Ireland vs Argentina 10/11/18 - This time it's not personal [1830, RTE2 & C4]

Faugheen

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

That was a comment on how we have guys pushing for places, Ryan was disastrous in the opening 30 minutes, hence the comment.
Actually would like to see Toner start next week, regardless of the stupid MOTM awarding to Ryan.

Saying one of our best players this year should be dropped based on 30 minutes of a lacklustre performance was a comment on the depth we have?

That’s a stupid analogy. On that logic nobody should have a chance to prove it’s a one-off. If Ryan comes off for Toner at half time then he doesn’t redeem his first half performance with the excellent one he had in the second.

bilston

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd be a LOT less negative than a lot of what I'm reading on here.

Argentina were ferocious, massive hits and loads of niggle at the breakdown. They went out to rattle Ireland and they were largely successful. It was a very gnarly, abrasive performance and a lot of teams would struggle out there.

Argentina have a fire lit under them, decent squad and look to be heading in the right direction with the RWC on the horizon.

Ireland didn't execute a lot of what they were trying to do, and some of what they were trying to do was based on poor decisions.

Sexton had an off day and when he has a bad day the team often has a bad team, thought POM and Stander really stood up and steadied the ship at critical times. Sextons kick before half time was crucial all the same, we needed something before half time.

That's a decent win taking into account Argentina's performance and Ireland not being quite where they need to be. Looks like we've spent as much time this week preparing for next week as much as tonight.

We were blessed they had no scrum, would have been a completely different game otherwise.

We could be down a few lads next week. Not sure how bad Henshaw is, Seanie won't be available, Marmion will have a question mark as will Furlong who may have a head injury. Aki seemed to recover but given the way the injury occurred and the pain he was in I wouldn't be surprised if he's limping when the blood flow slows down.

Could be into the depth chart next week.

The concern is Furlong...he definitely got a smack in the head.

Jump_In_Jack

Former Former wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

That was a comment on how we have guys pushing for places, Ryan was disastrous in the opening 30 minutes, hence the comment.
Actually would like to see Toner start next week, regardless of the stupid MOTM awarding to Ryan.

"Disastrous". Ffs.

What's wrong with people?

Watch it back, he made about 5 mistakes in that time, quite obvious at the time that he was having a bad run.
Subsequently obviously kicked on but fair to highlight it.

vienne86

Joe has just mentioned the fact that we were in Chicago last weekend, and then back for a couple of days of training and in to a test match. That Chicago trip is just a money making exercise which is fine, but at what cost?

Jump_In_Jack

Faugheen wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

That was a comment on how we have guys pushing for places, Ryan was disastrous in the opening 30 minutes, hence the comment.
Actually would like to see Toner start next week, regardless of the stupid MOTM awarding to Ryan.

Saying one of our best players this year should be dropped based on 30 minutes of a lacklustre performance was a comment on the depth we have?

That’s a stupid analogy. On that logic nobody should have a chance to prove it’s a one-off. If Ryan comes off for Toner at half time then he doesn’t redeem his first half performance with the excellent one he had in the second.

It’s obvious that Toner needs to start next week.
I’d have him there as first choice lock.

Faugheen

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It’s obvious that Toner needs to start next week.
I’d have him there as first choice lock.

You really don’t get what I’m saying at all.

Jump_In_Jack

Faugheen wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It’s obvious that Toner needs to start next week.
I’d have him there as first choice lock.

You really don’t get what I’m saying at all.

You just can’t see it.

Jump_In_Jack

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Watch it back, he made about 5 mistakes in that time, quite obvious at the time that he was having a bad run.
Subsequently obviously kicked on but fair to highlight it.

Ryan wasn't that bad at all. The missed pass off the lineout had too much on it and the ball was slick, there were plenty of handling errors.

He was excellent in the maul, he carried very well particularly in the lead up for two of our tries and he made an absolute heap of tackles.

There was a reason he was the second row that did 80 minutes.

thomond2006

Former Former wrote: »

"Disastrous". Ffs.

What's wrong with people?

No worse than calling a player a fraud FF.

dublinman1990

I will put in one little thought about the TV studios inside the Aviva for this game. Channel 4 have done a good bit of effort in adding a nice bit of colour to their own presentation of the match. RTÉ on the other hand have a much bigger space to use with Daire & their 3 analysts for their match coverage. RTÉ's setup is about as cheap as you can get really. If you take away the round desk in the middle with the chairs. It looks bland, sterile, cheap, no sense of character & feels like being inside a hospital ward. Although; it feels very convenient though that both RTÉ & Channel 4 are probably located right beside each other in the Aviva.

Former Former

thomond2006 wrote: »

No worse than calling a player a fraud FF.

Did I do that?? Sounds like something I'd say alright.

joseywhales

What a terrific win, beat Argentina by 11, just fantastic

Lucy8080

vienne86 wrote: »

Joe has just mentioned the fact that we were in Chicago last weekend, and then back for a couple of days of training and in to a test match. That Chicago trip is just a money making exercise which is fine, but at what cost?

Hey, we never knock a Chicago test match! Ever!

Also, the money helps to keep the wolf from the electric gates!

OldRio

Cracking second half of rugby. Argentina are a bloody good team. Some people commenting on here should realise that. A proper test.
As an aside Channel 4 HD on freesat. Superb coverage. Commentators and analysts.
Really enjoyed that test.

thomond2006

I'm happy enough tbh. We looked every bit a team that hadn't played together for six months. The Pumas were well worth that scoreline. The video session on Monday will be rough and might be a good start to the week preparing for NZ.

Edit: Happy enough SOB injury aside I should point out. Devastating.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1061358780619935745?s=19

rebel girl 15

Schmidt saying Sean O Brien looks like he has broken his arm and will need surgery

thomond2006

Former Former wrote: »

Did I do that?? Sounds like something I'd say alright.

Aye, Zebo.

sydthebeat

bilston wrote: »

The concern is Furlong...he definitely got a smack in the head.

Meh, it was only to his face off lukies head.... Neh bother

joseywhales

That Kearney fella must be alright

Lucy8080

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1061358780619935745?s=19

Jeez. Gotta feel for him.

Former Former

OldRio wrote: »

Cracking second half of rugby. Argentina are a bloody good team. Some people commenting on here should realise that. A proper test.
As an aside Channel 4 HD on freesat. Superb coverage. Commentators and analysts.
Really enjoyed that test.

They're a good team and they've been playing and training together continuously since February. That sort of cohesiveness and fluidity only comes from games and we were sorely lacking.

Ireland will be all the better for that game. I don't think it will be enough for next week but there's no need to panic.

accensi0n

Anyone else sensing a bit of awkwardness in the rte studio with eddies grouchiness?

Burkie1203

Think toner played himself into the team. Even EOS agrees.

shootermacg

Overall a rusty performance as you'd expect, but good to get the win.

Toner / Ryan start next week. Toner is always getting written off, which is just wrong. He smashes rucks, carries well and runs a good line-out. Hendo is definitely a better impact off the bench.

Larmor is not a 15 (yet?), he's a winger. I don't like having him and Stockdale in the back 3, either one is fine, but I'd prefer Kearney shouting orders.

Leavy/PoM/Stander looks like a good balance.
Addison has some serious soft hands, did a great job considering.

Aki had a great game.

Shefwedfan

Apart from Heaslip who was on C4?

Burkie1203

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Apart from Heaslip who was on C4?

Stringer and Luke Fitz

Squidgy Black

Just on the dart back. One of the more enjoyable games I've been at in the Aviva. Aki was my MOTM by an absolute mile, Addison went really well also.

Clegg

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.

Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

Wegians89

Think bundee showed again he’s Ireland’s best option at 12. Huge game from him today apart from the missed tackle with Sexton. Yet another new center partnership he’s played in that’s looked solid. It’ll take a lot to shift him from that jersey and I doubt there’s one player in the Irish squad who’ll want to play as much as him next week.

munsterlegend

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.

Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

After what Retallick did to the English line out today, the line out will have to be stronger. Plenty to work in which is perfect facing into next weekend. Larmour can’t play full back next week if we are to win.

basillarkin

Wegians89 wrote: »

Think bundee showed again he’s Ireland’s best option at 12. Huge game from him today apart from the missed tackle with Sexton. Yet another new center partnership he’s played in that’s looked solid. It’ll take a lot to shift him from that jersey and I doubt there’s one player in the Irish squad who’ll want to play as much as him next week.

Thought he played well especially 2nd half but I would take henshaw at 12 before aki anyday of the week. Unfortunately for him he is to injury prone

PhlegmyMoses

shootermacg wrote: »

Overall a rusty performance as you'd expect, but good to get the win.

Toner / Ryan start next week. Toner is always getting written off, which is just wrong. He smashes rucks, carries well and runs a good line-out. Hendo is definitely a better impact off the bench.

Larmor is not a 15 (yet?), he's a winger. I don't like having him and Stockdale in the back 3, either one is fine, but I'd prefer Kearney shouting orders.

Leavy/PoM/Stander looks like a good balance.
Addison has some serious soft hands, did a great job considering.

Aki had a great game.

Earls, Larmour and Stockdale are just not dominant enough in the air/at all. You would hope that Larmour and Stockdale spend extra hours practicing that every day because it is such a weakness of ours.

Paul Smeenus

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.

Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

JAMES RYAN

mfceiling

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Stringer and Luke Fitz

Did stringer get a word in or did Luke talk for 47 minutes without stopping?

Former Former

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.

Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

Parachute Beirne in you mean?

basillarkin

Tonor and Ryan will start again the all blacks

Wegians89

Think the only changes for next week will be :
Kearney for larmour
Ringrose for Addison
Toner for Henderson
Leavy for sob with
Henderson, vdf, Addison on the bench

Locke_Lamora

Honestly, I think you could start any two out of Ryan, Henderson, Toner and Bierne - but we have to change our hooker. Even the lineouts we were winning were thrown too low, and Retallick will have a field day with that. You don't really gain anything in open play with Toner, but he's probably the best lineout operator out of the lot.

joseywhales

You'd imagine beirne deserves a bench spot, versatile and should provide a good impact spoiling ab ball. Hendo might miss out.

Clegg

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

Former Former wrote: »

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Leavy were excellent. I won't say for certain that Ryan was my motm but he was certainly one of our better players.

Next week we need to sort out our set piece. Scrums were fine so it's the lineout that needs fixing. Ryan is undroppable so it's up to the coaches as to whether we want to fix the set piece with Henderson still there or to parachute Ryan in.

Parachute Beirne in you mean?

Meant to say Toner.

Don't think Beirne is there performance wise.juat yet.

dublinman1990

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I will put in one little thought about the TV studios inside the Aviva for this game. Channel 4 have done a good bit of effort in adding a nice bit of colour to their own presentation of the match. RTÉ on the other hand have a much bigger space to use with Daire & their 3 analysts for their match coverage. RTÉ's setup is about as cheap as you can get really. If you take away the round desk in the middle with the chairs. It looks bland, sterile, cheap, no sense of character & feels like being inside a hospital ward. Although; it feels very convenient though that both RTÉ & Channel 4 are probably located right beside each other in the Aviva.

I tried to watch the match on the RTE player and the illegal stream of RTE2 was so much better than the stuttering heavily pixilated mess that is the RTE player.

RTE are highly dysfunctional.

tototoe

mfceiling wrote: »

Did stringer get a word in or did Luke talk for 47 minutes without stopping?

😆 He's like someone whose done a few lines of speed. He knows his stuff for sure but goes on and on and on ..you would think he would have learnt from last week.

bilston

Wegians89 wrote: »

Think the only changes for next week will be :
Kearney for larmour
Ringrose for Addison
Toner for Henderson
Leavy for sob with
Henderson, vdf, Addison on the bench

Pretty much how I see it, although we will obviously have to wait and see what happens at 9 as well. I thought McGrath went really well from the bench. Is Marion injured? Could Murray be back? At least the ABs will be guessing about that particular position.

bilston

mfceiling wrote: »

Did stringer get a word in or did Luke talk for 47 minutes without stopping?

C4's coverage was very good.

Heaslip is an excellent co commentator. Already one of the best around IMO.

beertons

I like Addison. He has a bit of someone about him, but I can't put my finger on it.

What's Zebo at next weekend?

Paul Smeenus

bilston wrote: »

Pretty much how I see it, although we will obviously have to wait and see what happens at 9 as well. I thought McGrath went really well from the bench. Is Marion injured? Could Murray be back? At least the ABs will be guessing about that particular position.

That'd be my option as well. Best, Ryan, Sexton have to up their games. I'd entertain McGrath over Marmion as well. If he's injured... Love Cooney but would worry about him in bench.

Steve

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Elvisjuice

beirne will start next week, type of player that will **** off nz

Paul Smeenus

Elvisjuice wrote: »

beirne will start next week, type of player that will **** off nz

Put money on it?