JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

Cheerful Spring

Oswald, when he returned from the Soviet Union, got work at the Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval, Inc. Oswald supposedly a defector to the Soviet Union who renounced his citizenship and a Marxist, works at a company that did secretive Cuban work for the US government? Oswald is a security risk, but they hire him? Doesn't make any sense.

I think Oswald was a spy and CIA is likely aware of that and still covering that up. My best bet he was Navy Intelligence or was recruited to be a spy when a Marine. It the only reason the military would go to the trouble of teaching him, Russian.

Information about his work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval, Inc. Some of its true and some of its disinformation about him fighting with colleagues and getting fired
https://kscdirect.com/showpost.php?page_id=233

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nal you are a liar simple. There dozens of videos like this online if you looked and stopped ignoring the evidence.

And lots of people saying shots came from the TSBD. Lots of people saying they heard shots from the knoll, lots of people saying they heard shots from both. Lots of people not sure but if they had to say, they would say the knoll, or the TSBD, or the overpass.

So again, you claim 55 people heard shots from the knoll. Who are they? Where are you getting these numbers from?

And speaking of lying, wheres the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot? This is a very important detail.

And how did Sitzman et al not here the rifle going off beside them? No one can explain that. They would have heard it. There was no gunman there.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

80 cameras bull****.

How can you post so much about something you show little interest in learning about other than serving your own agenda?

There are over 500 photographs from 78 cameras taken that day relevant to the assassination.

Here is a list of all the photos and videos taken.

http://www.jfk-info.com/photos1.htm

They've been all studied by thousands and thousands of people for 55 years and not one of them show a shooter on the knoll. Not one. However they do show a man that looks like Oswald in the window.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

These videos dispute everything you claim. These eyewitnesses believe the shots came from the grassy knoll and they right next to the limo.

I could post videos of people claiming shots from the TSBD. But its a shallow study and shows you haven't bothered to do proper research because it doesn't fit your agenda.

You posted 5 people, who are the other 50?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nal far as I know there only three videos that captured the event and all three cameras were confiscated by the FBI.

As usual, you're wrong. Zapruder, Nix, Muchmore, Hughes, Bell and Martin all took movies. Thats 6. The FBI did not take Muchmores movie. Muchmores movie shows the exact same thing as Zapruders and Nixs. Spray going forward, JFKs head going forward, no blood spray at the back of the head. A shot from the rear. Muchmores movie authenticates the Zapruder and Nix movies.

The fact that we have so much of it documented proves there was no doctored footage. You could take any 10 photos from any time and they all match up with the other photos and videoes you and other nutters claim were altered.

They weren't altered. None of the movies were. Thats fact.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

And lots of people saying shots came from the TSBD. Lots of people saying they heard shots from the knoll, lots of people saying they heard shots from both. Lots of people not sure but if they had to say, they would say the knoll, or the TSBD, or the overpass.

So again, you claim 55 people heard shots from the knoll. Who are they? Where are you getting these numbers from?

And speaking of lying, wheres the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot? This is a very important detail.

And how did Sitzman et al not here the rifle going off beside them? No one can explain that. They would have heard it. There was no gunman there.



How can you post so much about something you show little interest in learning about other than serving your own agenda?

There are over 500 photographs from 78 cameras taken that day relevant to the assassination.

Here is a list of all the photos and videos taken.

http://www.jfk-info.com/photos1.htm

They've been all studied by thousands and thousands of people for 55 years and not one of them show a shooter on the knoll. Not one. However they do show a man that looks like Oswald in the window.



I could post videos of people claiming shots from the TSBD. But its a shallow study and shows you haven't bothered to do proper research because it doesn't fit your agenda.

You posted 5 people, who are the other 50?



As usual, you're wrong. Zapruder, Nix, Muchmore, Hughes, Bell and Martin all took movies. Thats 6. The FBI did not take Muchmores movie. Muchmores movie shows the exact same thing as Zapruders and Nixs. Spray going forward, JFKs head going forward, no blood spray at the back of the head. A shot from the rear. Muchmores movie authenticates the Zapruder and Nix movies.

The fact that we have so much of it documented proves there was no doctored footage. You could take any 10 photos from any time and they all match up with the other photos and videoes you and other nutters claim were altered.

They weren't altered. None of the movies were. Thats fact.

You are a ridiculous person. How many photographs capture the scene during the shooting near the grassy knoll? Photos and videos that don't capture the correct scene of the shooting are irrelevant. Those photos only document the atmosphere and what was happening prior to and after the shooting. You show me videos and photos of the grassy knoll at the time of the shooting, show me 80 different views of this place by different cameras if you can't then stop spreading misinformation?

From your own link you posted in this thread it stated 52 or 54 Eyewitness heard knoll shots. Maybe don't post supporting links if you disagree with the info? I called you on with you claimed Bloodbath was wrong about 100 direct eyewitnesses to hearing gunshots. Bloodbath was right you were wrong.

Zaprauder film is only one that captured the entire thing. The other videos only captured the third shot at the end. So know there is no 6 videos capturing the grassy knoll during the shooting.

Your obsession with JFK head moving slightly forward is annoying. Did you not notice the driver of the limo was looking around just before the third shot came in? That means he was working the gears and car petals. The car could have moved or stalled or suddenly slowed and that jerked the people in car forward. Kennedy moves violently to the left and back that a shot coming in from the side.

decky1

Was there not a tv program some time ago which stated one of his body guards has shot him while fumbling with his gun in the front of the car?

Cheerful Spring

You wrong photograph by a man named Beltzer captured men near the grassy knoll just before the shooting started. Clearly as day that a man in a suit wearing a heat and another guy near him. A man or men who disappeared after the shooting. That wall was photographed a few seconds after and that man had gone.

Cheerful Spring

decky1 wrote: »

Was there not a tv program some time ago which stated one of his body guards has shot him while fumbling with his gun in the front of the car?

Yep, that theory was proposed by Howard Donahue ballistic expert. The science he did is correct for the most part. He measured the Carcano bullet and the skull entry wound and did not match up. He correct also the bullet was an explosive round that blew apart when it entered JFK skull.

He formed a theory a secret service agent in a car behind may have misfired his assault rifle and hit Kennedy head in the right rear and cover-up of this occurred. The problem with that is no eyewitnesses saw a gun being fired from the car.

Cheerful Spring

If you want to know how they hide the wounds and hide the evidence it documented in this documentary. The man who covered up the wounds is documented in this video. David Ferrie knew him and his brother was photographed with Jack Ruby.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You wrong photograph by a man named Beltzer captured men near the grassy knoll just before the shooting started. Clearly as day that a man in a suit wearing a heat and another guy near him. A man or men who disappeared after the shooting. That wall was photographed a few seconds after and that man had gone.

But theyre not there in the Moorman photo. Or the Nix movie which captures the headshot. How can that be?

Who are the other 50 people you claim said shots came from the knoll?

Where is the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?

How did Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson not hear a rifle firing within feet of them? The bullet wouldve whistled past Hudsons head.

The driver did not brake suddenly. How did no one else in the car jolt forward? JFKs head went forward for a millisecond from the bullet entering his head from behind. The reason its annoying to you is because it proves it was a shot from behind which proves there was no grassy knoll shooter.

For some reason you really want to believe in a knoll shooter even though there isnt a shred of evidence to support it.

Now that we've establiahed that the Zapruder film couldnt have been altered, how do you explain the blood splatter going forward? None went back or left.

The fact youre posting The Men Who Killed Kennedy shows you havent a clue.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

But theyre not there in the Moorman photo. Or the Nix movie which captures the headshot. How can that be?

Who are the other 50 people you claim said shots came from the knoll?

Where is the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?

How did Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson not hear a rifle firing within feet of them? The bullet wouldve whistled past Hudsons head.

The driver did not brake suddenly. How did no one else in the car jolt forward? JFKs head went forward for a millisecond from the bullet entering his head from behind. The reason its annoying to you is because it proves it was a shot from behind which proves there was no grassy knoll shooter.

Now that we've establiahed that the Zapruder film couldnt have been altered, how do you explain the blood splatter going forward? None went back or left.

They went to extreme lengths to cover up the JFK real wounds. Scrubbing a few photos it not a big deal. We know Mary Moorman handed her camera to the FBI and they plenty of time to work on it. Even though in the Moorman image there is an outline of a man behind the fence.

There are noticeable discrepancies between the Nix and Zapruder film. In the nix film the car looks to have slowed and Clint the secret service agent looks like he was pulled into the car by Jackie. The Zapruder film runs faster like at a much faster speed but the event appears to go at slow motion and very differently watch it when she comes out over the trunk., you see the oddities. Zapruder film the people seem to be not watching the car and waving as it passes it odd they seem to still look up the street. when the car passes with JFK in it. There also misplacement with the street sign it larger in the Zapruder film. The blood splatter also looks like it animated into the frame.

The fact the driver turned his head completely the car must have slowed to almost a stop and witnesses reported that yet on Zapruder film the car seems to be moving still at a steady rate.

The Nal

Lol

There are no differences.

What about the Muchmore movie?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Lol

There are no differences.

What about the Muchmore movie?

Nix film does not show Kennedy head because Jackie obscures the view. There are differences it clear as day there is. Why does the NIX film only record the ending of the third shot? Did he not record more footage and did does frames not get released?

It more similar to the Nix film , than the Zaprauder film. The car slows down in the Muchmore video. Again you don't have a full view of the grassy knoll and it shadowed heavily.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nix film does not show Kennedy head because Jackie obscures the view. There are differences it clear as day there is. Why does the NIX film only record the ending of the third shot? Did he not record more footage and did does frames not get released?

It more similar to the Nix film , than the Zaprauder film. The car slows down in the Muchmore video. Again you don't have a full view of the grassy knoll and it shadowed heavily.

All 3 movies show the exact same thing. The Nix movie is the proof theres no shooter behind the fence. Because theres isn't anyone there!

But just take the Muchmore movie. How do you explain the blood splatter going forward? In the exact same way as Zapruders film. And since it authenicates the Zapruder film, how do you explain JFKs head moving forward when the bullet impacts before the exit wound?

I won't mention the bullet wipe on JFKs jacket but none on Connollys. Or the entry wound on Connollys proving a tumbling bullet. Both of which can only happen when a bullet has already passed through another object.

Head moving forward, blood splatter going forward, proves no shot from the front or the side.

Muchmore at 45 seconds.

Also where is the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

All 3 movies show the exact same thing. The Nix movie is the proof theres no shooter behind the fence. Because theres isn't anyone there!

But just take the Muchmore movie. How do you explain the blood splatter going forward? In the exact same way as Zapruders film. And since it authenicates the Zapruder film, how do you explain JFKs head moving forward when the bullet impacts before the exit wound?

I won't mention the bullet wipe on JFKs jacket but none on Connollys. Or the entry wound on Connollys proving a tumbling bullet. Both of which can only happen when a bullet has already passed through another object.

Head moving forward, blood splatter going forward, proves no shot from the front or the side.

Muchmore at 45 seconds.

Also where is the picture you saw of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot?

Blood splatter goes out in every direction from the impact, and you can see it actually blows above over his head. And his body moves violently to the left and back there nothing inconsistent about a shot from the side in the Zapruder and Nix movies. The only thing missing is the hole at the back of the head that 16 Doctors at Parkland reported seeing and others saw at Naval centre. For me, the hole near the hairline at the back of the head can be animated out with crude shading.

By the way, the Warren Commission also held the position Kennedy and Connelly were hit by separate bullets. It was only till a new witness came forward James Tague and told them I was hit by a fragment of a bullet, they realised oh **** we got the problem. Then Arlen Specter postulated a theory one bullet caused multiple injuries to both men. A ridiculous theory because bullets don't do impossible moves through the body. We know Kennedy was hit in the back by a bullet coming in a downward angle and that bullet had damaged the lung. So the bullet has to lodge in the body somewhere there or exit through the chest. Instead, the Warren Commission is trying to claim that bullet decided to reposition and go upwards and turn and exit out the throat and then continue on again through Connelly body.

Head moving forward is junk science. We can see in the frame Greer is fully turned and looking at Kennedy. Is Car Jerking while his looking around? You can see everyone in the car there heads all slightly move forward when the shot came in.

Cheerful Spring

Bill Hicks comedy of back to the left JFK shot.

Cheerful Spring

This a classic comedy from Seinfeld about the magic bullet theory.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Blood splatter goes out in every direction from the impact,

Nope, only forward.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

and you can see it actually blows above over his head. And his body moves violently to the left and back there nothing inconsistent about a shot from the side in the Zapruder and Nix movies. The only thing missing is the hole at the back of the head that 16 Doctors at Parkland reported seeing and others saw at Naval centre. For me, the hole near the hairline at the back of the head can be animated out with crude shading.

By the way, the Warren Commission also held the position Kennedy and Connelly were hit by separate bullets. It was only till a new witness came forward James Tague and told them I was hit by a fragment of a bullet, they realised oh **** we got the problem. Then Arlen Specter postulated a theory one bullet caused multiple injuries to both men. A ridiculous theory because bullets don't do impossible moves through the body. We know Kennedy was hit in the back by a bullet coming in a downward angle and that bullet had damaged the lung. So the bullet has to lodge in the body somewhere there or exit through the chest. Instead, the Warren Commission is trying to claim that bullet decided to reposition and go upwards and turn and exit out the throat and then continue on again through Connelly body.

Head moving forward is junk science. We can see in the frame Greer is fully turned and looking at Kennedy. Is Car Jerking while his looking around? You can see everyone in the car there heads all slightly move forward when the shot came in.

So no 55 grassy knoll witnesses

No picture of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot

No evidence Ruby was a hitman

No explanation for why JFKs head goes forward

No explanation of bullet wipe

No explanation for a tumbling bullet entering Connolly

No explanation on how Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson did not hear a rifle

No explanation why Ruby shot Oswald in the stomach

The Nal

Here is the forward head movement proving there was no shot from the front.

No one saw a gunman on the knoll, no one on the knoll heard a gunman, none of the pictures or videos show a gunman on the knoll and JFKs head moved forward which is impossible if there was a shot from the front.

Conclusion. There was no one on the knoll.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Here is the forward head movement proving there was no shot from the front.

No one saw a gunman on the knoll, no one on the knoll heard a gunman, none of the pictures or videos show a gunman on the knoll and JFKs head moved forward which is impossible if there was a shot from the front.

Conclusion. There was no one on the knoll.

That a blatant lie though eyewitnesses did see a gunman on the grassy knoll and provided videos to prove that. People did hear gunshots coming from the grassy knoll 54 eyewitnesses. It amazing how far people like you go to deny evidence that out there and can be found. There is photographic evidence of strange men at the grassy knoll just before the shots were fired.

By the way you only have to look at Oswald life and who he was he friends to notice he was not a communist or Marxist. You can see the double life everywhere you look.

George de Mohrenschildt was Oswald friend in Dallas nobody denies that but if you look at his life.


George De Mohrenschildt family had ties to the royal family (was a white in the civil war) in Russia just before 1917. When the communists came to power Mohrenschildt family fled. The mother died in Poland. His father was involved in anti-communist activities

George De Mohrenschildt obviously would be bitter through his life and if you look further he worked with the Nazis against the Communists.

George De Mohrenchildt was anti-communist and hated them, but he friends with Owald who supposedly a fan of communism and the Soviet Union. It doesn't add up and you have to be a fool to not see it.

Cheerful Spring

By the way, you see the lying in this video. This is myth busters trying to replicate the magic bullet. They failed miserably because the bullet went through the back out through the left side of the chest near the left arm, not through the throat.

The trajectory of the bullet is accurate if was fired from the 6th-floor height. That exactly the way the bullet would have gone through the back. They lied that matched the magic bullet.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

That a blatant lie though eyewitnesses did see a gunman on the grassy knoll and provided videos to prove that. People did hear gunshots coming from the grassy knoll 54 eyewitnesses.

Who are they? How many of the 200 odd witness statements have you read?

Lets say 55 people did indeed think shots came from there. If you read the statements (which you wont as it doesn't serve your confirmation bias) a lot of people looked towards the knoll because they thought shots came from there. Witnesses statements saying they immediately looked in that direction and saw......nothing. No gunman.

Thats also the direction where the car was so everyone was looking that way anyway. So we now have a couple of hundred people looking at one spot from all directions, in broad daylight.

How many gunmen were seen? Zero.

Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson. Feet away, really close. Heard nothing.


So...

No picture of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot.

No evidence Ruby was a hitman

No explanation for why JFKs head goes forward

No explanation of bullet wipe

No explanation for a tumbling bullet entering Connolly

No explanation on how Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson did not hear a rifle

No explanation why Ruby shot Oswald in the stomach

Just another quick departure into another vague and poorly researched "theory" that suits your agenda.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Who are they? How many of the 200 odd witness statements have you read?

Lets say 55 people did indeed think shots came from there. If you read the statements (which you wont as it doesn't serve your confirmation bias) a lot of people looked towards the knoll because they thought shots came from there. Witnesses statements saying they immediately looked in that direction and saw......nothing. No gunman.

Thats also the direction where the car was so everyone was looking that way anyway. So we now have a couple of hundred people looking at one spot from all directions, in broad daylight.

How many gunmen were seen? Zero.

Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson. Feet away, really close. Heard nothing.


So...

No picture of Brennan looking away from the TSBD at the headshot.

No evidence Ruby was a hitman

No explanation for why JFKs head goes forward

No explanation of bullet wipe

No explanation for a tumbling bullet entering Connolly

No explanation on how Zapruder, Sitzman and Hudson did not hear a rifle

No explanation why Ruby shot Oswald in the stomach

Just another quick departure into another vague and poorly researched "theory" that suits your agenda.

The physics of the bullet is impossible. We know based on the autopsy record Kennedy suffered bruising at the right lung caused by this bullet. That means the bullet had to have then moved upwards from a downward angle trajectory. That medically impossible. This bullet is doing things never repeated in medical history. And when they find the impossible bullet it was clean of blood and tissue and found on clean sheets on a stretcher? How does it end up there anyhow? They cut Connelly clothes off inside an operating room and this where the bullet should have got found by Doctors at Parkland.

The fatal shot came from the grassy knoll. There no evidence even in Zapruder film of shot impacting the back of the skull. There no blood splatter or disturbance of the back of the head? We see a massive impact at the side of the head and blood blows up and out over the head. His body then moves violently to the left and back. Why would he move to the left and back if the force was blowing to the right? That defies physics and natural way of things.

JFK clothing shows the impact of the bullet through his coat and shirt, so we know the bullet did go through 6 inches below the neckline. Gerald Ford saw that as an issue and asked they move the bullet closer to the neckline by 3 inches, fraud by the way.

Head going forward is explained by the driver movement of the car. He was stopping and turning around and looking. That head movement forward could be a natural thing caused by a headshot from the side.

The Nal

How did no one see a gunman on the knoll and how did the people standing beside this gunman not hear him?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

How did no one see a gunman on the knoll and how did the people standing beside this gunman not hear him?

They did Ed Hoffman and Lee Bowers saw two men behind the picket fence. Ed Hoffman even saw the gun and it got broken down and put in a tool bag. Others saw a flash from behind the bushes and heard the shot coming from there. Eyewitnesses saw smoke and smelled gunpowder at street level including police officers smelled it. How that even possible if Oswald was the only shooter?

Cheerful Spring

Suspicious deaths like Dorothy Killegan (a journalist) is further evidence of a conspiracy. She told everyone two days before her death she was going to blow this case wide open and had inside knowledge of the conspiracy. She was the first journalist to have one to one interview with Jack Ruby. She was found dead of a drug overdose. Just like Lee Bower who was run of the road by a black car according to eyewitnesses.

Cheerful Spring

You have to an idiot to believe Lee Oswald was a communist or Marxist.

Jim Garrison was on the right track but he could not link them suspects directly to the shooting of JFK.

What he did prove in my mind that Lee was involved in covert activities in New Orleans. We now know Clay Shaw lied on the stand and committed perjury when he claimed he was not paid by the CIA. Garrison did not have this information about Clay Shaw during the court case and it sham how the media portray him today. Garrison information was correct.

Lee was clearly pretending to be a communist during his time in New Orleans. The leaflets printed at 544 camp ST is evidence of this fraud and deception.

Ipso

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This a classic comedy from Seinfeld about the magic bullet theory.

Case closed. Because rhe same actor appeared inSeinfeld and JFK.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You have to an idiot to believe Lee Oswald was a communist or Marxist.

To think it was all an act you would have to believe that Marina, his mother amd brother were part of a conspiracy. And countless other people going back years.

You would also have to believe that Oswald was planning to kill Kennedy before Kennedy even announced he was running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Proper lunacy. Poorly researched nonsense.

It also shows that you know zero about the man but we already know that.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

To think it was all an act you would have to believe that Marina, his mother amd brother were part of a conspiracy. And countless other people going back years.

You would also have to believe that Oswald was planning to kill Kennedy before Kennedy even announced he was running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Proper lunacy. Poorly researched nonsense.

It also shows that you know zero about the man but we already know that.

Oswald mother said she believed Lee was working for the US government. Oswald own mother had suspicions he was leading a double life. She even said so on video and said he worked he may have worked for the CIA.

Marina always said Lee never discussed politics around her that well documented and she only knew Lee for three years until his death. He was recruited into this covert life way before he met Marina and had children with her.

When he left the US Marines discharged suspiciously, a few weeks after leaving there he goes to the Soviet Union. It established fact Lee had access to classified info at the Japan CIA base yet he was allowed to travel to the Soviet Union. While in the army he was trained in the Russian language and obviously this he needs to carry out intelligence work.

Like someone, said everywhere you look with him, there are fingerprints of intelligence. Oswald friends and acquaintances they are all linked to the CIA or to anti-communists group. There no hint he any real friends who were communists or anti-establishment. He prints out pro- Castro Cuban leaflets in the same building as Guy Bannister a well-known anti-communist.

Jim Garrison was correct when he pointed out that buildings surrounding 544 camp ST were occupied by US Intelligence.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Oswald mother said she believed Lee was working for the US government. Oswald own mother had suspicions he was leading a double life. She even said so on video and said he worked he may have worked for the CIA.

And Marina? Was she in on a plot for years and continues to cover it up?

Oswalds mother also said "Lee has done more for his country than any other American".

She was nuts. If you knew anything about Oswald you would know his relationship with her is so important in his development and in the assassination. But you don't. It doesn't suit your agenda to get a full well rounded view on things.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Marina always said Lee never discussed politics around her that well documented

Thats a lie. Yet another lie.

Marina was the one who wrote "Hunter of Fascists, Ha-Ha-Ha" on the back of the photo of Oswald holding the rifle. He discussed trying to kill Walker with her after he shot at him. It was because of this she asked to move to New Orleans. Before he left for Mexico from New Orleans he wanted to hijack a plane to get to Cuba with her holding off the passengers with a gun. She knew exactly what he was.

You have no knowledge of the man you are defending. Its pathetic to read and amusing at the same time. It appears that you haven't read one book on the subject or watched a documentary to the end. Just a few quotes and video clips here and there that suits your confirmation bias.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Jim Garrison was correct when he pointed out that buildings surrounding 544 camp ST were occupied by US Intelligence.

A five year old child could've told you that. So what? We know why Oswald put that address on the pamphlets. Oswald never rented 544 Camp St.

It seems that there isn't a single little factoid, quote mine or piece of misinformation that you can post that can't be easily swatted away.

The Nal

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