European Parliament Elections 2019

RainNeverBow

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

The far-right is joining forces ahead of the European elections, with Salvini's Lega joined by the AfD, Le Pen's National Rally, Austria's Freedom Party and the Danish People's Party:

https://m.dw.com/en/frances-far-right-national-rally-joins-salvinis-european-alliance/a-48411442

Nationalist populists who will tear each other apart when the natural contradiction of being in a European bloc sets in

An Ciarraioch

So, Peter Casey wants to seize empty rural homes, give out free breathalysers and bring back the punt - the property angle alone would seem politically toxic throughout rural Ireland!

http://twitter.com/emmajhade/status/1120229413159866373

WinnyThePoo

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

So, Peter Casey wants to seize empty rural homes, give out free breathalysers and bring back the punt - the property angle alone would seem politically toxic throughout rural Ireland!

http://twitter.com/emmajhade/status/1120229413159866373

Like his presidency run. He seems to be making it up as he goes along.

Blowfish

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

So, Peter Casey wants to seize empty rural homes, give out free breathalysers and bring back the punt - the property angle alone would seem politically toxic throughout rural Ireland!

http://twitter.com/emmajhade/status/1120229413159866373

The only part of that relevant to his role as an MEP, is bringing back the Punt, which is a pretty stupid idea really.

blanch152

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

So, Peter Casey wants to seize empty rural homes, give out free breathalysers and bring back the punt - the property angle alone would seem politically toxic throughout rural Ireland!

http://twitter.com/emmajhade/status/1120229413159866373

I would guess that he wants to seize empty holiday homes, that would go down well in parts of rural Ireland.

L1011

Considering he wasn't tax-resident here, would his own Irish house have been seized as a second home?

is_that_so

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

So, Peter Casey wants to seize empty rural homes, give out free breathalysers and bring back the punt - the property angle alone would seem politically toxic throughout rural Ireland!

http://twitter.com/emmajhade/status/1120229413159866373

The old Oscar Wilde maxim at work - There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. As expected though more off the cuff ... eh policies.

An Ciarraioch

Is it tomorrow that the posters can be put up? Gavan Reilly clarifies that it is indeed tonight, from midnight onwards:

http://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1120721134738190336

Charlie-Bravo

Could it be seen that if the elections for the UK MEPs show a majority of remainers being voted in, that this will be a huge turning point for the Brexit process?

For the brexiteers, it would make sense for them to be voted in to continue their efforts in leaving.

An Ciarraioch

astrofluff wrote: »

Could it be seen that if the elections for the UK MEPs show a majority of remainers being voted in, that this will be a huge turning point for the Brexit process?

For the brexiteers, it would make sense for them to be voted in to continue their efforts in leaving.

It would be ideal, but the problem is that the Greens, Lib Dems and CHUK are all practically level, making it impossible for Remainers to assess how to vote tactically, even by region.

Mr.Nice Guy

Just watched the TUV party political broadcast on BBC. It was so bad it was good, like something from a comedy skit. Anyone catch it?

PeadarCo

Stephen15 wrote:

Ile be voting for Hermann Kelly or Ben Gilroy unfortunately neither are likely to win but they're the only two who will stand up to the political elite. I don't support Irexit if given a choice I'd vote for the National Party but Irexit appear to be the only party that will feed candidates who are anti mass immigration which I am against strongly. I wish there was a party like the League in Italy with a leader like Salvini.

For anyone thinking of voting for someone like Ben Gilroy. Go to the legal forum and go to the freeman megathread. He is one of the people that provides fuel for the thread. The guy is a conman who takes advantage of vulnerable people with his own brand of quackery and leaves them in a far far worse position.

AndrewJRenko

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Is it tomorrow that the posters can be put up? Gavan Reilly clarifies that it is indeed tonight, from midnight onwards:

http://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1120721134738190336

Good few of the local election candidates have posters up this evening. I guess they know the litter warden won't be around tonight.

View

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

It would be ideal, but the problem is that the Greens, Lib Dems and CHUK are all practically level, making it impossible for Remainers to assess how to vote tactically, even by region.

The U.K. (bar NI) uses a Closed Party List PR system for the EP elections. Voters make a single mark on their ballot for the Party (List) they prefer. There is no option to vote tactically after doing that.

Under that system, votes for each party (list) are them counted. The party with the most votes gets the first seat, their vote is then divided by (1 + the number of seats they have had elected; ie 1 + 1 in the first count).

After that is done, the party with the most votes in the adjusted count gets the second seat, their vote is then divided using the above formula (again by 2 if it’s another party or, less likely, by 3 if it’s the same party as before). The fill, then divide procedure repeats until all seats are filled (typically 5 or 6 per region).

In practice, Closed List PR favours the two parties that poll the highest, much like STV has typically favoured the two larger parties here.

Zubeneschamali

PeadarCo wrote: »

For anyone thinking of voting for someone like Ben Gilroy ... The guy is a conman who takes advantage of vulnerable people with his own brand of quackery and leaves them in a far far worse position.

I don't think that's entirely fair - it's possible that the man is not a conman, and is genuinely deranged.

Zubeneschamali

man98 wrote: »

(Wallace)Economically and socially he's populist, but also takes classic libertarian positions on most issues (not that he'd be seen dead near the likes of Together for Yes.) It is exactly this that sets him apart from the clientele-ist gombeen politics across the country and it is exactly this that will see him come close to taking a seat in Ireland South. He's a loose cannon, but quite the opposite of a cute hoor.

You admit he defrauded his own workers and the state when his business failed, but then he leveraged the mess into a Dáil seat as if he was the victim - all with a brass neck. He is the definition of a cute hoor.

He's just an Independent gombeen rather than a FG/FF party gombeen, but he gets votes from the "At least he's our gombeen" folks who admire cute hoors, same as the others.

FrancieBrady

is_that_so wrote: »

The old Oscar Wilde maxim at work - There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. As expected though more off the cuff ... eh policies.

He is desperately trying to light the magic touchpaper that got him on a bandwagon last time out.

JupiterKid

What do you think the Social Democrats’ candidate in Dublin, Gary Gannon’s chances are in the European elections? He is currently a City Councillor and I really like his policies on housing, health, drugs and education.

Plus he’s very easy on the eye.

I see FitzGerald getting re-elected no bother. After that, it’s an open contest but Daly should do well.

L1011

JupiterKid wrote: »

What do you think the Social Democrats’ candidate in Dublin, Gary Gannon’s chances are in the European elections? He is currently a City Councillor and I really like his policies on housing, health, drugs and education.

Plus he’s very easy on the eye.

I see FitzGerald getting re-elected no bother. After that, it’s an open contest but Daly should do well.

Before Daly entered the ring, the fourth seat was very likely to be down to exclusion order between him, Cuffe and White. Now it's anyone's guess.

An MEP can't do bog all on any of those policy areas though

MFPM

JupiterKid wrote: »

What do you think the Social Democrats’ candidate in Dublin, Gary Gannon’s chances are in the European elections? He is currently a City Councillor and I really like his policies on housing, health, drugs and education.

Plus he’s very easy on the eye.

I see FitzGerald getting re-elected no bother. After that, it’s an open contest but Daly should do well.

He's running against the wishes of the SD leadership, he'll do OK but he won't be in the runnng for a seat.

Stephen15

murphaph wrote: »

It's one of the few things that makes me proud to be Irish that we don't have such parties.

Only because the people are ignorant and don't see migration as an issue. Look at Italy parts of the country are overrun with migrants from sub-saharan Africa who contribute absolutely nothing to the country. They don't work and spend most the day hanging around railway intimatidating passers by or on the beach selling worthless trinkets.

They dump they're rubbish everywhere and make the place look like a ghetto they are not working in any sort of meaningful jobs. It's only taken for it to come to that stage before the electorate have woken up and finally for common sense parties like the League and Salvini. I dont want that happening here.

An Ciarraioch

Stephen15 wrote: »

Only because the people are ignorant and don't see migration as an issue. Look at Italy parts of the country are overrun with migrants from sub-saharan Africa who contribute absolutely nothing to the country. They don't work and spend most the day hanging around railway intimatidating passers by or on the beach selling worthless trinkets.

They dump they're rubbish everywhere and make the place look like a ghetto they are not working in any sort of meaningful jobs. It's only taken for it to come to that stage before the electorate have woken up and finally for common sense parties like the League and Salvini. I dont want that happening here.

And as David McWilliams famously quipped, we're the last country in Europe whose major influx of immigrants remains white, Christian and European - some Africans and Muslims, but by and large the cultural similarities have made integration comparatively easier to the rest of Europe.

Stephen15

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

And as David McWilliams famously quipped, we're the last country in Europe whose major influx of immigrants remains white, Christian and European - some Africans and Muslims, but by and large the cultural similarities have made integration comparatively easier to the rest of Europe.

Not going to be the case for too much longer unfortunately

man98

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

You admit he defrauded his own workers and the state when his business failed, but then he leveraged the mess into a Dáil seat as if he was the victim - all with a brass neck. He is the definition of a cute hoor.

He's just an Independent gombeen rather than a FG/FF party gombeen, but he gets votes from the "At least he's our gombeen" folks who admire cute hoors, same as the others.

Wallace is a gombeen, but not one that is comparable to the Healy Raes et al - he doesn't promise to do anything for the people, and will not bend over backwards for anyone but himself - this is why he lost so many votes. He was not elected for parish pump issues, rather the sort of issues which should be what dominates Irish elections. However, he is absolutely not the person to do it and has not done in properly. Wallace purports to drain the same metaphoric swamp as Trump but his issue is that he is the swamp (as is Trump, but that's beside the point). I don't like charlatans, but he's a whole different kind of charlatan to the like of Lowry or Healy Raes.

MFPM

man98 wrote: »

Wallace is a gombeen, but not one that is comparable to the Healy Raes et al - he doesn't promise to do anything for the people, and will not bend over backwards for anyone but himself - this is why he lost so many votes. He was not elected for parish pump issues, rather the sort of issues which should be what dominates Irish elections. However, he is absolutely not the person to do it and has not done in properly. Wallace purports to drain the same metaphoric swamp as Trump but his issue is that he is the swamp (as is Trump, but that's beside the point). I don't like charlatans, but he's a whole different kind of charlatan to the like of Lowry or Healy Raes.

He's far from a 'gombeen' and to label him as such is frankly dishonest.

Where and when did he purport to drain the 'swamp' - once again a dishonest characterisation.

Larbre34

Is there a way to sticky a post at the top of the thread to list the runners and riders please?

man98

MFPM wrote: »

He's far from a 'gombeen' and to label him as such is frankly dishonest.

Where and when did he purport to drain the 'swamp' - once again a dishonest characterisation.

His posters in 2016 literally said 'No more ties' on them when he has more shady dealings than a Kinihan on day release. Look at his campaign videos, his statements, anything - how can someone so instilled as an establishment figure masquerade as the rogue his videos show him to be is beyond me. If you look at the billboard he has outside his soccer pitch - 'Welcome NAMA land' meanwhile he's partying with half of NAMA'S finest developers. But no, he's never tried to make himself into an us versus them anti establishment figure.

ancapailldorcha

man98 wrote: »

Wallace is a gombeen, but not one that is comparable to the Healy Raes et al - he doesn't promise to do anything for the people, and will not bend over backwards for anyone but himself - this is why he lost so many votes. He was not elected for parish pump issues, rather the sort of issues which should be what dominates Irish elections. However, he is absolutely not the person to do it and has not done in properly. Wallace purports to drain the same metaphoric swamp as Trump but his issue is that he is the swamp (as is Trump, but that's beside the point). I don't like charlatans, but he's a whole different kind of charlatan to the like of Lowry or Healy Raes.

No more of the gombeen/charlatan stuff please. It is not welcome here.

MFPM

man98 wrote: »

His posters in 2016 literally said 'No more ties' on them when he has more shady dealings than a Kinihan on day release. Look at his campaign videos, his statements, anything - how can someone so instilled as an establishment figure masquerade as the rogue his videos show him to be is beyond me. If you look at the billboard he has outside his soccer pitch - 'Welcome NAMA land' meanwhile he's partying with half of NAMA'S finest developers. But no, he's never tried to make himself into an us versus them anti establishment figure.

His posters in 2016 literally said 'No more ties' on them when he has more shady dealings than a Kinihan on day release.

That's actually outrageous and quite defaming but you're safe behind your anonymity. If you wish to PM me your name and details I'll be happy to pass them to Deputy Wallace.

Look at his campaign videos, his statements, anything - how can someone so instilled as an establishment figure masquerade as the rogue his videos show him to be is beyond me. If you look at the billboard he has outside his soccer pitch - 'Welcome NAMA land' meanwhile he's partying with half of NAMA'S finest developers.

This is just ad hominem and dishonest at that. Wallace has exposed significant activities regarding issues in NAMA and how they operate, many of them further developed by Frank Connolly in his book.

As for 'his partying with Nama's finest developers' - perhaps you could be more specific, who, when and where?

Danzy

Wallace's work on exposing corruption in the State and Guards have ensured his position as one of the best TDs in decades.

I'm no fan if his but credit where it is due.

FrancieBrady

Danzy wrote: »

Wallace's work on exposing corruption in the State and Guards have ensured his position as one of the best TDs in decades.

I'm no fan if his but credit where it is due.

No fan either, but he and a few others have done the state a huge service tbh.

Eric Cartman

No idea if he'll do it but ill give Casey my no.1

blackwhite

Flyer in from Eamonn Murphy today. I doubt even Iona would fund this level of nuttiness.

Gemma O’Doherty, Ben Gilroy and the rest look positively sane in comparison.

Eric Cartman

blackwhite wrote: »

Flyer in from Eamonn Murphy today. I doubt even Iona would fund this level of nuttiness.

Gemma O’Doherty, Ben Gilroy and the rest look positively sane in comparison.

Post the flyer, this i want to see

blackwhite

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Post the flyer, this i want to see

I’m not giving the vile specimen the publicity.

To sum up - abortion causes breast cancer, and is a conspiracy being forced upon us by the IMF and UN to control population

A few foetus pictures on the flyer as well

Surprised An Post didn’t refuse to deliver it tbh

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

I’m not giving the vile specimen the publicity.

To sum up - abortion causes breast cancer, and is a conspiracy being forced upon us by the IMF and UN to control population

A few foetus pictures on the flyer as well

Surprised An Post didn’t refuse to deliver it tbh

Looked again this morning - it appears this is the cretin behind some of the fake crisis pregnancy websites from earlier this year.

https://www.thejournal.ie/eamonn-murphy-hse-abortion-court-4518987-Mar2019/

is_that_so

blackwhite wrote: »

Flyer in from Eamonn Murphy today. I doubt even Iona would fund this level of nuttiness.

Gemma O’Doherty, Ben Gilroy and the rest look positively sane in comparison.

All of the no-hopers in these elections have wised up to how much publicity being in a national election can generate for their various causes. Expect more of them at GE time.

VinLieger

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Post the flyer, this i want to see

Its absolutely fvcking disgusting bile, we got one in yesterday too.


The likes of Gemma, Gilroy et all are just manic ignorant conspiracy theorists but after reading that flyer im of the opinion Eamon Murphy is properly EVIL

Eric Cartman

VinLieger wrote: »

Its absolutely fvcking disgusting bile, we got one in yesterday too.


The likes of Gemma, Gilroy et all are just manic ignorant conspiracy theorists but after reading that flyer im of the opinion Eamon Murphy is properly EVIL

Gemma is her own kind of crazy on multi issues , but similar enough to rita harrold on the intensely pro abortion mental side , murphy on the violently anti side these are all single issue candidates making a non EU MEP issue their entire platform for getting to europe. I hope the all fail miserably and don’t recover costs.

For Forks Sake

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Post the flyer, this i want to see

https://twitter.com/drg1985/status/1123182305873465344?s=19

expectationlost

so how much do you reckon it costs the gov to send around a leaflet to every registered voter house in the country... ~8 million https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-06-17a.596&s=general+election+cost+litir#g597.q

it only cost 1,800 to sign up as European candidate...

expectationlost

Find out which party best represents your views for European Elections https://euandi2019.eu

L1011

expectationlost wrote: »

Find out which party best represents your views for European Elections https://euandi2019.eu

Gives me every party except DDI and Renua at 60% or above. Feck knows what that means.

I also think they may have taken some rather odd sources of their data for comparisons. AAA/PBP are second for me; when I'd rather resign my right to vote than give them a preference.

Its "radar" thing is skewed as they asked two questions on environmental topics and use that to make a lot of the decision.

expectationlost

L1011 wrote: »

Its "radar" thing is skewed as they asked two questions on environmental topics and use that to make a lot of the decision.

did you alter the question weighting (I didnt)

L1011

expectationlost wrote: »

did you alter the question weighting (I didnt)

Not enough clearly - only did a few.

is_that_so

L1011 wrote: »

Gives me every party except DDI and Renua at 60% or above. Feck knows what that means.

I also think they may have taken some rather odd sources of their data for comparisons. AAA/PBP are second for me; when I'd rather resign my right to vote than give them a preference.

Its "radar" thing is skewed as they asked two questions on environmental topics and use that to make a lot of the decision.

It's just down to basic policies. Most credible political entities tend to agree to some level on a lot of things so there'll be crossover support for anyone who does it. Unless you're way out on the fringes of course! Easiest answer is to look up parties you seem to "support"!

54and56

blackwhite wrote: »

Flyer in from Eamonn Murphy today. I doubt even Iona would fund this level of nuttiness.

Gemma O’Doherty, Ben Gilroy and the rest look positively sane in comparison.

I got one yesterday and it's the most disgusting $hite that's ever landed in the letter box, pure and utter bile, see https://irishelectionliterature.com/2019/04/30/leaflet-from-eamonn-murphy-independent-dublin-ep2019/. Read the comments below the flyer!!

If my daughter had picked it up and read it I'd feel justified in boxing the head off Eamonn Murphy and whoever placed such sick language and imagery into a house where kids could easily have read it.

I seriously hope he or one of his team know on my door. I kept the flyer (hidden) beside the door and look forward to delivering it back where it came from with some focused language of my own accompanying it.

What a d1ckhead.

awec

Got a flyer today from Mark Durkan for Fine Gael which confused me, given he's a former SDLPer and their new venture with Fianna Fail.

FrancieBrady

awec wrote: »

Got a flyer today from Mark Durkan for Fine Gael which confused me, given he's a former SDLPer and their new venture with Fianna Fail.

Saw the writing on the wall like Austin Currie before him and went for a soft FG seat in Europe.
He has no defined political allegiance, just fond of the comfy seat in my opinion FF FG Lab, anyone who will have him really.

Faugheen

He hasn't a prayer I reckon. Clare Daly will mop up the northside vote, You would imagine Frances Fitzgerald will get a bit. Lynn Boylan should keep her seat while the last one is probably between Andrews and Gary Gannon, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ciaran Cuffe is competitive for the Greens either.

He'll need Frances Fitzgerald to get a big surplus I reckon, which I don't see either. Daly and Boylan will top the poll from my educated guess.