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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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    #572
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    In my opinion least 4 if not more.

    Two shots from the behind at least and two shots from the front.

    So you say he is a credible witness then you disbelieve your credible witness when he says he heard 3 shots, this is a police officer who would know what gunshots sound like.


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    #573
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Is it 4 or is it more?

    Who shot each bullet with what gun from what area? and where did each bullet go?

    We'll start from there.

    I believe there was a shooter team stationed on the roof of Dal-Tex building. A rifle shell was found by a repairman in 1977. It has a better line of sight compared to the 6th floor of TSBD. They fired at least two bullets at Kennedy from behind? The bullet that hit Kennedy in the back came from behind. The bullet that hit Connelly came from behind.

    Grassy knoll and possible another hidden location in the front. One bullet entered Kennedy's throat from the front and lodged in his internal organs. One bullet hit Kennedy head on the of right side above the ear this shot came from the Grassy Knoll. 1 or 2 bullets missed.

    Bullets that were found were confiscated and hidden.


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    #574
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I believe there was a shooter team stationed on the roof of Dal-Tex building. A rifle shell was found by a repairman in 1977. It has a better line of sight compared to the 6th floor of TSBD. They fired at least two bullets at Kennedy from behind? The bullet that hit Kennedy in the back came from behind. The bullet that hit Connelly came from behind.

    Grassy knoll and possible another hidden location in the front. One bullet entered Kennedy's throat from the front and lodged in his internal organs. One bullet hit Kennedy head on the of right side above the ear this shot came from the Grassy Knoll. 1 or 2 bullets missed.

    Bullets that were found were confiscated and hidden.

    So.your credible witness is lying when he said he only heard 3 shots?


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    #575
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So.your credible witness is lying when he said he only heard 3 shots?

    No 60 years of hearing only 3 shots were fired by different people it came dogma.

    One shot missed the target. So the Warren Commission could only work with two bullets. That why the magic bullet theory exists.

    One bullet did incredible things and caused multiple injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly. They ignored there was a second shooter and Connelly was hit by another bullet.


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    #576
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    No 60 years of hearing only 3 shots were fired by different people it came dogma.

    One shot missed the target. So the Warren Commission could only work with two bullets. That why the magic bullet theory exists.

    One bullet did incredible things and caused multiple injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly. They ignored there was a second shooter and Connelly was hit by another bullet.

    Hold on

    He stated in his afidavit that he heard 3 shots, is he lying or are you saying he was mistaken? :confused:


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    #577
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Seymour Weitzman is not wrong in his statement and Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun they found at the TSBD.

    Only 1 shot fired from the TSBD hit Kennedy and Connelly There two unexplained bullets!


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    #578
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Seymour Weitzman is not wrong in his statement and Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun they found at the TSBD.

    Only 1 shot fired from the TSBD hit Kennedy. There two unexplained bullets!

    He stated the next day in his afidavit that there were 3 shots! Not 2 not 10 but 3! Is he wrong about this?


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    #579
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I believe there was a shooter team stationed on the roof of Dal-Tex building.

    How many and who were they?
    A rifle shell was found by a repairman in 1977.

    Okay, what is the link?
    They fired at least two bullets at Kennedy from behind? The bullet that hit Kennedy in the back came from behind. The bullet that hit Connelly came from behind.

    According to who?
    Grassy knoll and possible another hidden location in the front. One bullet entered Kennedy's throat from the front and lodged in his internal organs. One bullet hit Kennedy head on the of right side above the ear this shot came from the Grassy Knoll. 1 or 2 bullets missed.

    According to who?
    Bullets that were found were confiscated and hidden.

    By whom and how?


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    #580
    Cheerful Spring
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    He stated the next day in his afidavit that there were 3 shots! Not 2 not 10 but 3! Is he wrong about this?

    I just posted his affidavit and this was done before the cover-up ramped up. He said Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun they found. Explain how 1 bullet caused multiple injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly? A miraculous bullet indeed.


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    #581
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    How many and who were they?



    Okay, what is the link?



    According to who?



    According to who?



    By whom and how?

    Direct your questions to the people involved in the cover-up.


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    #582
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I just posted his affidavit and this was done before the cover-up ramped up. He said Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun they found. Explain how 1 bullet caused multiple injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly? A miraculous bullet indeed.

    A simple question, he stated he heard 3 shots, is he lying about this? Is he wrong? He is a police officer who was there that day who knows what gunfire sounds like.


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    #583
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I just posted his affidavit and this was done before the cover-up ramped up. He said Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun they found. How can it possible 1 bullet caused multiple injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly. A miraculous bullet indeed.

    The fact that "magic bullet" had 7 purported different entry and exit wounds and was found relatively in tact is not plausible. It is even more implausible when you are lead to believe that kill shot to the head exploded into many many tiny fragments. How can ballistics experts explain that one bullet is frangible and the other is not. There is an inherent inconsistency here. It would imply more than one gun and more than 1 shooter.


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    #584
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Direct your questions to the people involved in the cover-up.

    That went as expected


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    #585
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    A simple question, he stated he heard 3 shots, is he lying about this? Is he wrong? He is a police officer who was there that day who knows what gunfire sounds like.

    Show me a statement he heard 3 shots on that day. Not a day later, a week later, a month later or years later.

    There plenty of eyewitnesses who heard more than 3 shots, but their statements were ignored. The 3 shots are based on the belief Oswald was the only shooter.


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    #586
    Dohnjoe
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    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    The fact that "magic bullet" had 7 purported different entry and exit wounds and was found relatively in tact is not plausible.

    Bullets entering the human body can do pretty extraordinary things. Most people get their "ballistics knowledge" from films and TV, the reality is very different.


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    #587
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    With reference to Ruby. Again this guy had links to mob in New Orleans. He was visited by mob in prison. Dancers from New Orleans worked in his club. We know Dallas cops frequented his club. He was kicked out of mob in Chicago. He wired money to a lap dancer in Western Union after parking his car 1 block away from underground Dallas police station. It's naive to think that Ruby did not carry out this hit for the mob. He was stalking Oswald for 2 days and mob likely knew that Ruby had the ear of some of Dallas finest law enforcement officers. They probably made Ruby an offer he could not refuse.

    Ruby feared for his life. He wanted to be transferred to Washington. Earl Warren and associates visited him. Warren said and I am paraphrasing here "Well Jack if you fear for your life I would not reveal what you know". This coming from the guy who headed up the investigation into the assassination. You could not make it up.


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    #588
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Show me a statement he heard 3 shots on that day. Not a day later, a week later, a month later or years later.

    There plenty of eyewitnesses who heard more than 3 shots, but their statements were ignored. The 3 shots are based on the belief Oswald was the only shooter.

    In his afidavit that you posted he claims to have heard 3 shots. Are you saying he lied?
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »

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    #589
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    That went as expected

    Your questions are stupid. If we knew who the other shooters were exactly we would not be debating this event. The facts clearly show Oswald was not the only shooter. CIA has done a lot of bad **** around them world, but how many of them have ratted on their own very few. They are closed group they hang in their own circles and don't expect info to leak. What we witnessed in 2017 showed me there was a conspiracy. The FBI and CIA clearly showed they are hiding information from the public. If Oswald was a lone gunman every file should have got released unredacted and in full. Instead, they told Trump hundreds if not thousands of files have to remain classified.


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    #590
    weisses
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    That went as expected

    Did you an King Mob attend the same debating technique course ?


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    #591
    Cheerful Spring
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    In his afidavit that you posted he claims to have heard 3 shots. Are you saying he lied?

    The Whole Oswald saga began on the 22nd. This affidavit was the next day. He may have heard only 3 shots like some people only heard 2 shots and some people heard more than 3 shots. We cannot hear the rifle sounds, so who knows.


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    #592
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The Whole Oswald saga began on the 22nd. This affidavit was the next day. He may have heard only 3 shots, like some people only heard 2 and some people heard more than 3 shots. Without hearing the rifle sounds we are guessing.

    So youre saying that your own witness who you have quoted is wrong?

    So why is he wrong about hearing 3 shots but right about the bits you chose to use fto further your agenda?


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    #593
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Your questions are stupid.

    We're just supposed to blindly accept your theory of unknown men on the roof of the Dal-Tex building?

    We aren't allowed to question that in any way?

    Do you require some sort of special "treatment" whereby you don't have to provide evidence for theories like everyone else has to?


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    #594
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So youre saying that your own witness who you have quoted is wrong?

    So why is he wrong about hearing 3 shots but right about the bits you chose to use fto further your agenda?

    But hearing 3 shots doesn't confirm Oswald fired a gun from the TSBD. You ignored the part where he said Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun chamber.

    If thats a true then it obvious there was a second shooter? It well known 1 bullet hit a curb and missed Kennedy and Connelly.

    That still doesn't mean there were not more shots. People who were much closer to Kennedy said they heard only 2 shots and some heard more than 3


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    #595
    weisses
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    We're just supposed to blindly accept your theory of unknown men on the roof of the Dal-Tex building?

    We aren't allowed to question that in any way?

    Do you require some sort of special "treatment" whereby you don't have to provide evidence for theories like everyone else has to?

    Chuckles

    You can provide sources and debate it ... what is this unhealthy obsession about evidence in a CT debate ?? ... specially if it only works one way


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    #596
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    But hearing 3 shots doesn't confirm Oswald fired a gun from the TSBD. You ignored the part where he said Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the gun chamber.

    If thats a true then it obvious there was a second shooter? It well known 1 bullet hit a curb and missed Kennedy and Connelly.

    That still doesn't mean there were not more shots. People who were much closer to Kennedy said they heard only 2 shots and some heard more than 3

    If he was worng about 3 shots he could be wrong about the rest, wheres the statement from the other people there to back up what he says?


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    #597
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    weisses wrote: »
    Did you an King Mob attend the same debating technique course ?

    Basic reason, skepticism and rationale.


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    #598
    Cheerful Spring
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If he was worng about 3 shots he could be wrong about the rest, wheres the statement from the other people there to back up what he says?

    He could have heard only three shots, people hear different things during a crazy event. Like people right next to Kennedy heard only 2 shots and some heard more than 3. You seem unable to understand that.

    I not sure why he would state Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the chamber if never happened.


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    #599
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,531 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    He could have heard only three shots, people hear different things during a crazy event. Like people right next to Kennedy heard only 2 shots and some heard more than 3. You seem unable to understand that.

    I not sure why he would state Capt Fritz ejected a live round from the chamber if never happened.

    Where is fritz statemnet saying the same? Or anyone else who was there?


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    #600
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,936 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    weisses wrote: »
    Chuckles

    You can provide sources and debate it ... what is this unhealthy obsession about evidence in a CT debate ?? ... specially if it only works one way

    It's a conspiracy "theory" forum isn't it, where's the theories?


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    #601
    weisses
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Where is fritz statemnet saying the same? Or anyone else who was there?

    Do you believe the affidavit to be accurate ?


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