 25-01-2019 11:44am

aidankkk wrote: »

Hes short enough in the Coral Cup at 20/1.

I hope everyone else think hed have no chance in the County. As i think he certainly would.

What Bookies is that with Aidan? Looking for him on PP/Boyles no sign of him for Coral or County

longshotvalue · 25-01-2019 11:55am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

What Bookies is that with Aidan? Looking for him on PP/Boyles no sign of him for Coral or County

only with sky bet. Not worth backing yet, hell be a big price on the day

RivetingRoger · 25-01-2019 12:39pm

aidankkk wrote: »

only with sky bet. Not worth backing yet, hell be a big price on the day

anything large be a great ew bet

Gringo180 · 25-01-2019 6:12pm

Wicklow Brave wonder what mark hes down to now.

supremenovice · 25-01-2019 9:00pm

All this Jezki talk is laughable. He's gone at the game, ever since Hurricane Fly retired. A great servant like him shouldn't be put in the County for any reaason.

RivetingRoger · 25-01-2019 9:05pm

supremenovice wrote: »

All this Jezki talk is laughable. He's gone at the game, ever since Hurricane Fly retired. A great servant like him shouldn't be put in the County for any reaason.

Go wash your mouth out with soap ðŸ˜

Kauto · 26-01-2019 12:23am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Wicklow Brave wonder what mark hes down to now.

Could be running of 120, it doesn't matter. He is fine at the game

Gringo180 · 26-01-2019 7:43am

Kauto wrote: »

Could be running of 120, it doesn't matter. He is fine at the game

Hardly. He only completed a 4 timer about 4 months ago.

Kauto · 26-01-2019 10:56am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Hardly. He only completed a 4 timer about 4 months ago.

A 4 timer runnung against muck.

Gringo180 · 26-01-2019 12:15pm

Kauto wrote: »

A 4 timer runnung against muck.

Beat Sharjah a couple of lengths giving him half a stone in the summer. You could of said the same that he was gone at the game when he careered home in the county a few years back @25/1, dont think he beat a horse home in his previous few starts before that.

RivetingRoger · 26-01-2019 12:30pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Beat Sharjah a couple of lengths giving him half a stone in the summer. You could of said the same that he was gone at the game when he careered home in the county a few years back @25/1, dont think he beat a horse home in his previous few starts before that.

Yerra he probably bet the 4 different sharjahs at different disciplines sure!!!

Slattsy · 26-01-2019 2:29pm

Where is Glenloe going????? Close or Kim Muir i assume? Hardly the Ultima as he's biggest price for that, any idea?

26-01-2019 2:39pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Where is Glenloe going????? Close or Kim Muir i assume? Hardly the Ultima as he's biggest price for that, any idea?

Ive him backed for the 4 miler.

Slattsy · 26-01-2019 2:43pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Ive him backed for the 4 miler.

He'd hardly go there with Ok Corral a short fav?

Cant see it myself.

26-01-2019 2:47pm

Slattsy wrote: »

He'd hardly go there with Ok Corral a short fav?

Cant see it myself.

Yeah, Ive been thinking the same myself. Backed it a while ago. Im more inclined to think Kim Muir but I think I read somewhere that he needs 1 more run now to get in there. Still time for that mind.

Slattsy · 26-01-2019 2:50pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Yeah, Ive been thinking the same myself. Backed it a while ago. Im more inclined to think Kim Muir but I think I read somewhere that he needs 1 more run now to get in there. Still time for that mind.

Cash out.

Yeah Kim Muir is probably likely, but he could go anywhere. That Delta Work form :cool:

26-01-2019 2:52pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Cash out.

Yeah Kim Muir is probably likely, but he could go anywhere. That Delta Work form :cool:

Ill hang on to see if he is entered somewhere else. If he isnt he can only go for 4 miler.

Gavin "shels" · 26-01-2019 7:56pm

Penhill for the Stayers...

BumperD · 26-01-2019 9:28pm

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Penhill for the Stayers...

It’s a grade 1, not a handicap!

BumperD · 26-01-2019 9:29pm

That weapon that won the last at hq, suspect he will come out again next month to get in for March

Gavin "shels" · 26-01-2019 10:29pm

BumperD wrote: »

It’s a grade 1, not a handicap!

Should probably have not just took notice of the plot in the title :pac:

Slattsy · 26-01-2019 10:34pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Should probably have not just took notice of the plot in the title :pac:

Go home yer drunk!

krustydoyle · 26-01-2019 11:49pm

Fine Brunello ran a very interesting race for a long way in the first in Cheltenham today.. Could be one for the Fred Winter

Gringo180 · 27-01-2019 3:39pm

Kauto wrote: »

Could be running of 120, it doesn't matter. He is fine at the game

Ran a good race there flew home for 2nd.

Morleystreet · 03-02-2019 7:48pm

Firstly, I wouldn't spot a plot even if guy Fawkes was in my basement.
Tully East won at festival in 2017, then was a non runner last year. Last 2 runs have been over hurdles and finishing well down field. In betting he is quoted for Grand Annual. Will keep an eye closer to time or until nrnb.

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