RTE Radio 1: Late Debate

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Katie, any person on PUP who was in part time employment and now ON PUP is ABSOLUTELY not getting €350 pw. It just astonishes me this fixation on this €350 pup rate. 47% on this rate, the remainder on far less and many on equivalent rate of JSA @ €203 PW.

That's a very good point. Still, it means that 53% of people (I assume) have an extremely high replacement rate of income from welfare. It is in everyone's interest that that figure should be reduced.

I don't buy into the narrative that people on the PUP are shirkers; that's patent nonsense. But the sooner they get back to any kind of work, the better for everyone. Replacement rates will have to fall.

Dempo1

I bought my house in Laois 20 years ago, from Dublin, prices even back then were outrageous, but I don't recall getting any supports, special treatments etc, in fact I spent 6 hours a day for 3 years driving back and forth to dublin for work (those in the know will remember trying to drive through kildare County before it was bypassed)

Dempo1

Lol, Regina thinks Eoghan Murphy will be missed

That photo was quickly removed from Frances Fitzgeralds twitter feed couldn't be seen with a beggar in the background of a publicity photo

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1397218936849149953?s=19

dulpit

Dempo1 wrote: »

I bought my house in Laois 20 years ago, from Dublin, prices even back then were outrageous, but I don't recall getting any supports, special treatments etc, in fact I spent 6 hours a day for 3 years driving back and forth to dublin for work (those in the know will remember trying to drive through kildare County before it was bypassed)

Is your point that because it was hard for you then, it should still be hard now?

Dempo1

dulpit wrote: »

Is your point that because it was hard for you then, it should still be hard now?

Not at all but I get a sense people think purchasing a house/home suddenly became difficult and challenging over night. Indeed I would argue a heck of a lot more difficult 20 years ago and with very strict eligibility criteria.

Lack Housing supply is also not new, indeed to finish, I would also argue its now much, much easier to live outside Dublin in surrounding counties with far better roads and public transport. The narrative seems to be making housing more affordable, I and many others didn't have such a luxury 20 years ago. I'm not suggesting the situation fair, just pointing out, nothing new.

thesandeman

It's probably due to social distancing, but why did they leave the Labour spokesperson stuck in a corner while the others sat around the table? All was needed was to put a dunces hat on her. The camera didn't even pan in on her when she was speaking.

thesandeman

thesandeman wrote: »

It's probably due to social distancing, but why did they leave the Labour spokesperson stuck in a corner while the others sat around the table? All was needed was to put a dunces hat on her. The camera didn't even pan in on her when she was speaking.

Are we still talking about Late Debate here? Is it live-streamed on the telly now, or what?

Dempo1

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Are we still talking about Late Debate here? Is it live-streamed on the telly now, or what?

It is, slight delay when Primetime on, re seating, yes, social distancing still being adhered to in studio.

Furze99

Dempo1 wrote: »

Not at all but I get a sense people think purchasing a house/home suddenly became difficult and challenging over night. Indeed I would argue a heck of a lot more difficult 20 years ago and with very strict eligibility criteria.

Lack Housing supply is also not new, indeed to finish, I would also argue its now much, much easier to live outside Dublin in surrounding counties with far better roads and public transport. The narrative seems to be making housing more affordable, I and many others didn't have such a luxury 20 years ago. I'm not suggesting the situation fair, just pointing out, nothing new.

Absolutely, nothing new in the practicalities of where to buy. You can argue that rents are higher proportionately now and a bit harder to save. But it wasn't exactly easy before either.

Dempo1

Furze99 wrote: »

Absolutely, nothing new in the practicalities of where to buy. You can argue that rents are higher proportionately now and a bit harder to save. But it wasn't exactly easy before either.

Indeed and yes have to agree rents are certainly higher

dulpit

One thing I'd wish they'd do in late debate is have an objective expert on if possible. At one point last night Regina Doherty and Lynn Boylan were calling each other liars over a specific point, and it would have been great if someone could have fact checked on the fly.

Dempo1

dulpit wrote: »

One thing I'd wish they'd do in late debate is have an objective expert on if possible. At one point last night Regina Doherty and Lynn Boylan were calling each other liars over a specific point, and it would have been great if someone could have fact checked on the fly.

It was pretty grim alright, only for social distancing I thought eyes were going to scratched out, there's so much venom between FG & SF its become almost farcical. I've not heard a civil, coherent debate between either side in months and when a representative of either party is part of a discussion it descends into chaos and Zero contribution to a debate /discussion.

thesandeman

Dempo1 wrote: »

It is, slight delay when Primetime on, re seating, yes, social distancing still being adhered to in studio.

Strange thing though is that there was an empty chair at the table equidistant from the others but the Labour person was sitting against the wall in a corner.

Brendan Bendar

Dempo1 wrote: »

It was pretty grim alright, only for social distancing I thought eyes were going to scratched out, there's so much venom between FG & SF its become almost farcical. I've not heard a civil, coherent debate between either side in months and when a representative of either party is part of a discussion it descends into chaos and Zero contribution to a debate /discussion.

Well you are one of the main cheerleaders for Hannon.

She in the person in charge along with the production team

Why do they churn out this bulldust night after night?

I have being saying it’s a shambles for yonks.

Badly produced, badly presented, badly balanced




Yet the same cheerleaders always appear?

Dempo1

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well you are one of the main cheerleaders for Hannon.

She in the person in charge along with the production team

Why do they churn out this bulldust night after night?

I have being saying it’s a shambles for yonks.

Badly produced, badly presented, badly balanced




Yet the same cheerleaders always appear?

I do cheer lead Katie who does a stellar job given the format, time slot and limited time for actual debate. If guests can't help themselves, no presenter can control that unless of course the behave in the same way. I'll admit to having a dislike for Regina but both were terrible.

Dempo1

O dear the FF Representative John Lahart not aware the J&J vacinne has actually been approved by the FDA, embarrassing slip up there.

I stand slightly corrected, seems there's an issue with a J&J Factory but not the vacinne as such

Dempo1

Katie must have heard you Brendan, she's putting her foot down tonight

Dempo1

Here we go, Hotelier moaning about not being able to get staff, we're was their concern when staff were laid off???

touts

Katie is spot on. If he can't get staff because they are better off on the PUP (€350 less tax) then maybe he should be paying staff more.

Dempo1

I'm getting annoyed now, this clown clearly clueless, his part time staff are getting reduced PUP payments not half albeit many getting equivalent of JSA allowance €203 per week.

touts

The economy is absolutely bollixed when the business life support systems are shut off. Can't really blame someone for wanting to hang on to the PUP for as long as possible maybe even October or November rather than return to a job that could cease to exist in a few weeks.

Dempo1

touts wrote: »

The economy is absolutely bollixed when the business life support systems are shut off. Can't really blame someone for wanting to hang on to the PUP for as long as possible maybe even October or November rather than return to a job that could cease to exist in a few weeks.

I know the Hospitality sector well Touts, posted a detailed opinion on the relaxing restrictions thread. There is not only very little incentive to return or work in this sector, there's genuine concern by existing and indeed former employees about viability of their employers. The industry is and will continue to be on its knee's, there will not be any sense of normality when it reopens, also rarely mentioned is the fact that by default, any restrictions, curtailment of restaurants, bars etc will equal a reduction of staff needed or being rehired.

I'm certainly not doubting there are abuses with PUP but it galls me to hear these "concerned Employers" suddenly crying and whinging now when they dropped staff like bad habits at the start of this. If they were so concerned, why didn't they retain staff on wage subsidy schemes??

touts

This Limerick Soviet thing always amuses me. When I first heard of it I imagined a sort of self declared independent communist state where private property was confiscated and run by the people etc. Instead it was a two week general strike where a few trade union gangs looted some shops and homes (mainly to settle scores). But the left wing academia and media have called it a "Soviet" to make it sound like some sort of great socialist uprising.

Dempo1

touts wrote: »

This Limerick Soviet thing always amuses me. When I first heard of it I imagined a sort of self declared independent communist state where private property was confiscated and run by the people etc. Instead it was a two week general strike where a few trade union gangs looted some shops and homes (mainly to settle scores). But the left wing academia and media have called it a "Soviet" to make it sound like some sort of great socialist uprising.

I'd never heard this story, as an aside, excellent program on the Path to Partition on BBC 2 earlier, 2 part documentary, not sure when next episode on, worth a watch

Dempo1

I see breaking news on the ticker, gov to consider relaxing International travel restrictions from July 19th

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Here we go, Hotelier moaning about not being able to get staff, we're was their concern when staff were laid off???

My guess -- in the same pit of nonsense as Tom Parlon's concern for builders' "mental health", at the height of this pandemic. He was urging the government to return them to work 'for their own benefit'.

The people are not stupid.

I look forward to all those employers maintaining their mental-health advocacy into the future.

Dempo1

Lol Rocket man, Leo's new nick name

Dempo1

I think politicians missing the point re PUP and EWSS. Few if any hospitality workers were even offered EWSS and the majority of Aviation workers on PUP, including pilots. EWSS is propping up businesses that either never closed or are trading, it's debatable whethersome of these business are even viable. Its an open secret that 50% of fixed costs of many businesses were covered by various grants, now it's been suggested lump sum grants upto €30k for businesses reopening shortly. I somewhat baffled given I seriously doubt many of these businesses will last till the end of year.

G'wan Breathless Katie

Dempo1

Michael Healy Rae on tonight, this should be incomprehensible

Dempo1

Barry ward needs to ask rural voters who pays for their refuse collection, Not the local councils, house holders do. Property Tax yelds nothing and I mean nothing for rural homeowners.

California Dreamer

Dempo1 wrote: »

Michael Healy Rae on tonight, this should be incomprehensible

Can he not even take his hat off indoors? Is that not rude?

Dempo1

California Dreamer wrote: »

Can he not even take his hat off indoors? Is that not rude?

LOL, I'm sure there must have been a draft god bless him, quite a funny back and forth with him and Katie (both from the kingdom) it was good natured tough.

MHR is a master tactician, never wanting to be seen to agree with anything controversial but at the same time understanding its merits.

serfboard

California Dreamer wrote: »

Can he not even take his hat off indoors? Is that not rude?

MHR's flat cap is his brand. He thinks that if he wears it, ordinary voters will reckon that he's an ordinary man like themselves, instead of the multi-millionaire that he is.

touts

serfboard wrote: »

MHR's flat cap is his brand. He thinks that if he wears it, ordinary voters will reckon that he's an ordinary man like themselves, instead of the multi-millionaire that he is.

Apparently he thinks it makes him look younger because if he took it off people would see he was going bald.

A flat cap. Younger. Only in Kerry!

Furze99

serfboard wrote: »

MHR's flat cap is his brand. He thinks that if he wears it, ordinary voters will reckon that he's an ordinary man like themselves, instead of the multi-millionaire that he is.

Except there's few enough ordinary men wear caps anymore. Just makes look like an eejit, even in rural Ireland.

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

Barry ward needs to ask rural voters who pays for their refuse collection, Not the local councils, house holders do. Property Tax yelds nothing and I mean nothing for rural homeowners.

Or roads. If you live up a country road, and your house is the only house for half a mile, the Local Authority isn't going to pay for its upkeep. It will cost at least 10k to have any maintenance done privately. That's fine, I understand the rationale. I even agree with it. But lets not pretend that urban and rural dwellers are on an equal footing.

Rural home-owners are getting next-to-nothing for their taxes.

I think St. Stephen's Green closes at 8pm from June.

In all fairness to DCC, I don't think it's wise to keep open the bushes after twilight, as a way of reducing anti-social behaviour.

There's probably an argument for extending opening for smaller parks like Dartmouth and Belgrave Squares. Much easier to supervise, but there would be local opposition.

Dempo1

FF getting a good kicking over their quite extraordinary stupidity today, making out SF acting subversively collecting voter data only to be caught out doing the very same thing, some of FF deputies and senators really made fools of themselves earlier, Mc Sharry being one, a clown of the highest order.

Brendan Bendar

Jaysus there’s Fitzmaurice slobbering around the place again.

Brendan Bendar

Dempo1 wrote: »

FF getting a good kicking over their quite extraordinary stupidity today, making out SF acting subversively collecting voter data only to be caught out doing the very same thing, some of FF deputies and senators really made fools of themselves earlier, Mc Sharry being one, a clown of the highest order.

Did you get that from the ‘Irish Marketing Institute’.?

Dempo1

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Did you get that from the ‘Irish Marketing Institute’.?

LOL, did you hear about Mc Sharrys newspaper interview this morning, a FF senator also aghast at SF data collection practices, didn't hear her name, a few hours later MM confirms FF did the exact same thing, quite funny all the same.

Story will die a death now that Leo also confirmed FG were at it

Dempo1

Marc Mc Sharrys absurd interview earlier today, will he now be asking Gardai to investigate FF, just Hillarious

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40309505.html

Dempo1

I live in the slieve bloom mountains, it a protected environmental area. My own cottage 200+ years old and now renovated.

I recall a neighbour up higher than me, family site etc, they had to put a flag pole up on their site at a specific length , with a marker flag for 6 months prior to receiving planning, if anyone objected, no planning would be granted. I'm not making this up, it happened and I believe it still does.

Dempo1

Have to say Michael Fitzmaurice (independent) talks a lot of sense

elperello

Dempo1 wrote: »

Marc Mc Sharrys absurd interview earlier today, will he now be asking Gardai to investigate FF, just Hillarious

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40309505.html

McSharry might be embarrassed now that his own party is in the frame but he wasn't far wrong at the time.

All three parties have insulted the electorate by standing on their doorsteps and lying to them to gain a political advantage.

That is what we learned today.

Dempo1

Dempo1 wrote: »

I live in the slieve bloom mountains, it a protected environmental area. My own cottage 200+ years old and now renovated.

I recall a neighbour up higher than me, family site etc, they had to put a flag pole up on their site at a specific length , with a marker flag for 6 months prior to receiving planning, if anyone objected, no planning would be granted. I'm not making this up, it happened and I believe it still does.

That's actually a very clever idea. It can be difficult to calculate the eyesore-quantity of a proposed building of a given height, unless you know its location/ elevation pretty exactly. Flagpole is a common-sense solution, never heard of that before.

elperello

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's actually a very clever idea. It can be difficult to calculate the eyesore-quantity of a proposed building of a given height, unless you know its location/ elevation pretty exactly. Flagpole is a common-sense solution, never heard of that before.

I've seen similar initiatives and they can be helpful.

A planning permission will not be refused just because someone objects.

Planning refusals have to be based on proper planning grounds ie. legislation, county development plan etc.

Dempo1

elperello wrote: »

I've seen similar initiatives and they can be helpful.

A planning permission will not be refused just because someone objects.

Planning refusals have to be based on proper planning grounds ie. legislation, county development plan etc.

I thought at the time the oddest thing but then again, I was and still am a blow in 20 years later (Dub)