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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years
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Nal the Parkland doctors reported seeing a head wound at the right rear (an exit wound)
Dr McCelland artist illustration of the wound.
He even describes the wound he saw at the back of the head on this video at 13 minutes 20-second mark
We don't see this head wound in the Autopsy photos. There just a small hole at the top of the skull underneath the hairline. That why is very suspicious, like what happened to JFK body when it got moved from Dallas to Maryland?
The reason why Pathologist James C. Jenkins testimony is interesting and informative and why I made the thread.
Yes, he destroyed the notes, but he never told anyone he did so for 33 years, that scandalous. We never know for sure if he burned them to cover up something. Dr Perry made a small incision in the throat area to insert a tube at Parkland. That well known. When the Doctors at Naval centre received the body the throat wound was now wider and gaping.
Joan Mellen made a lot of false assertions. She claimed only one print was studied of Mac Wallace. Seven prints were actually looked at by Nathan Darby. She also believes the print she got was genuine and real and not tampered with. She does not explain why Nathan Darby 32 matches are an error? The fingerprint matches nobody else in TSBD that day. It, not Oswald fingerprint. It was on a carbon box that people like you claim Oswald moved to the window to fire his rifle.0 -
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »In 1997 the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) released a document that revealed that Ford had altered the first draft of the report to read: "A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine." Ford had elevated the location of the wound from its true location in the back to the neck to support the single bullet theory.
There you have fraud the single bullet theory is nonsense. Never made sense anyhow because a bullet fired from 6th floor would be coming down from a height, it would not be straight.
Utterly moronic post, yet again. Quote mining at its worst. Absolutely pathetic. No interest in digging any deeper and finding out the truth.
Heres Ford.
"I have been accused of changing some wording on the Warren Commission. Report to favor the lone-assassin conclusion. That is absurd. Here is what the draft said: "A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine."
To any reasonable person, "above the shoulder and to the right" sounds veryhigh and way off the side -- and that's what it sounded like to me.
That would have given the totally wrong impression. Technically, from a medical perspective, the bullet entered just to the right at the base of the neck, so my recommendation to the other members was to change it to say, "A bullet had entered the back of his neck, slightly to the right of the spine." After further investigation, we then unanimously agreed that it should read, "A bullet had entered the base of his neck slightly to the right of the spine." As with any report, there were many clarifications and language changes suggested by several of us."
Now, why don't you answer the questions you've been dodging? Big, important questions. Not factoids or quote mines.
Where is the evidence Ruby was a mob hitman?
Wheres the picture proving Brennan was looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?
How did the witnesses closest to the knoll not notice a gun being fired there?0 -
Utterly moronic post, yet again. Quote mining at its worst. Absolutely pathetic. No interest in digging any deeper and finding out the truth.
Heres Ford.
"I have been accused of changing some wording on the Warren Commission. Report to favor the lone-assassin conclusion. That is absurd. Here is what the draft said: "A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine."
To any reasonable person, "above the shoulder and to the right" sounds veryhigh and way off the side -- and that's what it sounded like to me.
That would have given the totally wrong impression. Technically, from a medical perspective, the bullet entered just to the right at the base of the neck, so my recommendation to the other members was to change it to say, "A bullet had entered the back of his neck, slightly to the right of the spine." After further investigation, we then unanimously agreed that it should read, "A bullet had entered the base of his neck slightly to the right of the spine." As with any report, there were many clarifications and language changes suggested by several of us."
Now, why don't you answer the questions you've been dodging?
Where is the evidence Ruby was a mob hitman?
Wheres the picture proving Brennan was looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?
How did the witnesses closest to the knoll not notice a gun being fired there?
They released what he said the Assassination Records Review Board, end of story.
Of course, it all made sense for you. One bullet travelling downwards hit JFK back. The bullet then decided it wanted to go on a trip it was pre-programmed and changed direction moved upwards through the chest and exited the throat, did a wobble in the air. Entered Connelly back, shattered his rib, exited out and struck the hard bone in the wrist and then struck his thigh, did more damage. Lost a couple of grains and was not deformed.
54 witnesses reported shots coming from the grassy knoll. You swear they were miles away they right there next to the car and grassy knoll. Your whole theory is nonsense. You have one old guy who swears differently after it happened at the Warren Commission.
It called common sense. Ruby killed before.
He was looking down the picture on the website shows that.0 -
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So Jenkins... the guy who did the autopsy on kennedy is talking out of his backside ?
1. He didn't do the autopsy. He was a lab assistant. One of 20 or so present at the time. When you go to get your car from the garage and ask about the car do you ask the mechanic or one of the guys who passed the mechanic a wrench?
2. Well, theres a lot of numbers 2s
1977: Couldn’t recall whether or not the brain was removed
1979: Was given a brain to infuse with formaldehyde
1980: Was given a brain to infuse with formaldehyde
1991-present: Said Dr. Humes made a verbal exclamation: “This brain fell out in my hands. The brain stem has been surgically cut.”/Said the brain was a small brain/Said his first impression was that it was a female brain/Said the damage to the brain did not match the damage to the skull or to the wound/Said a large portion of the back of the brain was jelled like jelly/Said he saw the vessels were retracted as if they had been cut at some previous time/Said the brain was so damaged on the underside that it was hard to introduce needles for perfusion with formalin/Said he believes the brain had been surgically removed and then replaced.
1979: “Jenkins did not see an entry wound on the front of the head...Since Jenkins didn’t see a frontal entry wound, he assumed that it had been blown away when the bullet struck...“ (Best Evidence, pp. 609-610)
1980: Did not see an entry wound on the front of the head
1991: Saw graying areas on the bone above the right ear that looked like lead, wondered if it could have been from a bullet
1998-present: Saw an entry wound on the front of the head!!
As for lying, yes. Lots and lots of people have been proved as liars in this case and have released books on the back of it. Theres money to be made from "new evidence". Mark Lane and Jim Marrs made very successful careers from lying.0 -
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So Jenkins... the guy who did the autopsy on kennedy is talking out of his backside ?
The damage to the windscreen is another smoking gun, shots came from the front.
You can even see the damage in this image. The bullet that hit Kennedy throat likely came through the windscreen
damage in this photograph. 0 -
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So Jenkins... the guy who did the autopsy on kennedy is talking out of his backside ?
Thought about this recently. Why did the Carcano explode and shatter in JFK skull?
Remember the Warren Commission claims one Carcano bullet caused multiple injuries to Kennedy and Connelly and was found in almost pristine condition. Yet then we told to believe the same bullet when it entered the back of Kennedy skull broke apart and fragmented into pieces?
It obvious from this alone the bullet that hit Kennedy skull was a different calibre of bullet.0 -
Cheerful Spring wrote: »We don't agree. Ruby killed before downing Oswald it obvious.
Explain how? You haven't been able to post a shred of evidence backing this up.Cheerful Spring wrote: »We don't see in a frame Brennan looking up when the shots were fired. His head is looking down when the motorcade was passing the street sign.
As he said yes, he said he looked up for the headshot.
But hang on. You said you saw a photo of him looking at the car at the headshot? Which would make his testimony and the subsequent day (Tippet etc) unreliable. Sort of a big thing if true. Where is the photo you as you claim?Cheerful Spring wrote: »This details that many problems with Howard Brennan testimony. I even saw a photo were he looking forward and not up during the time of the shots.
Where is the footage of Brennans head down when he passes the street sign then? I guess we're looking at Z220 onwards.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Tippet was in a location he should not have been. Why was he there when the Dallas Police were directed to respond to the scene of the shooting? Tippet also was shot by two different types of bullets made by different manufacturers. Oswald gun only had bullets one type and manufacturer.
Thats a lie. Another blatant lie. Oswalds gun could fire .38 bullets. There were two types of cartridges found in the gun and 5 bullets in Oswalds pocket. 9 people positively identified him as the shooter and the cartridges were linked to his gun (the gun he was arrested with) to the exclusion of all other weapons.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Oswald supposedly got to his rooming house at 1pm and then changed his clothes and walked nearly a mile to shot Tippet at 1.11pm or 1.14pm. That some feat he must be superhuman?
He walked 9/10ths of a mile in 11 or 12 minutes. Maybe 15 minutes. He was obviously walking fast. About 5mph. The same speed as some very old people out exercising. So what?
There is no doubt whatsoever that he killed Tippet. Literally none.Cheerful Spring wrote: »
Moves forward? You mean the doctored Zapruder film that shows no back head wound? Kennedy body moves back and to the left. Jolt that shows the impact was from a bullet that came from the right side? That something they could hide that movement, they could scrub out the head wound in the video lab.
You believe this is doctored? In 1963? How?!
They edited in his head going forward 6 inches and the blood spray going forward?
Cheerful Spring wrote: »You believe in magic. Do you not know a bullet fired from a height comes down not straight? Have you never seen a meteor enter the atmosphere?
The bullet would have to literally change direction and move upwards through the body after hitting Kennedy back to exit out the throat. Then the bullet would have to wobble to the right to hit Connelly at the right shoulder and have enough force still to shatter rib and wrist bone and damage his thigh.
Nope. Connolly was below and to the left of JFK. And Elm Street from the TSBD is on a steeply declining hill. Always amazing to me that conspiracy theorists completely ignore that.
Both clearly hit at the same time.
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Explain how? You haven't been able to post a shred of evidence backing this up.
As he said yes, he said he looked up for the headshot.
But hang on. You said you saw a photo of him looking at the car at the headshot? Which would make his testimony and the subsequent day (Tippet etc) unreliable. Sort of a big thing if true. Where is the photo you as you claim?
Where is the footage of Brennans head down when he passes the street sign then? I guess we're looking at Z220 onwards.
Thats a lie. Another blatant lie. Oswalds gun could fire .38 bullets. There were two types of cartridges found in the gun and 5 bullets in Oswalds pocket. 9 people positively identified him as the shooter and the cartridges were linked to his gun (the gun he was arrested with) to the exclusion of all other weapons.
He walked 9/10ths of a mile in 11 or 12 minutes. Maybe 15 minutes. He was obviously walking fast. About 5mph. The same speed as some very old people out exercising. So what?
There is no doubt whatsoever that he killed Tippet. Literally none.
You believe this is doctored? In 1963? How?!
They edited in his head going forward 6 inches and the blood spray going forward?
Can you provide any proof he didn't kill anyone before Oswald? If you can't then it a pointless discussion. Do we have to agree to disagree?
Again there no evidence Brennan saw Oswald on the 6th floor. The picture we have you see Brennan's head was turned. You can see him looking down at JFK limo when it was approaching the street sign, just a second or two before the first bullet struck Kennedy. Did he look upwards after this and spot a shooter in the window? Maybe except he testimony is seeing a shooter standing with a rifle aiming. That obviously untrue as Oswald was kneeling or sitting down firing a rifle according to the official account. You can't have it both ways Nal
Four cartridges were released 6 days after the shooting, supposedly found at the scene of the Tippet Murder. They messed up here the people involved in the cover-up. The set of four cartridges, two were made by Remington Peters company and two by Western Winchester company. Tippet autopsy they found four bullets in his body, three of the bullets were made by the Western Winchester company and one bullet was made by Remington Peters company, a 38 calibre lead bullet. The Western Winchester bullets were copper based. The mix does not add up.
And why would Oswald mix bullets of a different calibre? It made more sense two different people used different guns to kill Tippet. Eyewitnesses saw two men kill Tippet and you, of course, ignore that testimony.
He got to his rooming house at 1 pm. He then had to enter the house change his jacket and get his gun and that takes least 2 to 3 minutes to do if not more. By the way, the housekeeper of the house (owner) said she saw Oswald standing to wait for the bus after he left the house at 1.05pm. He no way going to walk nearly a mile in 9 minutes or 10 minutes anyhow. An analysis was done on this and worked out at 17 minutes to walk from the house at 1 pm to reach Tippet police car.
What they covered up is the blood splatter at the back of the head, showing the exit wound. You can have it both ways why did the Carcano bullet fragment and blow apart when entered the skull? The Carcano bullet had magical properties when it entered Kennedy back and exited out the throat and reentered Connelly back near the right shoulder and then exited out the chest, damaged wrist bone and then damaged the left thigh. The performance of the bullet is vastly different.0 -
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Moronic. There is no agreeing or disagreeing. There is only fact and you can't prove a negative. This is basic stuff. He was never suspected, investigated, charged or convicted of any murder prior to Oswald. There are no victims, dates or places. You say its obvious but you can't provide one single piece of evidence to back up your claims.
So yes it is a pointless discussion. Because of you. You're the one claiming it.
First off, where is the picture you claim you saw of him looking down at the point of the headshot? How many times do you have to be asked?
And again, he said he saw Oswald in the window before the shooting and then looked up just before the headshot. The fact that he was looking at car before shot one backs up his claims. And his description of Oswald was very close.
Or is Brennan somehow in on a conspiracy too?
The shells and the bullets were a mixture of Remmingtons and Winchesters.
Oswald had the same two types in his possession. Tippit had 3 Winchester bullets and one Remminton removed from his body. The recovered shells were two of each. The simple explanation for this is that one of Remmingtons missed Tippit and one of the Winchester shells was not found. The witnesses saw him empty the gun as he ran away. The revolver in Oswald's possession was the only one in the world that could have fired the shells they found and it had the same characteristics as the bullets recovered from Tippit's body which were too mutilated for positive identification.
They were a smaller diameter than the barrel of Oswald's revolver. Oswald's .38 had been re-chambered to .38 special. The true caliber of the .38 special is
actually .357. This meant the markings on the bullets would not have been
consistent precluding positively matching them to Oswald's gun, even if
they hadn't been mutilated. There is absolutely zero ballistic evidence that
is inconsistent with Oswald being the shooter of Tippit. Its a fact that they came from his gun.
Why wouldn't he? He was notoriously cheap. And thats a very common thing to do anyway. Having different brands of ammo.
You ignored the fact that nine people positively identified him, from 12. Nine saw him either shooting or running away. We know exactly where he ran to because we have calls from people to the police telling them. He ran across someones lawn right in front of them emptying his gun. This is before Johnny Brewer saw him act suspiciously in the shoe store and before he tried to shoot Sgt McDonald in the cinema. With the same gun.
The person who saw two men was Acquilla Clemons. Who is not at all credible thanks to Mark Lanes interference.
Read this
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/pdf/lane_interviews/clemmons.pdf
And this
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/03/mark-lane-and-helen-markham.html
Mark Lane was poison.
How does his head move forward first?
They covered up the splatter on the Zapruder and Nix movies? How?
And yes the bullets behaved differently because they hit different objects.
Ruby shot Oswald and killed him when surrounded by media and Dallas police. That a man who has no care in the world about killing other people. For me, not the first time he has done that to someone and will always believe that..End of the day Ruby was a hitman or not is irrelevant. All we know for sure he was involved in the mob and he was the guy that killed the man accused of shooting JFK. It suspicious the man who killed Oswald just happens to have mob/mafia connections. The Mafia who hated the Kennedy brothers.
False he never identified Oswald as the man with a rifle in the window. He could not even pick Oswald out as the man he saw in a police line up. He even said that at the Warren Commission hearings.
How good is the observation, when he says I saw a man standing holding a rifle and he was aiming out the window? Are you going to trust his testimony when the official version of what took place is different? Do you worry about his reliability as a witness when basic things like this are not accurate? Even if saw a man in the window with a rifle that a not positive identification that man was Oswald. We know a fingerprint not belonging to Oswald was found in the sniper nest on the 6th floor. It was matched with Malcolm Wallace even that not true that fingerprint belongs to some unknown person who was up there during the time of the shooting.
What don't you get is they produced 4 shells (the Dallas Police) and state they found those empty shells at the scene of the murder of officer Tippet. So those bullets had to be fired in close proximity to the murder.
The bullets inside Tippet body does match the shells found at the scene of the crime. You claiming the killer fired more than 4 shots at Tippet when there no evidence that even the case? False they matched the empty shells to Oswald gun not that bullets. That evidence is in doubt because the shells found at the scene were marked and when shown in evidence the markings on the shell was no longer present or identifiable. They could be shells from any .38 gun or could be used shells fired from Oswald gun to frame him.
You so-called witnesses recalled different events altogether. Mrs and Mr Wright also saw two men so Acquilla Clemons testimony is reliable
The best witness for the government is Helen Markham
She saw a white man but her timeline is wrong. There no possible way Oswald shot Tippet at 1.06pm
It not surprising people saw Oswald he did go to the Cinema and he would be spotted walking the streets to get to there. The timelines are important in knowing exactly where Oswald was.
Yep, that head wound was described by multiple doctors at Parkland as an opening at the back of the head. That head wound is not shown on the Zapruder film obviously doctored that frame.
You silly now so the bullet entered the back of JFK skull and just decided to explode into dozens of pieces? Yet you want us to believe the same bullet survived virtually undeformed when it struck two different people and caused multiple wounds when it hit bone? It obvious to someone like me and the experts the bullet that blew Kennedy head off was an explosive bullet. That way the damage was much larger. A bullet coming from the 6th floor would have escaped out at the left side and damaged that side of the face. The right side made no sense.0 -
Dr McClelland said the head wound was at the back of the head and was an exit wound.
Zapruder film the back of the head is still intact. I don't understand how they doctors could misidentify a back head opening a hole in that side of the head?0 -
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