New ROI Soccer Manager

andekwarhola

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

What about some of the lads who want cushy jobs in studios (Duff, Kilbane etc..). Light a fire under them & get them to do a bit of work. Christ its possible Duff could spend the next 40 years slouched in RTE with his big sour puss on him.

Duff is a full time academy and first team coach at Shamrock Rovers. Doesn't take a wage either.

Brendan Bendar

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

What about some of the lads who want cushy jobs in studios (Duff, Kilbane etc..). Light a fire under them & get them to do a bit of work. Christ its possible Duff could spend the next 40 years slouched in RTE with his big sour puss on him.

I would rule out Kenny and Duff after the remarks they made before the Liam Millar game.

They showed that they couldn’t see the big picture, which is a competence needed for an International manager.

That said, McCarthy is a stop gap,three years at most while the FAI try to draw breath.

Right now they are at the bottom of the wheel regarding talent, the next three or four years are going to be lean,and the FAI are well behind the IRFU and the GAA in terms of attendances and organisation and despite idiots saying that these codes were not in competition for the youngsters, the FAI have discovered that they are.

The team are listless and unmotivated.

Would a League of Ireland selection be as bad, one could argue that they wouldn’t. Would it be worth a try?

At least you would have some spirit,in my opinion.

Either way lean years for a while I’m afraid.

andekwarhola

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Ruud Dokter has been mentioned for the last 5 years and we're not winning anything. No doubt we do have young lads coming through but the whole system is f*cked.

Norn Iron and the Scots have plenty of those young lads at English clubs too so we're not special.

It's going to take longer than 5 years.

And as said, the elephant in the room is that the elite youth teams are supposed to be coming from LOI teams who struggle financially because of low interest.

Low interest from the same people that often support English football teams but spend their time complaining that we don't bring players through.

The structures are going in the right direction, it just needs the footballing public to be more supportive. And if they don't, don't complain that we're not competing.

tigger123

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I would rule out Kenny and Duff after the remarks they made before the Liam Millar game.

They showed that they couldn’t see the big picture, which is a competence needed for an International manager.

That said, McCarthy is a stop gap,three years at most while the FAI try to draw breath.

Right now they are at the bottom of the wheel regarding talent, the next three or four years are going to be lean,and the FAI are well behind the IRFU and the GAA in terms of attendances and organisation and despite idiots saying that these codes were not in competition for the youngsters, the FAI have discovered that they are.

The team are listless and unmotivated.

Would a League of Ireland selection be as bad, one could argue that they wouldn’t. Would it be worth a try?

At least you would have some spirit,in my opinion.

Either way lean years for a while I’m afraid.

As a paying fan, I would be more interested in what they could bring to the squad in terms of development for the future and playing organised, and possibly attractive football, right now.

I'm not sure their opinions on a testimonial match are of much relevance.

weldoninhio

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

What about some of the lads who want cushy jobs in studios (Duff, Kilbane etc..). Light a fire under them & get them to do a bit of work. Christ its possible Duff could spend the next 40 years slouched in RTE with his big sour puss on him.

Duff is involved with Shamrock Rovers and the U-15s with Ireland.

Brendan Bendar

andekwarhola wrote: »

It's going to take longer than 5 years. And as said, the elephant in the room is that the elite youth teams are supposed to be LOI teams who struggle financially because of low interest.

Low interest from the same people that support English football teams but spend their time complaining that we don't bring players through.

I would agree with your timeline but low interest is low interest and unfortunately you cannot force people to be ‘interested’.

I can remember when an interprovincial between Munster and Leinster might attract 300 people with a few dogs included.

Look at the change now.
Maybe the soccer people might invest in home talent, it couldn’t be worse than the setup we have now.

Edgware

Step forward Roddy Collins, your country needs you.
You will be as good a bluffer as any of the names being mentioned.

Brendan Bendar

tigger123 wrote: »

As a paying fan, I would be more interested in what they could bring to the squad in terms of development for the future and playing organised, and possibly attractive football, right now.

I'm not sure their opinions on a testimonial match are of much relevance.

I would agree there, but both of them showed very poor judgement and were left with a lot of egg on their faces after the Liam Millar game.

What I would worry about is that if they were so badly offside in that event could you trust them at international level.

I’m afraid I couldn’t, especially Duff who for me as a pundit is lacking drive charisma and gravitas to motivate sports people.

Jury might be out on Kenny, but I wouldn’t take that chance.

MrMusician18

Martin O'Neill wasn't given a chance to turn things around. Booting home out was complete short termism

Last person if want to see in the job is Kenny. I won't watch them with him in charge.

andekwarhola

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I would agree with your timeline but low interest is low interest and unfortunately you cannot force people to be ‘interested’.

I've no interest in a debate about who should be supporting who. Each to their own I think.

Just saying that for years, England helped us bridge the gaps in our player development. Now that's essentially at an end. They've moved on and don't rate our young players.

If you want players coming through regularly and by extension, a good international team, we need a functioning domestic senior and academy scene.

As long as we don't have that, you have to accept that we'll struggle at this level, occasional talents aside.

I haven't really bothered with the national team for a long time (although I hope they do well) so I'm not particularly bothered one way or another apart from my interest in underage and domestic football as I'm involved in it.

Brendan Bendar

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Martin O'Neill wasn't given a chance to turn things around. Booting home out was complete short termism

Last person if want to see in the job is Kenny. I won't watch them with him in charge.

I wouldn’t agree with the first line.

I would have some sympathy with the second line.

Laois_Man

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I would agree with your timeline but low interest is low interest and unfortunately you cannot force people to be ‘interested’.

I can remember when an interprovincial between Munster and Leinster might attract 300 people with a few dogs included.

Look at the change now.
Maybe the soccer people might invest in home talent, it couldn’t be worse than the setup we have now.

These comparisons with Rugby - There's only about 9 countries in the world who play it. New Zealand and maybe Wales are the only countries in the world where Rugby is the top sport and it has become even more diluted since Rugby League took off.

There could be a capacity crowd of 18,000 fans at a Leinster Heiniken Cup game at the RDS and it would be the top, or at least the second highest attendance at a rugby match in all of Europe that weekend. They can attract good players from all over and the fact that the teams are called Leinster, Munster, Connaught and Ulster means everyone in the country can feel that one of the four is their local team. If you try to create any more than 4, it becomes too diluted to make any of them competitive. As it is, the financial bar is relatively low meaning the Irish teams can compete with Europe's best and there's a product for people to be interested in if they like rugby.

Soccer is entirely different. It's played everywhere. Clubs all over the World are filling stadiums with over 50,000 fans 25+ times a year, have massive TV deals, and have turnovers in the hundreds of millions. It should be stating the obvious that Irish clubs cannot compete with this. There's 20 league of Ireland teams, all of which appeal to a small catchment area, leaving a large population of the country with no team to attach to, even if they wanted to. The level of players imported are not going to get anyone excited. The nearest club to me growing up was the now defunct Kilkenny City - but as someone who grew up with a father as a former Laois county player and then county team selector, I had the GAA mentality ingrained in me and I would never in a million years have supported any team called Kilkenny - even though I liked soccer. I didn't support Leinster either - but I probably would have if I liked rugby!

There's never going to be the money for the FAI to invest. It's a totally different animal.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Edgware wrote: »

Step forward Roddy Collins, your country needs you.
You will be as good a bluffer as any of the names being mentioned.

He gets all the finest jobber tailor made from Louis Copeland.

Always turns out well does Rod.

Would be a fine ambassador.

chrissb8

What is the obsession with dinosaur managers who have no idea about modern football.

Look at England. Employ Gareth Southgate, a young manager with fresh ideas and a defined modern idea of how he wants to play football. Lo and behold the whole thing feels reinvigorated after years of OAP's or Near OAP's.

Not being ageist but not everyone is a Fergie who adapted and moved with the times. Some are stuck and stubborn. With a big sense of "I know best" about them. Not humble enough to re-evaluate and adapt constantly.

All these old managers have outdated tactics and blood n guts approach. They're being found out among the tactical masterclasses, the excruciating attention to detail that is the way of managing a football side today.

Great days supporting Mick's Ireland team but is this not just a huge step backwards. We should be looking to the long-term vision of actually getting a set type of play that allows us to at least compete in the modern era. Just don't think Mick McCarthy is the man.

tonycascarino

Don't want Kenny. John Delaney ain't going to pick him anyway so it doesn't matter. He might be a good LOI manager but that is not even a relation of International management or day to day management of a Premiership/Championship side. In any case his credentials are light years off the likes of Mick McCarthy or Sam Allardyce.

andekwarhola

tonycascarino wrote: »

Don't want Kenny. John Delaney ain't going to pick him anyway so it doesn't matter. He might be a good LOI manager but that is not even a relation of International management or day to day management of a Premiership/Championship side. In any case his credentials are light years off the likes of Mick McCarthy or Sam Allardyce.

Would you take Michael O Neill who only coached at lower Scottish league and LOI level before taking on the NI job?

Paul Cook is another candidate that was on the list who managed here before moving up to management in England.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Lets put forward our shortlist of candidates then.

Mick McCarthy
Stephen Kenny
Sam Allardyce
?
?

Who else is realistically in the running?

Yer Da sells Avon

Looks like a done deal.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12020/11561475/fai-hopeful-of-mick-mccarthy-deal-in-next-48-hours

Laois_Man

According to RTE, it is done

Mick McCarthy has been formally offered the role of Republic of Ireland manger for the second time, it has been reported this evening.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1123/1012980-mick-mccarthy-formally-offered-ireland-job-report/

Ipso

Future person to blame for sh1t team.

Brendan Bendar

tonycascarino wrote: »

Don't want Kenny. John Delaney ain't going to pick him anyway so it doesn't matter. He might be a good LOI manager but that is not even a relation of International management or day to day management of a Premiership/Championship side. In any case his credentials are light years off the likes of Mick McCarthy or Sam Allardyce.

Yes, credentials are the deal, the Liam Millar programme notes put the nail in his football coffin as far as International Football was concerned,in my opinion.

Showed very poor judgement there, which is a pity really as he has some success on the football field.

Duff would be a non runner as his input on the pundit scene is non existent.

Gunther1979

terry henry killed irish football
we never recovered,

Brendan Bendar

Mick is in it would appear.

Breaking noos.

Cockford Ollie

Mick is a boring appointment. He's past it I'd say.

mzungu

A bad move. I doubt Mick can bring much to the fold. The players are not up to much either so it's a bad combination.

Gunther1979

Cockford Ollie wrote: »

Mick is a boring appointment. He's past it I'd say.

as long as delaney is filling his pockets we ain't going nowhere

fiveleavesleft

Gunther1979 wrote: »

terry henry killed irish football
we never recovered,

Eh did we not we have the most successful 5 years in our football history after that night? Apart from the Charlton years of course. :D

Gunther1979

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

Eh did we not we have the most successful 5 years in our football history after that night? Apart from the Charlton years of course. :D

south africa was going to be like italia 90 all over again
the country need that boost
but terry long finger henry robbed us of our destiny

eta
we should have been there fair n square

and the fcukin french go out there, play ,****, go no fans, got no ground

Franz Von Peppercorn

Gunther1979 wrote: »

south africa was going to be like italia 90 all over again
the country need that boost
but terry long finger henry robbed us of our destiny

eta
we should have been there fair n square

and the fcukin french go out there, play ,****, go no fans, got no ground

Time to move on. Time to move on.

Gunther1979

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Time to move on. Time to move on.

says the arsenal fan

fiveleavesleft

Gunther1979 wrote: »

south africa was going to be like italia 90 all over again
the country need that boost
but terry long finger henry robbed us of our destiny

eta
we should have been there fair n square

and the fcukin french go out there, play ,****, go no fans, got no ground

Ah no Gunther that was a great moment, only bettered by Suarez v Ghana a few months later. The mask slipped, football & reality chimed in perfect unison.

Church on Tuesday

tonycascarino wrote: »

Don't want Kenny. John Delaney ain't going to pick him anyway so it doesn't matter. He might be a good LOI manager but that is not even a relation of International management or day to day management of a Premiership/Championship side. In any case his credentials are light years off the likes of Mick McCarthy or Sam Allardyce.

No.

Good God no.

Atoms for Peace

The FAI must want mediocrity.

Drumpot

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The FAI must want mediocrity.

And for the attention to switch off Delaney...

Sir Oxman

1.2 mil per year is a joke

Laois_Man

I won't sign this petition myself, but in the interests of democracy, there is a petition to remove John Delaney from the FAI - 17,307 signatures so far!

https://www.change.org/p/football-association-of-ireland-remove-john-delaney-as-head-of-the-fai

Cork Boy 53

Gunther1979 wrote: »

terry henry killed irish football
we never recovered,

One Thierry Henry handball killed Irish football? Ridiculous comment.

Cork Boy 53

Gunther1979 wrote: »

south africa was going to be like italia 90 all over again
the country need that boost
but terry long finger henry robbed us of our destiny

eta
we should have been there fair n square

and the fcukin french go out there, play ,****, go no fans, got no ground

Apart from the rest of the above nonsense, even if the goal scored by Gallas had been disallowed Ireland would still not necessarily have qualified for the 2010 World Cup. At best it would have meant extra time and possible penalties in that match.

Cork Boy 53

Sir Oxman wrote: »

1.2 mil per year is a joke

O Neil was getting a salary of approx 2 million euro per year and a reported 1 million golden handshake this week.

Laois_Man

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Apart from the rest of the above nonsense, even if the goal scored by Gallas had been disallowed Ireland would still not necessarily have qualified for the 2010 World Cup. At best it would have meant extra time and possible penalties in that match.

We were already in extra time. The Gallas goal was scored on 103 minutes - only 17 minutes from penos

I like to console myself by saying we would have lost the penalty shootout

And also, that we got our Karma after spending at that stage, over 23-years laughing our arses off at Maradonna's hand of God!

jay0109

Sir Oxman wrote: »

1.2 mil per year is a joke

Exactly. For a manager out of work and nearing the end of is career, it's a sick joke.
And Giggs on 300k reputedly in Wales.

Makes McCarthy 1 of the highest paid managers in Int'l football. How many youth coaches would 800k a year hire here at home

pgj2015

I am glad o neil and keane are gone and I have no real problem with mccarthy getting the job but I dont get the people who say mick did a good job the last time so he should do similar this time.

mick had roy keane, robbie keane, damien duff, shay given, steve finan, players who were playing for top premier league clubs and were playing in the champions league. I remember mcateer was playing in division 1 with blackburn rovers, that was unusual at the time, we didnt need to pick players from division 1 because we had so many premier league players.

now half our team are players from the championship.

Laois_Man

pgj2015 wrote: »

I am glad o neil and keane are gone and I have no real problem with mccarthy getting the job but I dont get the people who say mick did a good job the last time so he should do similar this time.

mick had roy keane, robbie keane, damien duff, shay given, steve finan, players who were playing for top premier league clubs and were playing in the champions league. I remember mcateer was playing in division 1 with blackburn rovers, that was unusual at the time, we didnt need to pick players from division 1 because we had so many premier league players.

now half our team are players from the championship.

Roy Keane is the only one of those players you've listed who was an international footballer before Mick McCarthy got the job

When Mick put them in the Ireland team (which helped get them their moves):
Robbie Keane was playing for Wolves
Duff was also playing for Blackburn
Given was on loan at Sunderland in what is now The Championship too
Finnan was with Fulham in what is now League One

paleoperson

Laois_Man wrote: »

Roy Keane is the only one of those players you've listed who was an international footballer before Mick McCarthy got the job

When Mick put them in the Ireland team (which helped get them their moves):
Robbie Keane was playing for Wolves
Duff was also playing for Blackburn
Given was on loan at Sunderland in what is now The Championship too
Finnan was with Fulham in what is now League One

yeah, Charlton had the best players, McCarthy did almost as well with much worse players. I'm not a big football guy but I can't understand anyone saying McCarthy didn't do a good job. Not only did he get great results but he also got them playing good. Maybe part of the fact that we think of Robbie Keane, Steve Staunton, Shay Given, Jason McAteer (... to some extent) as world greats is because of what McCarthy helped them do.

AllGunsBlazing

I suspect this will be Delaney's final appointment as CEO. There is finally a sense of enough is enough with the media (at long last) actually applying some degree scrutiny to the job he's doing. You even have the likes of Niall Quinn openly jockeying for his position.


If McCarthy gets us to the Euros then the bandwagon will roll on for a few more years. But that's highly unlikely imo. Wouldn't be surprised if Delaney is already planning his escape from the FAI into another cushy number.

The Moldy Gowl

Laois_Man wrote: »

Roy Keane is the only one of those players you've listed who was an international footballer before Mick McCarthy got the job

When Mick put them in the Ireland team (which helped get them their moves):
Robbie Keane was playing for Wolves
Duff was also playing for Blackburn
Given was on loan at Sunderland in what is now The Championship too
Finnan was with Fulham in what is now League One

Those lads would have always got their big moves regardless. They were all highly rated from a young age.

The national team manager doesn't get time to develop players. The club managers are way more responsible for that

timthumbni

I actually thought youse may have considered Lennon from Hibs but didn’t hear much mention of him. In the end there is a pretty limited talent pool to pick from so wouldn’t be a job For someone easily frustrated.

NI can barely score at the minute either and they need to improve vastly if they want a chance to qualify for the euros. Even though it is easier than it was in the past.

Sir Oxman

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

O Neil was getting a salary of approx 2 million euro per year and a reported 1 million golden handshake this week.

It's shocking stuff
Wasting scarce resources

martingriff

Sir Oxman wrote: »

It's shocking stuff
Wasting scarce resources

Well considering if they just fired him it could have been 3 million but I agree wages is shocking. I wonder did they offer McCarthy 1.2 million or did he look for it

NIMAN

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

O Neil was getting a salary of approx 2 million euro per year and a reported 1 million golden handshake this week.

I read various reports that the 'dream teams' wage bill was €1.8million annually.

€1m for MON, and €800k for Keano.