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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »Yep and evidence clearly show the CIA and Mafia carried out the hit. And FBI covered it up.
Okay, wait..
Now it's the CIA, LBJ, the Mafia AND the FBI?
We're getting closer and closer
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »Oswald was involved in intelligence work when stationed in Japan. Oswald unit (CIA) did top-secret work and involved U2 flights over the Soviet Union. An established fact and can not be disputed. Oswald had top secret clearance if not secret crypto clearance early in his career as a marine. That he took an interest in Marxism while in the marines is not surprising as had to learn and read up on it and get knowledgeable to pass himself off as a true believer later on.
Why did he need to pass himself off a true believer? Why pretend to be a Marxist at all?! So he was pretending to be a Marxist from age 17 in 1956 in order to kill a man 7 years later who in 1956 was a senator who spent most of his time in hospital. This is one of the silliest things Ive ever read.
No actually scrap that. This is more silly.Cheerful Spring wrote: »General Walker was shot in the forearm.
Actually this is just as silly.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Why did Oswald return home? He was living the motherland and had his wife, why was he not happy?.
This is basic basic stuff. The fact that you clearly know nothing about the man shows that you have no real interest in the assassination and are just using it to prop up your world view. You don't even want to know more about Oswald and are completely clueless about the Walker shooting.
It appears to me that you have just watched the JFK movie and an episode or two of The Men Who Killed Kennedy and haven't read one book, watched one other documentary and read or watched nothing on Oswalds life.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Ruby was sent to Dallas by Carlos Marchello, the godfather of the New Orleans mafia. Their good evidence Carlos Marchello was involved in JFK assassination. During the month of Nov, Ruby phone calls increased substantially an established fact. There evidence Ruby phoned the Dallas police switchboard telling the officer on duty, that he was part of committee hired to kill Oswald. Ruby was looking for a way out to not Kill Oswald and hoped he better protected when brought out through the basement. Ruby was given the task to silence him, but he did want to do it but had no choice.
Walter Mitty stuff. Another fact free zone. Whats the evidence Ruby phoned to confess to the Dallas police?Cheerful Spring wrote: »Yes, I have explained the front head movement
We can see the driver is moving and twisting his head to look around when the fatal shot came in. That car is slowing and jerking if the driver is turning his head around to look. Have ever been in a car that slowing and jerking. The head movement forward is only slight. You swear his entire head jolted forward violently or something the way you speak about it.
You know that head movement is 1/18th of a second? No one else in the car moves. A car slowing couldn't do that. Only his head moves forward. Its a bullet.
Cheerful Spring wrote: »What do you mean by bullet wipe? The wound on both Connelly and Kennedy back was the same size 15cm. Which clearly shows two different bullets of roughly the same size was used. You are reading fake info.
When a bullet passes through something it leaves wipe of the materials from the barrel, what its collected in travel etc on the entrance wound. There was bullet wipe on JFKs coat, not on Connallys proving that the bullet that hit Connally has already passed through something.. You don't know about it because conspiracy loons don't speak about it as it proves they were hit by the same bullet.Cheerful Spring wrote: »You guys don't understand engineering or bullet physics.
Cheerful Spring wrote: »
Rubbish the FBI would have known about the Muchmore unprocessed film from their sources in the newspapers and film industry.
I think you need to read this to understand how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
So to prove the FBI knew about the Muchmore movie you've posted a link to a well known CIA operation with no evidence regarding Muchmore. Not an FBI operation. Do you see how stupid you look sometimes?Okay, wait..
Now it's the CIA, LBJ, the Mafia AND the FBI?
We're getting closer and closer
My favourite thing about this thread is when CS gets busted for either lying, not knowing or is asked too many questions and can't answer them and reverts to garden variety stream of consciousness posting such as the fact free waffle over the last couple of pages.0 -
Cheerful Spring wrote: »The case was cracked a long time ago we even have names for the shooters and the people involved were named by Howard E hunt President Nixon CIA man who was involved and headed the Watergate burglaries.
According to Jim Garrisons "Three tramps" theory and since completely refuted.
We know who the three tramps were. None of them were Hunt.
Apparently this is Hunt at the back in the hat!
Aside from the fact that thats an older man in the photo and Hunt was only 45 in 1963, here is what Hunt actually looked like in 1963.
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Why did he need to pass himself off a true believer? Why pretend to be a Marxist at all?! So he was pretending to be a Marxist from age 17 in 1956 in order to kill a man 7 years later who in 1956 was a senator who spent most of his time in hospital. This is one of the silliest things Ive ever read.
No actually scrap that. This is more silly.
Actually this is just as silly.
This is basic basic stuff. The fact that you clearly know nothing about the man shows that you have no real interest in the assassination and are just using it to prop up your world view. You don't even want to know more about Oswald and are completely clueless about the Walker shooting.
It appears to me that you have just watched the JFK movie and an episode or two of The Men Who Killed Kennedy and haven't read one book, watched one other documentary and read or watched nothing on Oswalds life.
Walter Mitty stuff. Another fact free zone. Whats the evidence Ruby phoned to confess to the Dallas police?
You know that head movement is 1/18th of a second? No one else in the car moves. A car slowing couldn't do that. Only his head moves forward. Its a bullet.
When a bullet passes through something it leaves wipe of the materials from the barrel, what its collected in travel etc on the entrance wound. There was bullet wipe on JFKs coat, not on Connallys proving that the bullet that hit Connally has already passed through something.. You don't know about it because conspiracy loons don't speak about it as it proves they were hit by the same bullet.
So to prove the FBI knew about the Muchmore movie you've posted a link to a well known CIA operation with no evidence regarding Muchmore. Not an FBI operation. Do you see how stupid you look sometimes?
My favourite thing about this thread is when CS gets busted for either lying, not knowing or is asked too many questions and can't answer them and reverts to garden variety stream of consciousness posting such as the fact free waffle over the last couple of pages.
This period was 1960s the height of the cold war and Castro and Cuba was big deal back then. Oswald was recruited to be a defector. Oswald after leaving the US marines went to the Soviet Union to learn about the culture and then report back to his intelligence handlers. His superiors may even hoped the KGB would approach him and recruit him? I don't think the Soviets fell for it they had suspicions about Oswald from the get go. In New Orleans pretending to be pro Castro supporter was just another ruse. Again his superiors may have looking to send Oswald to Cuba. It was there way to convince the government in Cuba, he is who claims to be. When they decided to take out Kennedy in 1963, they had patsy in place in Dallas to take the blame. Maybe his escape plan failed and then the organisers of this plot decided to use him as the patsy? Whatever happened it no coincidence the person who shot Oswald was involved with the mob, and was Carlos Marcello man in Dallas.
General Walker was shot in the forearm look this up, his bio history can be found online
I clueless about the Walker shooting , really? I produced a handwritten letter by General Walker. He details the facts. Two men were seen by eyewitnesses and left in a car. Oswald does not drive, he had no car licence. Do you think he was walking the streets with a large rifle in his hand?
The police officer on duty recognised Ruby voice. It was also documented in a JFK file released in Nov 2017. He did not confess he was giving them a warning to provide better protection because he said he was member of committee organised to kill Oswald.
Which makes you claim even more laughable. So 1/18th second of head movement forward, is enough to convince you that shot came from behind?
You can see in this gif the spray blows backwards from above the head. You can even see a piece of bone in frame 315 . I did not capture it correctly but if you run from frame 315 and 316, you see the bone shots off to the left and behind. Well it looks like piece of skull, bullet unlikely?
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Connelly Wife send her husband clothes to the cleaners, a established fact before any examination. Any trace of a bullet wipe would be completely gone.
You can believe the film went to Kodak and FBI were clueless if you like, i don't believe that for a second. The FBI right after the shooting was looking for people who had taken pictures of the event.0 -
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According to Jim Garrisons "Three tramps" theory and since completely refuted.
We know who the three tramps were. None of them were Hunt.
Apparently this is Hunt at the back in the hat!
Aside from the fact that thats an older man in the photo and Hunt was only 45 in 1963, here is what Hunt actually looked like in 1963.
People believe this Howard E hunt in the road after the shooting.
Hunt, said he was a benchwarmer a watcher. He was involved in the planning. His Son confirmed that was one of his favourite jackets and the hats he wore.0 -
Cheerful Spring wrote: »This period was 1960s the height of the cold war and Castro and Cuba was big deal back then. Oswald was recruited to be a defector. Oswald after leaving the US marines went to the Soviet Union to learn about the culture and then report back to his intelligence handlers. His superiors may even hoped the KGB would approach him and recruit him? I don't think the Soviets fell for it they had suspicions about Oswald from the get go. In New Orleans pretending to be pro Castro supporter was just another ruse. Again his superiors may have looking to send Oswald to Cuba. It was there way to convince the government in Cuba, he is who claims to be. When they decided to take out Kennedy in 1963, they had patsy in place in Dallas to take the blame. Maybe his escape plan failed and then the organisers of this plot decided to use him as the patsy? Whatever happened it no coincidence the person who shot Oswald was involved with the mob, and was Carlos Marcello man in Dallas.
Too much mindless waffle there but for the record.
He went to Russia on his own. Learned Russian, saved the money himself.
He offered them all the information he had on the military.
It was nothing they already didn't know.
They rejected him.
He attempted suicide.
They let him stay for fear of an American dying in Russia.
To get him away from trouble they sent him to Minsk where he worked in a factory.
He got bored of the work and Russia as there was nothing to do apart from Union dances.Cheerful Spring wrote: »I clueless about the Walker shooting , really?
Yup, read on.Cheerful Spring wrote: »General Walker was shot in the forearm look this up, his bio history can be found online
And if you do look it up or watch any of the interviews with Walker you'll find that he wasn't shot in the forearm. He wasn't shot at all. The bullet missed him and a fragment hit his forearm.Cheerful Spring wrote: »I produced a handwritten letter by General Walker. He details the facts. Two men were seen by eyewitnesses and left in a car. Oswald does not drive, he had no car licence. Do you think he was walking the streets with a large rifle in his hand?
Yep. He got the bus. Probably more "curtain rods". When the police reported on the radio that two men drove off in a car Oswald found it hilarious. "Spoiled Americans" etc. He stashed the rifle and came back for it after.
This is all in Marinas various testimonies and interviews. Theres the note I posted and Marina seeing Oswald burning the plans in the bath etc.
This is all news to you I know as reading about Oswald and getting a deeper understanding of him doesn't suit your confirmation bias.Cheerful Spring wrote: »The police officer on duty recognised Ruby voice. It was also documented in a JFK file released in Nov 2017. He did not confess he was giving them a warning to provide better protection because he said he was member of committee organised to kill Oswald.
Where is the this evidence?Cheerful Spring wrote: »Which makes you claim even more laughable. So 1/18th second of head movement forward, is enough to convince you that shot came from behind?
Yep. Head moves forward until the exit wound. Indicating a shot from behind.Cheerful Spring wrote: »You can see in this gif the spray blows backwards from above the head. You can even see a piece of bone in frame 315 . I did not capture it correctly but if you run from frame 315 and 316, you see the bone shots off to the left and behind. Well it looks like piece of skull, bullet unlikely?
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Don't be silly. It clearly goes forward. Are telling me that spray is going backwards at frame 313? lol. Same thing that happens in the Muchmore movie.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Connelly Wife send her husband clothes to the cleaners, a established fact before any examination. Any trace of a bullet wipe would be completely gone.
Not true. Blistering hot particles burn. JFKs jacket was dry cleaned too but theres bullet wipe on that.
Connallys wound and clothes also prove the bullet was tumbling which is impossible unless the bullet has already hit something.
Why do you keep ignoring this?Cheerful Spring wrote: »You can believe the film went to Kodak and FBI were clueless if you like, i don't believe that for a second. The FBI right after the shooting was looking for people who had taken pictures of the event.
Evidence that they knew about it and tampered with it please? Ill save you the hassle. Theres none. They didn't know about it.
Do you understand now that the CIA are not the FBI by the way?
But again, all this aside, thousands of people must be in on it at this stage - why not just shoot him at Love Field? Or poison his food at the Trade Mart lunch?0 -
Too much mindless waffle there but for the record.
He went to Russia on his own. Learned Russian, saved the money himself.
He offered them all the information he had on the military.
It was nothing they already didn't know.
They rejected him.
He attempted suicide.
They let him stay for fear of an American dying in Russia.
To get him away from trouble they sent him to Minsk where he worked in a factory.
He got bored of the work and Russia as there was nothing to do apart from Union dances.
Yup, read on.
And if you do look it up or watch any of the interviews with Walker you'll find that he wasn't shot in the forearm. He wasn't shot at all. The bullet missed him and a fragment hit his forearm.
Yep. He got the bus. Probably more "curtain rods". When the police reported on the radio that two men drove off in a car Oswald found it hilarious. "Spoiled Americans" etc. He stashed the rifle and came back for it after.
This is all in Marinas various testimonies and interviews. Theres the note I posted and Marina seeing Oswald burning the plans in the bath etc.
This is all news to you I know as reading about Oswald and getting a deeper understanding of him doesn't suit your confirmation bias.
Where is the this evidence?
Yep. Head moves forward until the exit wound. Indicating a shot from behind.
Don't be silly. It clearly goes forward. Are telling me that spray is going backwards at frame 313? lol. Same thing that happens in the Muchmore movie.
Not true. Blistering hot particles burn. JFKs jacket was dry cleaned too but theres bullet wipe on that.
Connallys wound and clothes also prove the bullet was tumbling which is impossible unless the bullet has already hit something.
Why do you keep ignoring this?
Evidence that they knew about it and tampered with it please? Ill save you the hassle. Theres none. They didn't know about it.
Do you understand now that the CIA are not the FBI by the way?
But again, all this aside, thousands of people must be in on it at this stage - why not just shoot him at Love Field? Or poison his food at the Trade Mart lunch?
Doug Horne was a member of the Assassination Records Review Board. He says he saw classified records behind closed doors that do show Oswald was working for US intelligence before he went to the Soviet Union.. He said the CIA has the Oswald files and never and most likely will never release them.
This Arlen Specter replicating the magic bullet trajectory. People like you will course will ignore the bullet is exiting near the right shoulder blade and collarbone and nowhere the throat. Their own experiment is a mockery of what actually occurred.
What difference does that make bullets fragments hit his forearm, he was injured I was right? So you believe Oswald said that now? Did he not deny he shot officer tippet and Kennedy when caught by Dallas Police? Oswald is a strange cat enigma. If he shot at Kennedy and Tippet, then obviously he has no trouble lying to protect himself and his a convincing liar? To pass yourself off as something you not lying is something you have to be really good at. Oswald may have taken an interest in Marxism but the fingerprints of intelligence cannot be ignored. We know from his time in New Orleans and if the information is not false, he approached Carlos Bringuier and told him he was a US marine and could train Cuban exiles to fight Castro. He even produced army manuals that show him how to make bombs. There you see Oswald playing the two sides so we know he was capable of it.
Sorry that bull JFK jacket and shirt was not cleaned before the examination. Connelly was and that just a fact. The tumbling bullet is more nonsense because the wound was 1.5 cm. It one of most glaring errors from supporters of the single bullet theory. They ignore the medical record. Dr Shaw enlarged the wound to 3cm after cleaning and enlarging it was not caused by a tumbling bullet.
During the 60s very few places in Dallas could process film from these new types of cameras. It not like today you could walk into shop and process the photographs and film. Kodak in Dallas would have got watched closely by the FBI, after the shooting. We know from the autopsy multiple images are missing from the archive. The Dallas doctors 16 of them saw a head wound behind the ear, but in these films there no head wound there. We can even see the animation on the frames, the back of the head is more darker then the top of the head it was shaded in by an optical printer. Where the bullet fragments from the head explosion?0 -
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »Doug Horne was a member of the Assassination Records Review Board. He says he saw classified records behind closed doors that do show Oswald was working for US intelligence before he went to the Soviet Union.. He said the CIA has the Oswald files and never and most likely will never release them.
And John Tunheim who was the Chairman of the AARB said Oswald was the lone assassin as he dealt with "hard facts and evidence". See, anyone can mine a quote.Cheerful Spring wrote: »This Arlen Specter replicating the magic bullet trajectory. People like you will course will ignore the bullet is exiting near the right shoulder blade and collarbone and nowhere the throat. Their own experiment is a mockery of what actually occurred.
Hahaha,. Even by your low standards, thats comical. Do you think Specter was going to drive the stick through the guys back and throat for the purpose of demonstration? Hes just showing the trajectory. :rolleyes:Cheerful Spring wrote: »What difference does that make bullets fragments hit his forearm, he was injured I was right?
Nope you were wrong. Again. Theres a big difference between shooting someone in the arm and shooting someone in the head which is what Oswald was trying to do. It proves he was willing to engage in political assassination.Cheerful Spring wrote: »So you believe Oswald said that now?
No I believe Marina and also believe he shot at Walker because of the note (in his handwriting) telling Marina what to do if he was caught.
"If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge)." and so on.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Did he not deny he shot officer tippet and Kennedy when caught by Dallas Police? Oswald is a strange cat enigma. If he shot at Kennedy and Tippet, then obviously he has no trouble lying to protect himself and his a convincing liar? To pass yourself off as something you not lying is something you have to be really good at. Oswald may have taken an interest in Marxism but the fingerprints of intelligence cannot be ignored. We know from his time in New Orleans and if the information is not false, he approached Carlos Bringuier and told him he was a US marine and could train Cuban exiles to fight Castro. He even produced army manuals that show him how to make bombs. There you see Oswald playing the two sides so we know he was capable of it.
Exactly. We also have the letters from Oswald to the Fair play for Cuba Committee documenting this and proving he was trying to infiltrate Bringuiers group. He was on the radio, he was on TV.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Sorry that bull JFK jacket and shirt was not cleaned before the examination. Connelly was and that just a fact. The tumbling bullet is more nonsense because the wound was 1.5 cm. It one of most glaring errors from supporters of the single bullet theory. They ignore the medical record. Dr Shaw enlarged the wound to 3cm after cleaning and enlarging it was not caused by a tumbling bullet.
Shaw’s operative report after the procedure on Nov. 22, 1963 states "The wound of entrance was approximately 3 cm in longest diameter…”
This operative report is a fully binding legal document.
Also this.
Mr. Specter. As to the wound on the back of Governor Connally, was there any indication that the bullet was tumbling prior to the time it struck him?
Dr. Shaw. I would only have to say that I'm not a ballistics expert, but the wound on his chest was not a single puncture wound, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling.
Mr. Specter. You mean the wound on his back?
Dr. Shaw. The wound on his back – yes, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling. In other words, it was not a spherical puncture wound.Cheerful Spring wrote: »During the 60s very few places in Dallas could process film from these new types of cameras. It not like today you could walk into shop and process the photographs and film. Kodak in Dallas would have got watched closely by the FBI, after the shooting. We know from the autopsy multiple images are missing from the archive.
So theres no proof whatsoever that the Muchmore movie was altered or that the FBI even knew about it. And it authenticates the Zapruder film and the Nix movie and the Moorman photo. Showing JFKs head moving forward, the spray going forward and no one behind the fence. Glad we cleared that up.Cheerful Spring wrote: »Where the bullet fragments from the head explosion?
Here.
One of them caused the crack on the windshield and on the chrome on the inside of the car, which would've been impossible with a front shot.
Vincent Guinn, professor of chemistry at the University of California and a well respected neutron activation analysis expert testified to the HSCA that he believed all fragments from the Kennedy and Walker shootings came from the same gun. Oswalds gun.0 -
And John Tunheim who was the Chairman of the AARB said Oswald was the lone assassin as he dealt with "hard facts and evidence". See, anyone can mine a quote.
Hahaha,. Even by your low standards, thats comical. Do you think Specter was going to drive the stick through the guys back and throat for the purpose of demonstration? Hes just showing the trajectory. :rolleyes:
Nope you were wrong. Again. Theres a big difference between shooting someone in the arm and shooting someone in the head which is what Oswald was trying to do. It proves he was willing to engage in political assassination.
No I believe Marina and also believe he shot at Walker because of the note (in his handwriting) telling Marina what to do if he was caught.
"If I am alive and taken prisoner, the city jail is located at the end of the bridge through which we always passed on going to the city (right in the beginning of the city after crossing the bridge)." and so on.
Exactly. We also have the letters from Oswald to the Fair play for Cuba Committee documenting this and proving he was trying to infiltrate Bringuiers group. He was on the radio, he was on TV.
Shaw’s operative report after the procedure on Nov. 22, 1963 states "The wound of entrance was approximately 3 cm in longest diameter…”
This operative report is a fully binding legal document.
Also this.
Mr. Specter. As to the wound on the back of Governor Connally, was there any indication that the bullet was tumbling prior to the time it struck him?
Dr. Shaw. I would only have to say that I'm not a ballistics expert, but the wound on his chest was not a single puncture wound, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling.
Mr. Specter. You mean the wound on his back?
Dr. Shaw. The wound on his back – yes, it was long enough so that there might have been some tumbling. In other words, it was not a spherical puncture wound.
So theres no proof whatsoever that the Muchmore movie was altered or that the FBI even knew about it. And it authenticates the Zapruder film and the Nix movie and the Moorman photo. Showing JFKs head moving forward, the spray going forward and no one behind the fence. Glad we cleared that up.
Here.
One of them caused the crack on the windshield and on the chrome on the inside of the car, which would've been impossible with a front shot.
Vincent Guinn, professor of chemistry at the University of California and a well respected neutron activation analysis expert testified to the HSCA that he believed all fragments from the Kennedy and Walker shootings came from the same gun. Oswalds gun.
Arlen Spector trajectory shows the bullet entering the right shoulder and exiting near the collar bone on the right side. You again have ignored his was lining this up with Gov Connelly wound near the right shoulder. You just sidestepped this as if it not important when it is. The bullet entering Kennedy back would have to travel in a different direction to exit out the throat. Of course single bullet theorists like yourself are clueless to this fact.
Wrong here Dr Shaw testimony.
Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe in as much detail as you can the wound on the posterior side of the Governor's chest?
Dr. SHAW - This was a small wound approximately a centimeter and a half in its greatest diameter. It was roughly elliptical. It was just medial to the axilliary fold or the crease of the armpit, but we could tell that this wound, the depth of the wound, had not penetrated the shoulder blade.
Mr. SPECTER - What were the characteristics, if any, which indicated to you that it was a wound of entrance then?
Dr. SHAW - Its small size, and the rather clean cut edges of the wound as compared to the usual more ragged wound of exit.
Rest of your post we have difference of opinion.
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »Arlen Spector trajectory shows the bullet entering the right shoulder and exiting near the collar bone on the right side. You again have ignored his was lining this up with Gov Connelly wound near the right shoulder. You just sidestepped this as if it not important when it is. The bullet entering Kennedy back would have travel in a different direction to exit out the throat. Of course single bullet theorists like yourself are clueless to this fact.
Are you basing this off one photo that portrays a crude demonstration?
Heres the trajectory
And here is how it entered and exited Kennedy.
Warren Commission agreed, as did the HSCA. There have been various 3D recreations of the shooting - all accurate and they all lead to this conclusion. Now you do understand that Elm Street declines from Houston St onto a fairly steep hill? Do you? Which essentially tilted the car forward.
Cheerful Spring wrote: »Wrong here Dr Shaw testimony.
Mr. SPECTER - Will you describe in as much detail as you can the wound on the posterior side of the Governor's chest?
Dr. SHAW - This was a small wound approximately a centimeter and a half in its greatest diameter. It was roughly elliptical. It was just medial to the axilliary fold or the crease of the armpit, but we could tell that this wound, the depth of the wound, had not penetrated the shoulder blade.
Mr. SPECTER - What were the characteristics, if any, which indicated to you that it was a wound of entrance then?
Dr. SHAW - Its small size, and the rather clean cut edges of the wound as compared to the usual more ragged wound of exit.
So you agree Shaw is not a reliable witness due to inconsistencies with his opinions?Cheerful Spring wrote: »Rest of your post we have difference of opinion.
You have a different opinion regarding Oswald leaving a note? Do you not think he left one?
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Are you basing this off one photo that portrays a crude demonstration?
Heres the trajectory
And here is how it entered and exited Kennedy.
Warren Commission agreed, as did the HSCA. There have been various 3D recreations of the shooting - all accurate and they all lead to this conclusion.
So you agree Shaw is not a reliable witness due to inconsistencies with his opinions?
You have a different opinion regarding Oswald leaving a note? Did you he not?
That trajectory is nonsense. If you believe the Zaprauder film is genuine then use it correctly. President Kennedy was hit by a bullet behind the street sign, the bullet had already left his throat and hit Connelly in the back when the car was behind the street sign. You can see Connelly still seated forward in his seat when the car was seen again, so it obvious was not the same bullet. Kennedy arms was lifting to his throat this image does not even show that. Your image is very incorrect.
He testimony is reliable the entrance wound measured 1.5cm, his medical doctor, not a ballistic expert.
The note, not really. Oswald was involved in the murder of JFK. The unknown was he set up or was involved with the conspiracy?0 -
Cheerful Spring wrote: »That trajectory is nonsense. If you believe the Zaprauder film is genuine then use it correctly. President Kennedy was hit by a bullet behind the street sign, the bullet had already left his throat and hit Connelly in the back when the car was behind the street sign. You can see Connelly still seated forward in his seat when the car was seen again, so it obvious was not the same bullet. Kennedy arms was lifting to his throat this image does not even show that. Your image is very incorrect.
Ill post this again. Same reaction time. Same bullet.
Or is Connally just doing the funky chicken for no reason?
Cheerful Spring wrote: »He testimony is reliable the entrance wound measured 1.5cm, his medical doctor, not a ballistic expert.
Why did he say it was measured at 3cm in his report? A legally binding report. If Oswald went to trial, thats the document they would've used. Are you calling him a liar?Cheerful Spring wrote: »The note, not really. Oswald was involved in the murder of JFK. The unknown was he set up or was involved with the conspiracy?
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Ill post this again. Same reaction time. Same bullet.
Or is Connally just doing the funky chicken for no reason?
Why did he say it was measured at 3cm in his report? A legally binding report. If Oswald went to trial, thats the document they would've used. Are you calling him a liar?
So you think Oswald just wrote that note for a laugh and Marina is making everything up?
Kennedy was already hit before frame 224 . Are you claiming the bullet exited his throat at frame 224 and then hit Connelly, that not true.? We know from Dr Shaw testimony the entrance wound was 1.5cm a tumbling bullet would have created a larger wound. The single bullet theorists, the researchers of course ignore this and claim the entrance wound was 3cm. You made that mistake believing the information was factual and truthful? Dr Shaw enlarged the entrance wound for cleaning and surgery a well known reported fact.0 -
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Cheerful Spring wrote: »Nowhere in this medical report does Dr Shaw state he found an entrance wound of 3cm.
Another lie. I've lost count at this stage. A staggering lack of knowledge and ignorance.
Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - John Connally Thoracic Surgery
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot wound of the chest with comminuted fracture of the 5th rib.
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same with laceration right middle lobe, hematoma lower lobe of lung.
Operation: Thoracotomy, removal of rib fragment, debridement of wound
Began: 1335 Ended: 1520
Anesthetic: General Began: 1300 Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Robert Shaw, M. D.
Assistants: Drs. Boland and Duke
Scrub Nurse: King/Bukett
Circ. Nurse: Johnson
Sponge Counts: 1st - Correct, 2nd - Correct
I. V. Fluids and Blood: 111-500 cc whole blood, 11-1000cc D-5-RL
Complications: None
Condition of Patient: Satisfactory
"It was found that the wound of entrance was just lateral to the right scapula close to the axilla yet had passed through the latysmus dorsi muscle shattered approximately ten cm of the lateral and anterior portion of the right fifth rib and emerged below the right nipple. The wound of entrance was approximately three cm in its longest diameter and the wound of exit was a ragged wound approximately five cm in its greatest diameter"
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Dr. Robert Shaw
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I suppose this was faked too?Cheerful Spring wrote: »You just posted why. Dr Shaw claimed the wound could be caused by a bullet slightly tumbling or a bullet coming in a right angle at a tangent. He gave two opinions, not one. You preferred the first opinion and ignored the second opinion.
Nope I knowingly posted both. He wasn't sure/changed his mind. Hes not a reliable source. As above shows. Hence why I haven't used him as a reference unless its debunking your poorly researched "theories".Cheerful Spring wrote: »Both men are hit by different bullets. The difference is 1 to 2 seconds. There no way Connelly was hit in the back at frame 224. Even your own image of trajectory has Connelly body shifted to one side. It clear as day in frame 224 Connelly was seated forward and looking ahead.
Who is claiming he was hit at 224? I'm not. He was hit at 225.
Explain his movement at frame 225? Explain him wincing and his body jolting and his jacket popping out on the same side as the exit wound at frame 225? How did that happen? Why do Kennedys hands drop and grasp in the same frame?
Look at them.Or a bomb placed somewhere convenient followed by a prekilled stooge to claim responsibility.
Much easier yeah and hassle free yeah. Bomb under the floor boards under his chair at the trade mart. Boom. Done.0 -
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Who is claiming he was hit at 224? I'm not. He was hit at 225.
Explain his movement at frame 225? Explain him wincing and his body jolting and his jacket popping out on the same side as the exit wound at frame 225? How did that happen? Why do Kennedys hands drop and grasp in the same frame?
Look at them.
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There a problem you overlooking here. The throat wound has to be an exit wound if you correct, but the doctors at Parkland hospital said the size was less than half cm to one cm across. So why did the bullet break the skin and leave only a small exit hole? In my opinion that small hole can only be caused by another bullet or piece of glass or something hitting him near the throat (window break possible explanation for this cut on the throat, or bullet travelling through the window would also have very small pieces of glass on the surface of the bullet) The more i look at this I don't believe that bullet came from behind, it came from the front.
Kennedy was likely hit in the back when the car drove past the street sign. Then-Gov Connelly reaction on the Zapruder film is easily simply explained by a separate bullet striking him after the first shot had hit Kennedy in the back. It does not make sense, if you only see Oswald as the only shooter. Shots coming in from behind and from the front explains everything we see on Zapruder film.
The head shot cannot be from behind, the bullet obviously exploded when entered the skull.0 -
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