Happy International Men's Day!

Gimme A Pound

suicide_circus wrote: »

women feel cold more because when it's cold their bodies redirect warm blood from the extremities to the womb.

Erra they need to put on a ****ing jumper!

suicide_circus

Bjorn Scarce Sorrow wrote: »

Erra they need to put on a ****ing jumper!

oh I tried telling her that, didn't go down well

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

suicide_circus wrote: »

men are "under represented" in primary school teaching roles for the same reason they are "over represented" in prison populations - that is, directly proportionally to their disinterest in teaching young children and to their propensity to commit crimes.

That's not the full story, alas.

Men are treated far more harshly than women under the criminal justice system. Statistics from the UK show that men are almost twice as likely to be put into immediate custody for an indictable offence. For vehicle-related theft and assault, male first offenders are almost three times as likely to be sent to prison as female first offenders.

Catwalk model Sophia Brogan-Higgins smashed a glass into the forehead of a female security guard in a nightclub, leaving a two-inch gash, and then kicked and slapped a policewoman called to the scene. Oxford student Lavinia Woodward stabbed her ex-boyfriend in the leg with a breadknife and threw a laptop at his head. Both women got off with suspended sentences. Had these offences been committed by men, you can guess what would have happened.

Never underestimate what you can get away with if you are young, pretty, and female.

Deebles McBeebles

suicide_circus wrote: »

women feel cold more because when it's cold their bodies redirect warm blood from the extremities to the womb. analogous to how women are treated in the world but the driver is biology not malice.

I did not know that! You would think evolution would have meant it would only happen when there's a need and not just all the time.

Adding womb jumpers to my Dragon's Den list.

suicide_circus

^^^^ oh absolutely but those cases don't disprove the rule. men are in prison more because they are ON AVERAGE more aggressive, violent, risk-taking and are over represented at the lower (and higher) end of the IQ scale.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^^ oh absolutely but those cases don't disprove the rule. men are in prison more because they are ON AVERAGE more aggressive, violent, risk-taking and are over represented at the lower (and higher) end of the IQ scale.

Correct, men commit more crimes. But incarceration statistics are skewed further by the fact that women are treated more leniently than men by the courts even when they commit the same crime. A woman is less likely to go to prison, and even if she does, she will generally receive a shorter sentence.

There are around 4,000 men incarcerated in Ireland but only around 140 women.

Hector Savage

On a more positive note tomorrow is International Childrens day and also my oldest boys birthday

Grayson

Mckenna Billions Tart wrote: »

That's not the full story, alas.

Men are treated far more harshly than women under the criminal justice system. Statistics from the UK show that men are almost twice as likely to be put into immediate custody for an indictable offence. For vehicle-related theft and assault, male first offenders are almost three times as likely to be sent to prison as female first offenders.

Catwalk model Sophia Brogan-Higgins smashed a glass into the forehead of a female security guard in a nightclub, leaving a two-inch gash, and then kicked and slapped a policewoman called to the scene. Oxford student Lavinia Woodward stabbed her ex-boyfriend in the leg with a breadknife and threw a laptop at his head. Both women got off with suspended sentences. Had these offences been committed by men, you can guess what would have happened.

Never underestimate what you can get away with if you are young, pretty, and female.

And statistically women serve more time for murders.

Bias flows both ways. And it can be from both genders. Remember most judges are men.

(although due to the small number of murders that women commit it does affect men more).

joe40

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^^ oh absolutely but those cases don't disprove the rule. men are in prison more because they are ON AVERAGE more aggressive, violent, risk-taking and are over represented at the lower (and higher) end of the IQ scale.

The way I see is that the vast majority of people (male and female) in our society are non violent, and law abiding.

A small percentage are not and an even smaller percentage are capable of extreme violence. Of this cohort of our population, I'm guessing less than 1%, the vast majority are Men.

I do hate blanket terms like "Men" when talking about a particular behaviour as if all men are homogenous, and like minded. Among the male population 50% of the human race there is massive variation. (As there is among women)

Cleopatra_

Happy Men's Day! Great bunch of lads.

suicide_circus

joe40 wrote: »

The way I see is that the vast majority of people (male and female) in our society are non violent, and law abiding.

A small percentage are not and an even smaller percentage are capable of extreme violence. Of this cohort of our population, I'm guessing less than 1%, the vast majority are Men.

I do hate blanket terms like "Men" when talking about a particular behaviour as if all men are homogenous, and like minded. Among the male population 50% of the human race there is massive variation. (As there is among women)

in my post you quoted you'll see that I said "on average"....I even put it in all caps.

Outlaw Pete

Men are awesome.


https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1061711397921402882
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1060506416903942144

Badly Drunk Boy

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I did not know that! You would think evolution would have meant it would only happen when there's a need and not just all the time.

Adding womb jumpers to my Dragon's Den list.

Well, I've already bagsied the name Womb Warmers™.

suicide_circus

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Men are awesome.


https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1061711397921402882
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1060506416903942144

that one with the shooting, that is pure biology in action

Deebles McBeebles

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Well, I've already bagsied the name Womb Warmers™.

Hoisted by my own petard!

joe40

suicide_circus wrote: »

in my post you quoted you'll see that I said "on average"....I even put it in all caps.

I meant to say I wasn't contradicting your post, just elaborating slightly.
I don't think the average male is more violent, more that the cohort of people that are capable of violence, especially extreme violence, are predominantly male to a large extent.

eviltimeban

demanufactured

Bullshyte.
We don't need this crap, women don't need international women's day either.
Bullshyte...bullshyte.....bullshyte.

Plopsu

suicide_circus wrote: »

men are "under represented" in primary school teaching roles for the same reason they are "over represented" in prison populations - that is, directly proportionally to their disinterest in teaching young children and to their propensity to commit crimes.

Any thoughts on why men's disinterest in primary teaching has skyrocketed in the past thirty or forty years? There was no shortage when I was in school.

Technocentral

Plopsu wrote: »

suicide_circus wrote: »

men are "under represented" in primary school teaching roles for the same reason they are "over represented" in prison populations - that is, directly proportionally to their disinterest in teaching young children and to their propensity to commit crimes.

Any thoughts on why men's disinterest in primary teaching has skyrocketed in the past thirty or forty years? There was no shortage when I was in school.

Better salary/status in private sector?

fattymuatty

Plopsu wrote: »

Any thoughts on why men's disinterest in primary teaching has skyrocketed in the past thirty or forty years? There was no shortage when I was in school.

Because teaching used to come with a certain status in the community, the local teacher was looked up to. Now teaching doesn't come with any status.

demanufactured

fattymuatty wrote: »

Because teaching used to come with a certain status in the community, the local teacher was looked up to. Now teaching doesn't come with any status.

Plus dealing with other people's little shytes.

Mrsmum

My view of men:

My father - Beat, demeaned and humiliated my mother almost every day and his nine children too despite being highly educated and intelligent and a pillar od society always ready to champion good causes. Loved and admired by everyone outside of his family.

My brothers - in a lot of pain, never really got over their upbringing.

My husband - a very good man who was raised by a very good man. .

My sons - The best.


So the way I see it some men are bast*rds, some are good and some are wonderful.

We're all connected. It's not of benefit to women for men to be unhappy and visa versa.

Happy IMD

Richard Hillman

Men bashing day. Never in men's international day are the achievements of men celebrated. The day is used to point out our weaknesses. Mental Health, prison statistics, violence etc. Do one.

Cleopatra_

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Men bashing day. Never in men's international day are the achievements of men celebrated. The day is used to point out our weaknesses. Mental Health, prison statistics, violence etc. Do one.

Well the suicide rate last year in Ireland was really shocking. That definitely shows that there are many men in Ireland who are really struggling with their mental health and need help. That's not to that there is something wrong with men but something wrong in our society.

Plopsu

fattymuatty wrote: »

Because teaching used to come with a certain status in the community, the local teacher was looked up to. Now teaching doesn't come with any status.

Not where I come from they weren't.

Gimme A Pound

Plopsu wrote: »

Any thoughts on why men's disinterest in primary teaching has skyrocketed in the past thirty or forty years? There was no shortage when I was in school.

When you say no shortage, do you mean primary teachers were 50/50 men? Or more men than women?

I would be very surprised if there was a time when primary teaching had high numbers of men. Principals yes but not teachers.

Plopsu

Technocentral wrote: »

Better salary/status in private sector?

That wouldn't be available to the women taking up teaching posts?

Gimme A Pound

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Men bashing day. Never in men's international day are the achievements of men celebrated. The day is used to point out our weaknesses. Mental Health, prison statistics, violence etc. Do one.

But I suspect you'd be complaining if there wasn't one - why not take it back and do something about the misrepresention (which I agree is there).

Plopsu

Bjorn Scarce Sorrow wrote: »

When you say no shortage, do you mean primary teachers were 50/50 men? Or more men than women?

I would be very surprised if there was a time when primary teaching had high numbers of men. Principals yes but not teachers.

In the school I went to (admittedly a boys school), they were a majority (I think all the teaching above 'infants' level was done by male teachers).

eviltwin

Sad to see what could have been a great thread dragged down by the usual suspects with axes to grind. Could ye not stfu with the baiting for one day.

Anyway happy IMD to all the lads here, ignore the crap and have a good one

Plopsu

demanufactured wrote: »

Plus dealing with other people's little shytes.

There were little shytes forty years ago, too.

suicide_circus

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Never in men's international day are the achievements of men celebrated.

are men's victims of their own success? How do we celebrate men's achievements when nearly all significant achievements of humanity were accomplished by men? That's just called History.

spurious

suicide_circus wrote: »

are men's victims of their own success? How do we celebrate men's achievements when nearly all significant achievements of humanity were accomplished by men? That's just called History.

'History' allows us to understand why it was men achieved those things.

Nowadays, there is a whole section in the Dept of Ed. devoted to studying and trying to combat the poor performance levels of large sections of male students.

Happy IMD to all, (even the non-ridey ones).

rgodard80a

spurious wrote: »

'History' allows us to understand why it was men achieved those things.

Yeah, some guy called "Victor" wrote a lot of history.

suicide_circus

spurious wrote: »

'History' allows us to understand why it was men achieved those things.

Certainly. But you know what I mean

spurious wrote: »

Nowadays, there is a whole section in the Dept of Ed. devoted to studying and trying to combat the poor performance levels of large sections of male students.

That's interesting. What conclusion are they coming to do you know?

Gimme A Pound

Plopsu wrote: »

In the school I went to (admittedly a boys school), they were a majority (I think all the teaching above 'infants' level was done by male teachers).

The church was more involved 40 years ago - more priests and brothers teaching I suppose?

I just don't think men are as interested in primary teaching as women are - same for nursing.

Mrsmum

Bjorn Scarce Sorrow wrote: »

The church was more involved 40 years ago - more priests and brothers teaching I suppose?

I just don't think men are as interested in primary teaching as women are - same for nursing.

Maybe boys did not generally speaking have as positive experiences in school themselves so naturally then are unlikely to want it as a career. Imo school suits girls better both in terms of boys needing to move about more and also female teachers showing bias to girls. My own boys have always told me all their teachers liked the girls more. Children shouldn't be able to notice that so clearly.

jmayo

Shenshen wrote: »

Happy International Men's Day, dear male AHers.

Let us know how you celebrate it?
My husband got breakfast in bed, and I've brought cake for my two male team mates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day

Is this another fooking Hallmark brainfart day ?

Let me guess it came out of the states somewhere.

Plopsu

Bjorn Scarce Sorrow wrote: »

The church was more involved 40 years ago - more priests and brothers teaching I suppose?

I just don't think men are as interested in primary teaching as women are - same for nursing.

Nope, there was a visiting chaplain but none of the teachers were priests.

Standman

My father is a man, full of grit.

I asked him what he wanted for International Men's Day, and do you know what he asked for? A shovel.

Need I say more.

spurious

spurious wrote: »

Nowadays, there is a whole section in the Dept of Ed. devoted to studying and trying to combat the poor performance levels of large sections of male students.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Certainly. But you know what I mean


That's interesting. What conclusion are they coming to do you know?

I haven't been in touch with them for a while, but I know they were looking at styles of assessment; the beneficial effect (for all, but especially for the section of boys that were concerning them) of project or practical work that is done during the year rather than all in one week.

Certain ways of wording questions, the language used in the, how the layout of questions (or their position in an exam paper) can adversely affect boys' performance etc.. It's a whole science in itself.

The trouble is, the 'new' Junior Cert. is going to undo what little progress had been made, with its 'one size fits all, sure didn't you do your best, here's a 'partial achievement for yourself' rubbish. I don't think the general public realise just how bad it is going to be. The brown stuff will be hitting the fan big time.

There's also the problem of education among some boys as not being seen as 'cool' (for want of a better word) and in some cases even very undesirable to be 'good' at school. That's more a social thing than an educational one. The low self-esteem of boys in the lower-achieving bands is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you think you're rubbish at something, the first small hurdle you come to, you give up. I was once waiting outside a mixed second-level school on an exam day and it was frightening the number of boys who were out within an hour of the start of the exam. Sure they hadn't a chance of passing if they'd legged it before half the exam time was up. How to keep them trying is the problem.

spurious

Mrsmum wrote: »

Maybe boys did not generally speaking have as positive experiences in school themselves so naturally then are unlikely to want it as a career. Imo school suits girls better both in terms of boys needing to move about more and also female teachers showing bias to girls. My own boys have always told me all their teachers liked the girls more. Children shouldn't be able to notice that so clearly.

Strangely though, where this has been studied (admittedly, not very often), it has found that in mixed schools, the boys get more of the teacher's time - possibly not all positive time though.

El_Duderino 09

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Men bashing day. Never in men's international day are the achievements of men celebrated. The day is used to point out our weaknesses. Mental Health, prison statistics, violence etc. Do one.

You can use it like that if you like. I posted a story about a mate in work who shared his success story with testicular cancer. I admired him for pending so upfront about it.

Oh maybe I was just making men look weak and sickly in your view. But I think you'd have to be looking really hard for the most negative angle to take that approach.

You use IMD to bitch about IMD if you like. I'll probably just use it to share some info which might be of use to other men.

El_Duderino 09

jmayo wrote: »

Is this another fooking Hallmark brainfart day ?

Let me guess it came out of the states somewhere.

Yours exactly right. It started in Trinidad and Tobago in 1999 according to Wikipedia. ðŸ˜

The Pheasant2

I don't lend much thought at all to IMD, though I do find the different media reporting patterns surrounding it to be interesting.

For example I notice thejournal.ie hasn't one single article up today mentioning IMD that I can see, while IWD was plastered across the entire site, including the42.ie and the Daily edge. Don't have any gripe with this, just find it interesting is all.

silverharp

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

I don't lend much thought at all to IMD, though I do find the different media reporting patterns surrounding it to be interesting.

For example I notice thejournal.ie hasn't one single article up today mentioning IMD that I can see, while IWD was plastered across the entire site, including the42.ie and the Daily edge. Don't have any gripe with this, just find it interesting is all.

not even a google doodle :pac:

andekwarhola

We need to address the real issue. The increasingly finite number of days within the calendar year to which to append pointless celebration days.

Amirani

Nice article on the topic today in the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/19/feminist-celebrating-international-mens-day

Author: "Carys Afoko is the executive director and co-founder of Level Up, a community for feminists who want to work together to end sexism"

Content of the article took me very much by surprise having seen the author's description.

El_Duderino 09

silverharp wrote: »

not even a google doodle :pac:

I’ve seen you post about the google doodles before. You seem to put a lot of store by the google doodle.

For a man who loves to whinge about feminism, I was surprised when I asked if you cared about men’s issues and you said and has only a passing support for men’s issues.

But to be fair, your response above does betray your position. Whinge about the lack of a google doodle and have nothing to say about IMD itself. All the issues that affect men from mental health to fathers rights, and you post about the google doodle.

I think there are loads of issues to discuss and raise awareness about. So fair play to those who care enough about men’s issues to bother their hoop talk about them.