Man (69) attempts to legally reduce his age

Beechwoodspark

All a de above please and baked beans on de side thanks

feargale

I'm wondering, if I lived in a country that had conscription and I wanted to avoid the draft, could I apply to have my height legally reduced to two feet five?

wexie

feargale wrote: »

I'm wondering, if I lived in a country that had conscription and I wanted to avoid the draft, could I apply to have my height legally reduced to two feet five?

nope, but you could of course always change to a different gender. Not too many countries where they conscript women (to my knowledge only North Korea and Israel)

Roger Hassenforder

jmayo wrote: »

I think this guy has as much right to claim whatever age he wants if someone can make a decision what gender they want to be on any given day.
And then what makey up gender they are.

Fair enough someone is born with wrong genitalia or someone has a real life long case of gender dysphoria, but the cr** like with that kid (I think ???) in UK who complained the school didn't call him by the right pronoun on any given day because he/she couldn't make up their mind what they were.

It is the ar**holing around ala facefook and their 50 genders that is giving all this cr** oxygen.

Look at this for a list.

Asexual, Female to male trans man, Female to male transgender man, Female to male transsexual man, F2M, Gender neutral, Hermaphrodite, Intersex man, Intersex person, Intersex woman, Male to female trans woman, Male to female transgender woman, Male to female transsexual Woman, Man, M2F, Polygender, T* man, T* woman, Two* person, Two-spirit person, Woman, Agender, Androgyne, Androgynes, Androgynous, Bigender, Cis, Cis Female, Cis Male, Cis Man, Cis Woman, Cisgender, Cisgender Female, Cisgender Male, Cisgender Man, Cisgender, Woman, Female to Male, FTM, Gender Fluid, Gender Nonconforming, Gender Questioning, Gender Variant, Genderqueer, Intersex, Male to Female, MTF, Neither, Neutrois, Non-binary, Other, Pangender, Trans, Trans Female, Trans Male, Trans Man, Trans Person, Trans*Female, Trans*Male, Trans*Man, Trans*Person, Trans*Woman, Transexual, Transexual Female, Transexual Male, Transexual Man, Transexual Person, Transexual Woman, Transgender Female, Transgender Person, Transmasculine, Two-spirit

WTF ?

How many trans can there be ?

What about "transformer" and "trans-it"

Hell I am going to add in a few:
AC-DC, poteen-spirit-lad, two-sheets.

I've a question. Well actually I've several.

Whats a two spirit person?

wexie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I've a question. Well actually I've several.

Whats a two spirit person?

Duh!!

Someone who drinks gin as well as whiskey.

What's a two-sheets person?

4068ac1elhodqr

jmayo wrote: »

WTF ?

How many trans can there be ?
What about "transformer" and "trans-it"

Transformer might sort of be on the cards in the next decades(s), or a type of ai-transhumanism wherby 'Wave-3 AI' processes directly using human dna, or at the least organic neurological interfacing, with data perma-stored in a cloud-universal conciousness, for machine learned decision making capabilities.

Everyone will speak like Alexia, that talking speaker box thing.

Roger Hassenforder

wexie wrote: »

Duh!!

Someone who drinks gin as well as whiskey.

What's a two-sheets person?

Is that not a Scottish/Irish Gin Wánker?

Sciprio

If a law like that came in i can imagine lots of young people applying to raise their age and then apply for their pension. :pac:

ceadaoin.

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I've a question. Well actually I've several.

Whats a two spirit person?

It's a native American concept thats been appropriated by the multiple gender movement

feargale

Sciprio wrote: »

If a law like that came in i can imagine lots of young people applying to raise their age and then apply for their pension. :pac:

Look at the Irish Census returns 1901 and 1911. Alot of people aged by 20 years in between. Reason? Lloyd George introduced old age pensions in 1909.

mvl

feargale wrote: »

Look at the Irish Census returns 1901 and 1911. Alot of people aged by 20 years in between. Reason? Lloyd George introduced old age pensions in 1909.

Either this, or the opposite - humans' permanent chase for the fountain of youth can point to how wanting to be older or younger can be seen a normal human behavior.

Excluding Tinder from the equation, thinking just about other challenges current society has put on older ppl - I think this guy is entitled to ask what he's asking for, as long as he can certify that his physical or mental condition is younger than his current age. If the law allows it and there is an opportunity, why not do it ?
- consequence would be that he could fail an evaluation few years later, and he may need to reset again the age

PS: wanting to be younger does make more sense to me than changing gender and then accuse women of not being women enough

Antar Bolaeisk

All he need to is express his age in martian years, he'd only be 37 then.

_Godot_

jmayo, what does asexual have to do with being trans? Completely different things!

wexie

_Godot_ wrote: »

jmayo, what does asexual have to do with being trans? Completely different things!

I think those are just the gender options you have these days on Facebook....

(not kidding)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

mvl wrote: »

thinking just about other challenges current society has put on older ppl - I think this guy is entitled to ask what he's asking for

1. What challenges are you referring to?
2. What makes these challenges extraordinary that they can be viewed as an exception to the norm?
3. Why do these challenges confer any entitlement to an individual?

PlaneSpeeking

I really don't want to let the aul brain loose too much on this but isn't Transman the exact same thing as Transexual Man ?

Maxpfizer

feargale wrote: »

I'm wondering, if I lived in a country that had conscription and I wanted to avoid the draft, could I apply to have my height legally reduced to two feet five?

Well, it depends on how you want to look at it and what's deemed reasonable by society.

So straight off the bat you have the concept of being "too short" or "not tall enough" these are obviously social constructs.

The unit of measurement "foot" and your desire to be classed as "two feet five" is going to be trickier to work around but I would say not impossible.

Who decided what a "foot" or an "inch" would represent and should those people have a monopoly on what "foot" and "inch" should describe.

Your argument would be "well my definition of two feet five is the same as my actual height and so I am too short to be conscripted".

And their counter would be "well we define two foot five differently and so you are getting conscripted".

Remember this takes place in the context of a world where some will argue that it's a fact that biological sex does not exist. People in academia will back this up.

So if biological sex doesn't exist how can we really say that "height" exists? Both are measurements, right?

Classifying a person as biologically male or female is based entirely on observing that person and making a measurement. That could be looking at chromosomes or just looking at genitalia. Yet, seemingly powerful and influential forces argue against it.

Why should height be any different?

You: "I am too short to be conscripted, sorry"
Military: "No you are within the correct height range, fall in"
You: "Just because your doctor assigned me a height means nothing, I have my own system of measurement and I'm too short".

The arbitration would probably last longer than the war so you'd be fine.

Realistically though what you'd need is some sort of foothold in academia and a committed group of activists willing to take up your cause. Then you just hope that people with common sense just give in because it's not worth the hassle.

THEN you can apply to have your height legally reduced to two feet five.

mvl

Pedro Faithful Bacon wrote: »

1. What challenges are you referring to?
2. What makes these challenges extraordinary that they can be viewed as an exception to the norm?
3. Why do these challenges confer any entitlement to an individual?

Ageism in recruitment, coupled with a postponed retirement age. This is my brief answer to all the points above.

And I think with technology today we should all be able to scientifically certify/re-confirm our age.

cursai

He's dead right How do we quantify what goes on in peoples heads. If we start being prejudiced against one where does it end. Open the floodgates. I've built my ark.

Maxpfizer

wexie wrote: »

Yeah but age can be clearly established by counting the amount of time elapsed between birth and now!!!

:pac:

What is "time" though. Society decides a "year" is the time it takes the Earth to go around the sun, OK.

HOWEVER, society also then imposes arbitrary restrictions on people based around the number of times the Earth has circled the sun since you were "born".

And what does that even mean "to be born"? Am I not constructed entirely of matter that has existed, in one form or many, for billions of years? Who's to say what "age" I am?

So, yeah, I can't drink until we've travelled around the Sun 18 times since my "birth" was "registered" with the "government" WTF are we doing here?

So I'm going for a job and they say "how old are you". Well, the answer to that could be a lot of things. If I say "21 years old" thinking they would rather have a 21 year old employee that a 69 year old then who are they to say "well legally you are 69 so STFU old man"? That's not right.

I should be able to legally change my age so that I can go into these employers, or anyone who is interested in my age really, and say "i am 21 years old and hear is the legal documentation".

I don't care what YOUR definition of a year is. Stop trying to impose your outdated standards on me. A year for ME is based on my personal experience and perception, not yours.

If your definition of "man" is different from mine to the extent where calling me a "man" when I identify as a woman can cause me great offence then why shouldn't it be the same for your definition of "year"?

BarryD2

suicide_circus wrote: »

A 69 year old Dutch man is going to court to get his age legally changed to the age he self identifies as, namely 49.

Deluded dope.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

mvl wrote: »

Ageism in recruitment

That is a legal issue. There are avenue's setup to tackle this.

It cannot be used to confer entitlements on anyone to arbitrarily change their biological age just because.

mvl wrote: »

coupled with a postponed retirement age

So?

mvl wrote: »

This is my brief answer to all the points above.

An answer given with no measurable basis.

mvl wrote: »

And I think with technology today we should all be able to scientifically certify/re-confirm our age.

I guess coming out of your mothers womb doesn't count as the "birth date" anymore.

jmayo

wexie wrote: »

Duh!!

Someone who drinks gin as well as whiskey.

What's a two-sheets person?

two sheets to the wind kinda thing or think toilet roll.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's a native American concept thats been appropriated by the multiple gender movement

And here was me thinking of Andy Goram in front of the Celtic fans.

https://www.balls.ie/football/celtic-fan-meets-former-rangers-keeper-andy-goram-in-bookmakers-sings-theres-only-two-andy-gorams-nsfw-language-69608

_Godot_ wrote: »

jmayo, what does asexual have to do with being trans? Completely different things!

Hey how de fook should I know. :eek:

I just found that list in the Telegraph, the one Wexie linked to, and gave it as example of where we are going in this social media driven age.

I haven't a bogs notion of why there are so many different trans, hence my jokes about transits and transformers, not to mention all the other categories.

BTW I take it Transit can't be used due to copyright infringements with Ford.

mvl

Pedro Faithful Bacon wrote: »

I guess coming out of your mothers womb doesn't count as the "birth date" anymore.

It cannot be used to confer entitlements on anyone to arbitrarily change their biological age just because.

Plse leave the mother out of this. Thanks,

Aging process is at different rate for various individuals.
Biological age and chronological age are different things.
Biological age can be measured.

orourkeda1977

He's still an aul lad no matter what he has printed on his passport

suicide_circus

BarryD2 wrote: »

Deluded dope.

but what if that delusion is really hurting him and the best treatment is to give him what he feels is right for him?

wexie

suicide_circus wrote: »

but what if that delusion is really hurting him and the best treatment is to give him what he feels is right for him?

......

I don't know if that's really a useful approach in a clinical sense to be honest.
But if that's how we're going to do things then I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up with a delusion that only repeated weeklong threesomes with Scarlet Johansson and Gal Gadot are going to be able to save my life.

suicide_circus

wexie wrote: »

......I don't know if that's really a useful approach in a clinical sense to be honest.

yes that would be my first instinct yet it seems that a lot of clinicians do think it is.

Sweet.Science

Fairplay to him

Hope he is successful - in this day and age who can be whatever you want to be .

Maxpfizer

wexie wrote: »

......

I don't know if that's really a useful approach in a clinical sense to be honest.
But if that's how we're going to do things then I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up with a delusion that only repeated weeklong threesomes with Scarlet Johansson and Gal Gadot are going to be able to save my life.

Why not? If you had their consent then that's all you would need. The only thing preventing your treatment is the consent of the ladies in question.

If you could plead you case to them that this was the only way to save you and they said "OK, we'll save your life" then that's you sorted. It might be total BS but if you're all consenting to the situation then it's fine.

In a sense here we are discussing whether or not society as a whole should consent to something like a "personal time" when talking about age. Who is anyone to say you are 25 or 35 or 85 or whatever?

Of course the argument is there that it's blatantly obvious that a 69 year old is not a 49 year old.

However, if we put pressure on society to concede and consent to the idea that self identification or age or height or anything is else is legally binding then it really doesn't matter anymore.

Some would argue that your situation with Scarlet Johansson and Gal Gadot is coercive or fraudulent, or that you have somehow brainwashed them and that they don't really understand what they are getting into. However, if you had a bunch of bullies... sorry... activists behind you then maybe you could silence those people and make them afraid to speak up.

mvl

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Why not? If you had their consent then that's all you would need. The only thing preventing your treatment is the consent of the ladies in question.

I think he also needs the consent of the RL wife. lets hope he gets it too :P

Maxpfizer

mvl wrote: »

I think he also needs the consent of the RL wife. lets hope he gets it too :P

Nah, he could get a twitter mob to go after his RL wife until she shuts up. Maybe even get her arrested for indirectly trying to kill this wonderful man who just wants to receive this life saving treatment.

Zorya

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Nah, he could get a twitter mob to go after his RL wife until she shuts up. Maybe even get her arrested for indirectly trying to kill this wonderful man who just wants to receive this life saving treatment.

His wife will stand by him, repeatedly murmuring how he is ''stunningly brave''. :pac:

PlaneSpeeking

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fairplay to him

Hope he is successful - in this day and age who can be whatever you want to be .

And it ends where ? Can I legitimately claim to be Camilla Alves and **** Matthew McConaughey ? Can I say I identify as the sole heir to Warren Buffet's fortune ? Am I allowed to say my true self is that of a superhero and jump off the 6th floor of the car park next door ?

Gender Dysphoria is real - 71 genders or none is ballcocks.

Sweet.Science

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And it ends where ? Can I legitimately claim to be Camilla Alves and **** Matthew McConaughey ? Can I say I identify as the sole heir to Warren Buffet's fortune ? Am I allowed to say my true self is that of a superherp and jump off the 6th floor of the car park next door ?

Gender Dysphoria is real - 71 genders or none is ballcocks.

Thats the way the world has gone - there is no stopping it now. You cant allow people to say they want to identify as something and not others .

We can all be whatever we want to be now. There is no going back

wexie

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Am I allowed to say my true self is that of a superherp and jump off the 6th floor of the car park next door ?
.

That's perhaps not your best analogy....

Zorya

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And it ends where ? Can I legitimately claim to be Camilla Alves and **** Matthew McConaughey ? Can I say I identify as the sole heir to Warren Buffet's fortune ? Am I allowed to say my true self is that of a superherp and jump off the 6th floor of the car park next door ?

Gender Dysphoria is real - 71 genders or none is ballcocks.

Superherp sounds like what you might catch if you go round ****ing too many of them film stars, PlaneSpeeking. It's good we don't get everything we want.

PlaneSpeeking

Zorya wrote: »

Superherp sounds like what you might catch if you go round ****ing too many of them film stars, PlaneSpeeking. It's good we don't get everything we want.

Worst typo ever lol!!!!

Yer Da sells Avon

It's like when we voted to allow gay people to marry each other and now you've got lads marrying their brothers, their dogs and in exceptional cases, their cars. If you allow one thing to happen, then there is an inevitable slippery slope towards something completely different being allowed to happen.

Zorya

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's like when we voted to allow gay people to marry each other and now you've got lads marrying their brothers, their dogs and in exceptional cases, their cars. If you allow one thing to happen, then there is an inevitable slippery slope towards something completely different being allowed to happen.

Careful now. I have heard of a new thing happening called ''WokeBeard of The Week Award'', and you don't want to be in with a good chance of winning it.

Yer Da sells Avon

Zorya wrote: »

Careful now. I have heard of a new thing happening called ''WokeBeard of The Week Award'', and you don't want to be in with a good chance of winning it.

Sounds like a fate worse than death.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Since turning 30 I've started to lie about age.

I look younger so can pass it off reasonably enough.

I'm hoping to stay in the 26-29 range for the next 5 yrs or so.

Zorya

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Since turning 30 I've started to lie about age.

I look younger so can pass it off reasonably enough.

I'm hoping to stay in the 26-29 range for the next 5 yrs or so.

Jayziz, save that shyte until you are much, much older and by then you will be so grateful to be still alive and kicking that you will tell your real age as a bleedin' boast!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

I wish to identify as 67 so I can claim the state pension until I am 132 years old.

Where do I apply?

Gatling

Transaged - remains me of a Ben Shapiro video actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkONHNXGfaM

The Rape of Lucretia

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

This is actually no more ridiculous than self identifying as the opposite sex.

As in, they are both equally ridiculous ?

Roger Hassenforder

wexie wrote: »

......

I don't know if that's really a useful approach in a clinical sense to be honest.
But if that's how we're going to do things then I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up with a delusion that only repeated weeklong threesomes with Scarlet Johansson and Gal Gadot are going to be able to save my life.

What about a 45 year old, 22 stone, one eyed, halitosis suffering twosheets she/male truck driver currently identifying as Gal Gadot?

wexie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

wexie wrote: »

......

I don't know if that's really a useful approach in a clinical sense to be honest.
But if that's how we're going to do things then I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up with a delusion that only repeated weeklong threesomes with Scarlet Johansson and Gal Gadot are going to be able to save my life.

What about a 45 year old, 22 stone, one eyed, halitosis suffering twosheets she/male truck driver currently identifying as Gal Gadot?

Ehm....I don't know, would I still get the real Scarlett?

Roger Hassenforder

wexie wrote: »

Ehm....I don't know, would I still get the real Scarlett?

"Gals" dad identifying as Natasha Romanoff any good?
There will be a black widow costume involved

wexie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

wexie wrote: »

Ehm....I don't know, would I still get the real Scarlett?

"Gals" dad identifying as Natasha Romanoff any good?
There will be a black widow costume involved

I think you've just cured all my delusions!!
It's a miracle!