People on the dole for years

PlaneSpeeking

Sweet.Science wrote: »

In fairness - €185 euro a week forever wouldnt be the greatest way to live

Off everyday with nothing to do and even if you did the money would be gone in 2 days.

They still annoy me though even though i wouldnt swap

There is zero chance of ONLY 185 quid a week being paid.

Sweet.Science

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

There is zero chance of ONLY 185 quid a week being paid.

Explain ? How do you get more on JSA ?

PlaneSpeeking

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Explain ? How do you get more on JSA ?

You seriously think there are people claiming and all they get is dole ?

No other supports, no free medical card, no contribution to rent, no kids' allowance, nothing else ?

Naive there I'm afraid.

Sweet.Science

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

You seriously think there are people claiming and all they get is dole ?

No other supports, no free medical card, no contribution to rent, no kids' allowance, nothing else ?

Naive there I'm afraid.

Ok well i didnt say that . I meant disposable income thats what they get on JSA .

PlaneSpeeking

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ok well i didnt say that . I meant disposable income thats what they get on JSA .

So they only get 185 euro if you don't count all the other money ?

I love what nonsense is peddled sometimes!

Sweet.Science

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So they only get 185 euro if you don't count all the other money ?

I love what nonsense is peddled sometimes!

What money ? Benefits you mean .

Food, broadband, gas electricity, car insurance, a car itself, bin charges, social life etc all comes from that €185.

Hardly the life of luxury. Yet some people choose it. And once you are in there isnt really a way out. The welfare trap

Ally Dick

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Explain ? How do you get more on JSA ?

Claim for a dependent adult and you'll get €310

Ray Palmer

Sweet.Science wrote: »

What money ? Benefits you mean .

Food, broadband, gas electricity, car insurance, a car itself, bin charges, social life etc all comes from that €185.

Hardly the life of luxury. Yet some people choose it. And once you are in there isnt really a way out. The welfare trap

The thing is they may also get other allowances. Increase for children on top of children's allowance. Phone,electricity and fuel allowances are all normal. The get exceptional payment to replace things like fridges.

They get actual money. A single parent would need to earn about €38k to have the same as they get from benefits. It is a much better lifestyle than many working people. Wouldn't want it myself but it is a good living income for many and more than they could earn.

Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The thing is they may also get other allowances. Increase for children on top of children's allowance. Phone,electricity and fuel allowances are all normal. The get exceptional payment to replace things like fridges.

They get actual money. A single parent would need to earn about €38k to have the same as they get from benefits. It is a much better lifestyle than many working people. Wouldn't want it myself but it is a good living income for many and more than they could earn.

Please point me to the benefit I can claim for my phone and electricity?

ToddyDoody

There's a UK band fronted by a gay fella that was inspired by long term dolers. They're called 'Years and Years'.

Paulzx

Sweet.Science wrote: »

. And once you are in there isnt really a way out.

Eh...there is. It's called a job application form

Galwayguy35

Sweet.Science wrote: »

What money ? Benefits you mean .

Food, broadband, gas electricity, car insurance, a car itself, bin charges, social life etc all comes from that €185.

Hardly the life of luxury. Yet some people choose it. And once you are in there isnt really a way out. The welfare trap

Isn't a way out you say?

Any healthy able bodied person who comes out with sh1te like that as a reason for not working needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Make welfare less appealing for them so they have to go out and get a job.

chicorytip

Ally Dick wrote:

I repeat again, where are these able bodied people coming from who wear a path from the pub to the bookies and back every day, who havent worked in years, many of whom smoke, and many whom I know since primary school. What are they getting? Surely it's disability? Would they not have their payment stopped if it is JSA? Some of them are a bit rough around the edges, but able to walk...and drink till drunk!

In order to qualify for a disability payment claimants need to undergo a rigorous application process which includes providing written evidence from a medical consultant to support their claim. You would expect that this would ensure that those who are genuinely unfit for work because of physical or psychiatric conditions do indeed meet the qualifying criteria and that those who are, in fact, perfectly fit and able do not. I believe that the vast majority of those in receipt of disability allowance/benefit and other such payments are honest.
In general terms being without work for a prolonged period is not healthy and is a contributory factor in premature deaths from cancer and heart disease as well as suicide.

Yamanoto

I know a chap who's been on disability for about 8 years with depression. His GP keeps churning out the certs, despite the fact work and a regular routine would be transformative to his self-confidence and all round mental health.

He's well capable of work, but until such time as the money stops coming, he can plod along in the knowledge he never has to push himself anywhere beyond his comfort zone.

Social Protection should require those with certain conditions who claim disability long term to be assessed independently and if deemed fit for work, those payments should cease within a very short period.

Yer Da sells Avon

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So they only get 185 euro if you don't count all the other money ?

I love what nonsense is peddled sometimes!

I was on the dole recently and I got no other money, just the standard weekly payment of €198. It was just about enough to live on, albeit very austerely. It was a miserable existence, and not one I intend on experiencing again.

oceanman

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I was on the dole recently and I got no other money, just the standard weekly payment of €198. It was just about enough to live on, albeit very austerely. It was a miserable existence, and not one I intend on experiencing again.

did you not get the free phone and electricity or the new car taxed and insured? its all part of the deal if you listen to people here on boards..

Yer Da sells Avon

oceanman wrote: »

did you not get the free phone and electricity or the new car taxed and insured? its all part of the deal if you listen to people here on boards..

Well, obviously, but nothing apart from that. Oh, and the free buggy. I don't even have children, so I left it at a bus stop one day and got another one for free the very next day.

Yamanoto

Yamanoto wrote: »

I know a chap who's been on disability for about 8 years with depression. His GP keeps churning out the certs, despite the fact work and a regular routine would be transformative to his self-confidence and all round mental health.

He's well capable of work, but until such time as the money stops coming, he can plod along in the knowledge he never has to push himself anywhere beyond his comfort zone.

Social Protection should require those with certain conditions who claim disability long term to be assessed independently and if deemed fit for work, those payments should cease within a very short period.

Unless you're actually his doctor you can't decide he'd be better off at work.

Richard Hillman

Was on the Bob Dole for a while during the height of it. I'm probably being nostalgic but I had a great time. Lots of lows, to be fair but I got to do all the things that I liked. Getting cans and drinking all day and watching sport, magnificent.

Thomyokk

Can't we just dig a trench and fukk them into it?

Natzi justice

DellyBelly

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Well, obviously, but nothing apart from that. Oh, and the free buggy. I don't even have children, so I left it at a bus stop one day and got another one for free the very next day.

I had heard that story about people getting a free buggy. Thought it was bs but obviously not. That seems an awful waste of taxpayer's money

Conservative

I don't think there's many people who are happy or living the high life on the dole. That level of idleness is just bizarre. I can't say I envy them in anyway.

That said, I'd gladly have most dossers shot.

Yer Da sells Avon

DellyBelly wrote: »

I had heard that story about people getting a free buggy. Thought it was bs but obviously not. That seems an awful waste of taxpayer's money

I have eight of them here from my time on the dole.

Paddy Cow

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I was on the dole recently and I got no other money, just the standard weekly payment of €198. It was just about enough to live on, albeit very austerely. It was a miserable existence, and not one I intend on experiencing again.

And this is the problem with the dole. You get all the extras such as fuel allowance and Christmas bonus when you're classed as long term unemployed - which is after claiming for 15 months. They should do it the opposite way - get all the extras and after 15 months start reducing payments as an incentive to get back to work.

It's a joke that someone paying into the system for years gets less support than someone who's been draining the system for years.

mickdw

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I was on the dole recently and I got no other money, just the standard weekly payment of €198. It was just about enough to live on, albeit very austerely. It was a miserable existence, and not one I intend on experiencing again.

Yes, the single person on the dole gets the worst deal.
Its when you add in housing for family, childrens payments, medical card for a pile of kids etc that it suddenly starts to pass out employment in terms of income / standard of living.

mickdw

Conservative wrote: »

I don't think there's many people who are happy or living the high life on the dole. That level of idleness is just bizarre. I can't say I envy them in anyway.

Idleness? - sure many hardly have time to pick up their payment.

Bannasidhe

Edgware wrote: »

I know one individual who is now mid 40s. His only employment experience was 9 months as an apprentice butcher and was sackedfor giving pals steak for the price of sausages. He has never worked since.
There are others I know who for health reasons just could not do a 40 hour week but have done 10/14 hours on Community Employment schemes with local clubs etc. They didn't break their back but did appreciate the social interaction while doing light work such as cleaning, getting the hall ready for meetings etc. They had a sense of purpose and made the effort to do their bit.

Community Employment is 19.h hours p.w. so no one you know is doing 10/14 hours. It also covers a range of jobs not just light cleaning. In fact if it wasn't for C.E. many small charities and Community organisations in this country would have to close their doors.

mickdw

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Community Employment is 19.h hours p.w. so no one you know is doing 10/14 hours. It also covers a range of jobs not just light cleaning. In fact if it wasn't for C.E. many small charities and Community organisations in this country would have to close their doors.

There are arguments for and against CE schemes.
Im all for putting everyone on welfare out to work so 19 hours for 200 per week is fair. I think the schemes should be limited to jobs that certainly couldn't exist otherwise such are tidy towns workers, general community maintenance, help the elderly etc. Treat it as a job and allow them to work other jobs in the hope that they will get off the scheme. Scheme workers tend to be on that for life. For that reason alone, its not working right but certainly everyone should be out at work. It would save a fortune on fraud detection if nothing else. You cannot be working on the quiet if you are clocked in on your scheme.

They should not be put in as school secretaries, caretakers for example. These are real jobs, and should firstly not be limited to live register people or limited to scheme hours or wages.

kneemos

DellyBelly wrote: »

I had heard that story about people getting a free buggy. Thought it was bs but obviously not. That seems an awful waste of taxpayer's money

They leave them at bus stops,easier than carting them on board.

Yamanoto

Yamanoto wrote: »

I know a chap who's been on disability for about 8 years with depression. His GP keeps churning out the certs, despite the fact work and a regular routine would be transformative to his self-confidence and all round mental health.

He's well capable of work, but until such time as the money stops coming, he can plod along in the knowledge he never has to push himself anywhere beyond his comfort zone.

Social Protection should require those with certain conditions who claim disability long term to be assessed independently and if deemed fit for work, those payments should cease within a very short period.

They often are. You can be assessed by the DSP medical officer as well if they feel like your own GP is not being fully honest.