Confined Competition for Executive Officer 2018 An Garda Siochana

plectrum

honthetown - I’m not grudging hellr their success and wishing them all the best in their new position and yes directive did say PAF and PEMS but HRM did tell me last week only PAF positions being filled in this round and refusal of PAF meant exclusion from the list. Just seems HRM are making it up as they go along or else some Districts and Divisions are doing their own thing with no regard to what was agreed with FORSA

angelica4545

plectrum wrote: »

Amazed that a general EO position has been filled. Typical Garda HRM behavior - change the rules whenever it suits as FORSA won’t stand by its members. I was assured last week by a HEO in HRM that only PAF Adm positions were being offered and that anyone who refused PAF was removed from the list. Congratulations on your promotion and every best wish in your career.

What district was the General EO offer?

Bally123

I've heard that general EO positions have been assigned to people in Tipperary in the Garda College and Vetting Unit.

smacklass

Mitchells33 wrote: »

Any idea what numbers they are at in Kilkenny and Tipperary?

They have gotten as far as 4 in Kilkenny & all have rejected as far as I know....

angelica4545

smacklass wrote: »

They have gotten as far as 4 in Kilkenny & all have rejected as far as I know....

Did they get to stay on the panel after refusing?

smacklass

angelica4545 wrote: »

Did they get to stay on the panel after refusing?

No your gone from the panel & you get that in writing...it stated in the HQ Advertisement from the start that if you refuse an offer in either of the areas you select you are removed from the panel for that area.

Burton

According to Garda HR the Dublin offers had been delayed due to records being checked but advised that the first few Dublin offers should be ready to go out tomorrow 31/05/19. Advised that it was unlikely to reach my number (17) but might be on the second wave of offers.

wicklow girl

I would think it won't be too long before they get to you. There will be a good few like myself who got/ will get their first choice, and may have had Dublin as a backup as I did. I was 31 in Dublin and 4 in Wicklow and got my offer last week. It's a relief of course to get the offer formally but we still have no start date. I'm sure it won't be long coming around especially with the numbers being offered on the Dublin EO.

honthetown

There is movement on the Dublin panel today.

At least as far as number 5.

Burton

Good to know. Do you mind if I ask how you know the movement and if it is similar positionins to the other counties?

honthetown

I know a few that are high up on the panel.

Offered a choice of PAF or PEMS

bookergirl

Movement today up to at least 14 on Dublin panel.

honthetown

Will there be offers today or do Navan have to wait for people that have been offered positions to get back to them?

wicklow girl

As far as I am aware they do not move forward until a position is filled. I am open to correction.

Sue42

Apparently it’s in the 30s for Dublin now!

bookergirl

Sue42 wrote: »

Apparently it’s in the 30s for Dublin now!

Any idea what number has been reached?

Sue42

bookergirl wrote: »

Any idea what number has been reached?

Not sure, just heard the 30s. Starting to move through them now!

Bally123

Has anyone received their start date yet?

wicklow girl

Looking at the 17th as far as I know all going well. Any more movement in Dublin yet?

Bally123

wicklow girl wrote: »

Looking at the 17th as far as I know all going well. Any more movement in Dublin yet?

That's fantastic, roll on the 17th! Just wondering if a replacement for you has been allocated? A lot of stations seem to be slow to release staff until a replacement is found which I suppose is understandable if there's only one or two CO's in the station/section.

wicklow girl

No replacements yet as far as I'm aware, there's going to be huge movement so maybe a new comp

Burton

Got my offer yesterday (17 in Dublin, I was on leave for a week so only found out about it now) and was told that the contracts will be distributed the start of next week. Commencement date should be the 17/06/19.

Bally123

Just wondering if any knows if you are the only person in a particular office and the contracts do issue on the 17th, can your superintendent request that you cannot be released until a replacement CO has been allocated to that office?

Samjd

Bally123 wrote: »

Just wondering if any knows if you are the only person in a particular office and the contracts do issue on the 17th, can your superintendent request that you cannot be released until a replacement CO has been allocated to that office?

I’d say there will be a lot of that happening, where I am anyway there’s no backfill arriving anytime soon.
I presume you can be promoted anyway and only move when your replacement arrives but then I don’t know what happens with training.

angelica4545

Has anyone here received a contract or seen one. Heard mention of 'acting capacity and 'temporary' on it????

wicklow girl

Heard on Friday that paf training will start end of June. Taking everything with a pinch of salt. Gonna be a problem in my place with replacement staff as well.

Bally123

From reading the other threads, if replacements are coming from the open CO competition,we could all be waiting a while to be released!!! There appears to be people waiting to vetted for 16 to 20 weeks!! Surely HR have considered this and factored it in to the placements...........!!

hellr

Bally123 wrote: »

From reading the other threads, if replacements are coming from the open CO competition,we could all be waiting a while to be released!!! There appears to be people waiting to vetted for 16 to 20 weeks!! Surely HR have considered this and factored it in to the placements...........!!

From what I have heard they can only hold you for a month from your official letter. They cannot prevent you from being promoted

IrishPhoenix

Got contract and it is an offer for promotion in an 'acting capacity' and 'the appointment is temporary. Wtf?

Burton

Maybe that's how they all show up for the first year while in probation?

IrishPhoenix

Burton wrote:

Maybe that's how they all show up for the first year while in probation?

The offer is acting EO. no mention of probationary period at all. And a line that says you can be reverted to CO at any time for any reason. Surely if you sign this contract, they have you over a barrel? I applied for permanent EO not acting and temporary.

babydream

IrishPhoenix wrote: »

The offer is acting EO. no mention of probationary period at all. And a line that says you can be reverted to CO at any time for any reason. Surely if you sign this contract, they have you over a barrel? I applied for permanent EO not acting and temporary.

Were you offered PAF or a different position

IrishPhoenix

babydream wrote:

Were you offered PAF or a different position

PAF

bookergirl

babydream wrote: »

Were you offered PAF or a different position

Has anybody clarified this 'acting position' with HR, don't want to bombard them if someone has?

IrishPhoenix

bookergirl wrote: »

Has anybody clarified this 'acting position' with HR, don't want to bombard them if someone has?

I got no satisfaction anyway. All the HEOs are in meetings. They just referred me to a HQ circular but if i sign it as is, they can do anything they want in the future and I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd say everybody complain about it because they won't change it unless we do.

babydream

IrishPhoenix wrote: »

I got no satisfaction anyway. All the HEOs are in meetings. They just referred me to a HQ circular but if i sign it as is, they can do anything they want in the future and I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd say everybody complain about it because they won't change it unless we do.

That's just shocking they don't treat the Sergeants this way!!! Has anyone spoke to the union about it? See what there position is?

bookergirl

IrishPhoenix wrote: »

I got no satisfaction anyway. All the HEOs are in meetings. They just referred me to a HQ circular but if i sign it as is, they can do anything they want in the future and I'd have no leg to stand on. I'd say everybody complain about it because they won't change it unless we do.

did they say which circular?

IrishPhoenix

bookergirl wrote: »

did they say which circular?

63/18. Which makes no mention of acting capacity.

Bally123

This whole process has been a shambles from the beginning....this 'acting position' is just another curveball...are they trying to put us off taking the promotions???

Burton

I just mentioned this to my HEO that works in my office and she said that was the same wording that was on her EO and HEO contract and that is the wording that HR use for probation.

bookergirl

Burton wrote: »

I just mentioned this to my HEO that works in my office and she said that was the same wording that was on her EO and HEO contract and that is the wording that HR use for probation.

Just checked with recently promoted EO in my office, contract was standard and had 1 year probationary period on it, nothing about temporary or acting.
Think people need to contact the union on this and get clarification asap. I am anyway.

angelica4545

bookergirl wrote: »

Just checked with recently promoted EO in my office, contract was standard and had 1 year probationary period on it, nothing about temporary or acting.
Think people need to contact the union on this and get clarification asap. I am anyway.

I'm not in the union would you mind letting us know any advice you get if possible? No hassle if you can't.

bookergirl

No problem, no word back from union yet will update post if I get one.

angelica4545

bookergirl wrote: »

Just checked with recently promoted EO in my office, contract was standard and had 1 year probationary period on it, nothing about temporary or acting.
Think people need to contact the union on this and get clarification asap. I am anyway.

Was this EO promoted internally or from a different dept?

bookergirl

angelica4545 wrote: »

Was this EO promoted internally or from a different dept?

Promoted on open competition, but all the paperwork came from HR Navan

Bally123

Looking at the circular HQ.063.2018 it does state the conditions of service for promotion on pg 5. Basically you are on probation for 1 year and following probationary review, if successful, you'll be made permanent.

bookergirl

Bally123 wrote: »

Looking at the circular HQ.063.2018 it does state the conditions of service for promotion on pg 5. Basically you are on probation for 1 year and following probationary review, if successful, you'll be made permanent.

Yes, the circular says 1 year probation however there is no mention of probation on the form of acceptance. just the acting and temporary as mentioned before on the thread.

Bally123

bookergirl wrote: »

Yes, the circular says 1 year probation however there is no mention of probation on the form of acceptance. just the acting and temporary as mentioned before on the thread.

True....

Burton

Does the contrac make reference to the specific H.Q. Circular cause if it does then that's the legal document that it refers to I believe.

bookergirl

Burton wrote: »

Does the contrac make reference to the specific H.Q. Circular cause if it does then that's the legal document that it refers to I believe.

The conditions of service on circular 63/18 states that the candidates will be appointed to an established positions as Executive Officers on a probationer contract for a period of 1 year.
There is no mention of temporary or acting and no reference to the passage on the directive on the 'Terms of Acceptance'
p.s still no word from union on this.