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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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    #722
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »


    Basic questions still not answered

    - how was the left side JFKs brain and skull not damaged at all with a shot from the front right?
    - how did the people standing right beside the knoll shooter not hear him?

    Can anyone answer?

    In a December 2007 report on a scientific analysis of the bullet fragments from the JFK assassination a finding of more than one shooter is made clear. There is no possiblilty that Oswald could have been the only shooter in the JFK killing. If he was involved at all in the assassination plot the forensic analysis shows that at least 2 guns were used. If Oswald was a shooter then he had to have at least one associate in the murder of the President.

    William Tobin who worked for the FBI as a laboratory metallurgist, Cliff Spiegelman of Texas University and William James also of Texas University reported the new findings. The facts came from statistical calculations and modern chemical analysis of bullets from the same lot Oswald supposedly used in the crime of the century.

    Dr. Hughes testified that 40 to 50 bullet fragments were found in JFK's brain and skull at autopsy. This clearly makes it impossible for the mortal wound to have come from Oswald's rifle. This would be from a fragmentation type round like a hollow point or exploding cartridge. The full metal jacket military rounds used in the Italian Carcano rifle owned by Oswald, if it were used and fired from behind JFK, could not and would not have resulted in the type of head explosion clearly visible in the Zapruder film. Three spent cartridges found on the 6th floor were full metal jacket rounds, none were hollow point fragmenting rounds. It was impossible for the shot that killed JFK to have come from the rifle found on the 6th floor. W

    http://garyrevel.com/News/press_release_11.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html


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    #723
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    You can believe whatever you like researchers have found plenty of evidence Ruby was a mob figure.

    He was clearly associated with the mob to some degree. Thats not up for debate. Thats an established fact.

    You claimed he was clearly a mob hit man and had killed before. Where is the evidence for this?

    Those links above? What the hell are they? Gary Revel? Some minister or something? What is that? And the other link you posted. Explain that too.

    What is this? http://garyrevel.com/News/press_release_11

    And what is this? https://web.archive.org/web/20150406043744/http://highlandstoday.com:80/


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    #724
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    He was clearly associated with the mob to some degree. Thats not up for debate. Thats an established fact.

    You claimed he was clearly a mob hit man and had killed before. Where is the evidence for this?

    Do you believe he never shot or killed anyone before killing Oswald?

    You should read that Washington Post link I posted.


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    #725
    Cheerful Spring
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    Tobin was the FBI lab's chief metallurgy expert for more than two decades. He analyzed metal evidence in major cases that included the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the 1996 explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island.

    After retiring, he attracted national attention by questioning the FBI science used in prosecutions for decades to match bullets to crime suspects through their lead content. The questions he and others raised prompted a National Academy of Sciences review that in 2003 concluded that the FBI's bullet lead analysis was flawed. The FBI agreed and generally ended the use of that type of analysis.

    He carried out a true investigation and now believes the lone shooter theory is nonsense.


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    #726
    The Nal
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    Stop copying and pasting other peoples opinions from articles you just googled.

    What are the two links above supposed to mean? Did you even click on them?

    - how was the left side JFKs brain and skull not damaged at all with a shot from the front right?
    - how did the people standing right beside the knoll shooter not hear him?


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    #727
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Stop copying and pasting other peoples opinions from articles you just googled.

    What are the two links above supposed to mean? Did you even click on them?

    - how was the left side JFKs brain and skull not damaged at all with a shot from the front right?
    - how did the people standing right beside the knoll shooter not hear him?

    It evidence the lone gunman theory is nonsense. Are we not allowed to post expert opinions now? You think you know more then experts don't you?

    The bullet that hit Kennedy in the head was a hollow point or exploding cartridge. It explodes on impact and shatters and deforms. It would not have gone out the other side of the skull. Tobin analysis confirms this.

    Who did not hear him name them? From what I see you dismiss the second shooter because one old guy who was on steps far below the grassy knoll did not hear the shoots coming from there? He was facing look forward by the way.


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    #728
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    It evidence the lone gunman theory is nonsense. Are we not allowed to post expert opinions now? You think you know more then experts don't you?

    The bullet that hit Kennedy in the head was a hollow point or exploding cartridge. It explodes on impact and shatters and deforms. It would not have gone out the other side of the skull. Tobin analysis confirms this.

    Who did not hear him name them? From what I see you dismiss the second shooter because one old guy who was on steps far below the grassy knoll did not hear the shoots coming from there? He was facing look forward by the way.

    Have you ever been near a rifle when its fired?


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    #729
    The Nal
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    He was not far away. He was right in front of the fence. As were two other people and Zapruder and Sitzman. They didnt notice a high powered rifle firing within a few feet of their ears. The fact that were facing the other way doesnt effect their hearing.

    What is the point of those two links you posted? One is a link to a ministry of some sort and one is an article about first grade children in Tampa.


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    #730
    Cheerful Spring
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Have you ever been near a rifle when its fired?

    The old guy was on a set of steps closer to the pathway. He was a good distance below the Picket fence. He would only hear a sound. His mind was concentrated on Kennedy in the car.


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    #731
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    He was not far away. He was right in front of the fence. As were two other people amd Zapruder and Sitzman. The fact that were facing the other way doesnt effect their hearing.

    What is the point of those two links you posted?

    I think you need to read Zapruder Warren commission testimony. He highlighted the shots seemed to come from the stockyard (picket fence railway)

    He wasn't he was down below the picket fence a good distance away. Can you not see that?


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    #732
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The old guy was on a set of steps closer to the pathway. He was a good distance below the Picket fence. He would only hear a sound. His mind was concentrated on Kennedy in the car.

    "A good distance". How far exactly?

    Explain those links please.


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    #733
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    "A good distance". How far exactly?

    Explain those links please.

    One was local newspaper report. Her father knew Ruby but obviously, you did not bother reading it.

    The other was information about the scientific analysis done and reported by the Washington Post ie this.

    A new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.

    I never measured it. He's not by the fence I can see that in the photograph


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    #734
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    One was local newspaper report. Her father knew Ruby but obviously, you did not bother reading it.

    The other was information about the scientific analysis done and reported by the Washington Post ie this.

    A new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.

    I never measured it. He's not by the fence I can see that in the photograph

    Click on those links. They are not releated to anything of the sort.

    So you havent measured the distance and youve never been there.


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    #735
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Click on those links. They are not releated to anything of the sort.

    So you havent measured the distance and youve never been there.

    Which one they are? Is the link broken tell me which one?


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    #736
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Which one they are? Is the link broken tell me which one?

    These. What are these?

    http://garyrevel.com/News/press_release_11

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150406043744/http://highlandstoday.com:80/


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    #737
    Cheerful Spring
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    They should be ok now?

    http://garyrevel.com/News/press_release_11.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150405010141/http://www.highlandstoday.com/hi/local-news/ap-woman-living-link-to-kennedy-assassination-oswald-murder-20150402/


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    #738
    Cheerful Spring
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    Nal you dismiss the second shooter based off one old guy opinion. You just dismissed close to 55 eyewitnesses who said the complete opposite. The shots came from the grassy knoll.


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    #739
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Nal you dismiss the second shooter based off one old guy opinion. You just dismissed close to 55 eyewitnesses who said the complete opposite. The shots came from the grassy knoll.

    And Sitzman. And Zapruder. They wouldve heard it as they were closest. Like really really close.

    The link above about Ruby. She says he was a hitman and wasnt part of any plot.

    So you dont think he was part of a plot now?


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    #740
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    The old guy was on a set of steps closer to the pathway. He was a good distance below the Picket fence. He would only hear a sound. His mind was concentrated on Kennedy in the car.

    Again you dodge a simple yes/no question!

    Have you ever been near a rifle being fired?


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    #741
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    And Sitzman. And Zapruder. They wouldve heard it as they were closest. Like really really close.

    The link above about Ruby. She says he was a hitman and wasnt part of any plot.

    So you dont think he was part of a plot now?

    Zapruder testimony was the shots came from the stockyard. I think you imagining different testimony in your own mind.

    Her father opinion he was not involved in a conspiracy. The evidence does not support that. If this a random act Ruby would have shown up at 10 o clock when was announced Oswald will be transported. There no evidence Ruby was there at that time, he showed up within two minutes of Oswald leaving.

    Plus Ruby in his own words wrote said if LBJ was not vice preident JFK would be still alive.Ruby wrote a letter in jail confirming his doubts Oswald was the shooter.


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    #742
    Cheerful Spring
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Again you dodge a simple yes/no question!

    Have you ever been near a rifle being fired?

    Yes some hunting a long time ago. That old man was nowhere near the picket fence. Its nonsense to say he was when there photo evidence of this.


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    #743
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Zapruder testimony was the shots came from the stockyard.

    That is quite simply a lie.

    Before you go off and cherry pick a quote, read all of his testimony.

    As for how close he is to the fence, "nowhere near" is another lie. He is a few feet away. Maybe 10 feet. And you can see someone moving closer to the fence after the headshot.

    https://youtu.be/XLERm5sKGSY


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    #744
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    That is quite simply a lie.

    Before you go off and cherry pick a quote, read all of his testimony.

    As for how close he is to the fence. A few feet away.

    https://youtu.be/XLERm5sKGSY

    Nal show me where he said the shots came from TSBD. He did say sounded like the shots came from the area police was running to. But he wasn't sure. The echo myth he brought up so he obviously was influenced in later years by what he heard.

    I try to find a picture with a direct line of sight.


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    #745
    weisses
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Again you dodge a simple yes/no question!

    Have you ever been near a rifle being fired?

    WHAAATTTT ????;)


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    #746
    Cheerful Spring
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    The old man was standing maybe 2 to 3 steps higher than the red mark but in no way was he near the fence.

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    #747
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Nal show me where he said the shots came from TSBD.

    He didnt and Im not claiming he did.

    My point is that if someone was shooting from the fence to his right a few feet away he wouldve heard it and identified it coming from there. As would Sitman. And old man Hudson.

    Classic conspiracy theory nuttery there. Why didnt you put the red mark where he actually was? What is your issue with facts and the truth?

    Look at it from from the proper angle.


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    #748
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    He didnt and Im not claiming he did.

    My point is that if someone was shooting from the fence to his right a few feet away he wouldve heard it and identified it coming from there. As would Sitman. And old man Hudson.

    Did he not say the shot sounded like it came from the left side of where he's standing?

    Looking forward that makes sense. A picket fence shooter bullet would have trajectory from the left side of Hudson body to the right.


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    #749
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    Classic conspiracy theory nuttery there. Why didnt you put the red mark where he actually was? What is your issue with facts and the truth?

    Look at it from from the proper angle.

    That not proper angle that showing what the potential shooter would see. The picture i posted shows the distance the steps took from the picket fence.


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    #750
    The Nal
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    That not proper angle that showing what the potential shooter would see. The picture i posted shows the distance the steps took from the picket fence.

    You know Dealey Plaza is still there? Ive been there. Ive stood behind the fence. Ive stood on those steps. Hudson was standing very close to the fence. It would be impossible not to notice someone firing a rifle that near to you. Simply impossible.

    "Nowhere near" is another lie. Youre on a roll today.


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    #751
    Cheerful Spring
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    The Nal wrote: »
    You know Dealey Plaza is still there? Ive been there. Ive stood behind the fence. Ive stood on those steps. Hudson was standing very close to the fence.

    "Nowhere near" is simply another lie.

    You claiming the picture I posted is not of the grassy knoll? What side would the bullet have travelled fired from a gun, please tell me left or right of Hudson body?


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