JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Two separate bullets hitting Connelly and Kennedy from behind is a rational and sane explanation.

The Mob, the CIA, the FBI and LBJ killing JFK is the only rational and sane explanation and all the conspiracy theorists who believe otherwise are idiots?

The Nal

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Mob, the CIA, the FBI and LBJ killing JFK is the only rational and sane explanation and all the conspiracy theorists who believe otherwise are idiots?

Theres nothing rational and sane about conspiracy theorists. As Cheerful Spring will ignore again, why not just poison his food? Or have one guy shoot him on Main St and have a Secret Service guy kill the shooter? Only a couple of people needed for that conspiracy. And its much easier.

Using that as base logic, any other conspiracy theory is irrational and insane.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Mob, the CIA, the FBI and LBJ killing JFK is the only rational and sane explanation and all the conspiracy theorists who believe otherwise are idiots?

You have to be crazy or insane or deluded to believe the single bullet theory.

This what you believe?

Bullet coming in a downward angle broke Skin in Kennedy back, the bullet then bruised Kennedy right lung, then moved up and out through Kennedy's neck leaving a small hole of half cm ( everyone knows an exit wound is larger than the entry wound) then did some crazy tumbling according to single bullet theorists, then reentered Connelly back, shattered five rib bones, then exited through the chest again near the right nipple, then shattered bone in the left wrist and then broke skin in the thigh.

It insane theory and even more so when you see the bullet they claim did it, and in pristine condition.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You have to be crazy or insane or deluded to believe the single bullet theory.

So when you personally can't "believe" or "fathom" something, that automatically conjures a made-up conspiracy into existence?

How does that work?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So when you personally can't "believe" or "fathom" something, that automatically conjures a made-up conspiracy into existence?

How does that work?

This has got proven scientifically by the Warren Commission own ballistic experts. They tested 100 bullets to prove the single bullet theory and not even one looked that bullet in the archive. And their bullets were only hitting wrist bone and ribcage bone. They sided with Arlen Specter a lawyer in the end. The Warren Commission report was a sideshow a fraud. Dulles head of CIA was sacked by Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs and he was on the 7 member commission panel, how objective was he really? The panel was made up of men who would cover up for the government. We even know President Ford was telling the FBI what was going on behind closed doors, informing them what the problems were in the evidence.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This has got proven scientifically by the Warren Commission own ballistic experts.

If you require absolutely proven theories, then why do you believe the theory of the Mob, CIA, FBI and LBJ killing JFK?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Theres nothing rational and sane about conspiracy theorists. As Cheerful Spring will ignore again, why not just poison his food? Or have one guy shoot him on Main St and have a Secret Service guy kill the shooter? Only a couple of people needed for that conspiracy. And its much easier.

Using that as base logic, any other conspiracy theory is irrational and insane.

We both agree Oswald is an integral part of the conspiracy. The difference is the shooting in Dallas had to involve Oswald they needed someone to take the fall and blame.

We also know Kennedy was to be taken out in Chicago and Florida. We know that they had a patsy set up to take the fall in Chicago named Thomas Arthur Vallee, what remarkable about this guy he also was a former US marine and was stationed in Japan, just like Oswald. He was more of a right-wing nut than a Marxist (communist) he arrested due to tipoff he was going to be involved in a plot to kill Kennedy. This was why Kennedy cancelled that trip to Chicago I believe in Oct.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If you require absolutely proven theories, then why do you believe the theory of the Mob, CIA, FBI and LBJ killing JFK?

Why would the US government cover up a Mafia hit on Kennedy? So it obvious some bigger players was involved in this murder.

The secret service would not allow an honest autopsy to be done at Parkland hospital. People are ignoring they threatened staff at the hospital with intimidation and threats. Again his dead why not allow the autopsy to happen? Kennedy was shot by different guns, so the whoever was in charge did not want this to come out so they got his body out of there as quick as they could after he got murdered. Then took him to a government facility so they could cover up what happened.

Even at Bethesda naval centre shenanigans took place. We know this because of x-ray technicians, morgue technicians, and autopsy photographers have come out and revealed they saw different wounds on Kennedy body. There no reason for these people to lie about what they saw. The doctors at Parkland even saw wounds that are different.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You have to be crazy or insane or deluded to believe the single bullet theory.

This what you believe?

Bullet coming in a downward angle broke Skin in Kennedy back, the bullet then bruised Kennedy right lung, then moved up and out through Kennedy's neck leaving a small hole of half cm ( everyone knows an exit wound is larger than the entry wound) then did some crazy tumbling according to single bullet theorists, then reentered Connelly back, shattered five rib bones, then exited through the chest again near the right nipple, then shattered bone in the left wrist and then broke skin in the thigh.

It insane theory and even more so when you see the bullet they claim did it, and in pristine condition.

Such garden variety conspiracy theory stuff. Using the word "pristine", posting a side on picture of this. Which was proved to have been fired from Oswalds rifle.



"Crazy tumbling" is scientific fact.

It didn't shatter 5 rib bones either. Yet another lie. Youre a shameless liar which is amusing. It would actually be quite admirable if it wasn't so pathetic.

This is what happened. The only defence conspiracy theorists have here is "oh hes one of them" yet offer no theory themselves. :rolleyes:

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

( everyone knows an exit wound is larger than the entry wound)

Earlier, wasn't he arguing that that this:

Was the exit wound to the shot that blew open Kennedy's head?

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

Earlier, wasn't he arguing that that this:

Was the exit wound to the shot that blew open Kennedy's head?

Indeed. Classic garden variety stuff again. The headshot shot from the knoll creates a huge entrance wound but the 2nd shot exists in a completely different physical universe.

If called out on this just revert to "the Zapruder film was faked" and/or "they used exploding bullets".

A shot from the front right can apparently cause a huge entrance wound, leave the left side of his head "pristine" (see what I did there?), cause his head to move forward and cause the blood splatter to go forward and none go backwards.

Now thats a magic bullet.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Such garden variety conspiracy theory stuff. Using the word "pristine", posting a side on picture of this. Which was proved to have been fired from Oswalds rifle.



"Crazy tumbling" is scientific fact.

It didn't shatter 5 rib bones either. Yet another lie. Youre a shameless liar which is amusing. It would actually be quite admirable if it wasn't so pathetic.

This is what happened. The only defence conspiracy theorists have here is "oh hes one of them" yet offer no theory themselves. :rolleyes:

False they had a Carcano round that could be fired from Oswald gun. If they were positive Oswald used this bullet in his rifle, why did they carry out experiments?

We know from the Warren Commission and HSCA ballistic tests they were unable to replicate the shot by Oswald. Their bullets in every case were deformed and mangled. So why should anyone believe Oswald did this when their own scientific experiments could not show it was possible?

The Bullet shattered the fifth rib 10cm according to Dr Shaw. You think the bullet had superpowers to not be damaged?

In the real world, you have to prove it scientifically possible, and so far nobody is able to full stop end of story.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

False they had a Carcano round that could be fired from Oswald gun. If they were positive Oswald used this bullet in his rifle, why did they carry out experiments?

.

I'm more concerned about the bullets from your conspiracy theory, what condition are they in?

As always, inventing a conspiracy to cover another conspiracy is not an answer

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Earlier, wasn't he arguing that that this:

Was the exit wound to the shot that blew open Kennedy's head?

John Stringer and his assistant Floyd Reibe were the only allowed photographers at the official autopsy. They were shown autopsy images by the ARRB and they both denied they took them. So we know for a fact these photographs were not taken during the official autopsy. We know from X-ray Technician Jerrol Custer testimony, also the x rays of Kennedy skull are dubious.

The doctors at Parkland described seeing a head wound behind the ear at the back of the head. In this image, the hairline is intact and gelled and wet. You see a weird hole opening above the ear. Doctors at Parkland are highly experienced trauma doctors who have dealt with gunshots wounds all the time. How can you mistake a hole in the back of the head?

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Copy paste waffle

Mm hmm. Didn't read any of that.

You said that the entry wound was larger than the exit wound.
You then later said that entry wounds are always smaller.

You contradicted yourself in a very hilarious way.
Again.
You are a joke.
You realise that, right?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Mm hmm. Didn't read any of that.

You said that the entry wound was larger than the exit wound.
You then later said that entry wounds are always smaller.

You contradicted yourself in a very hilarious way.
Again.
You are a joke.
You realise that, right?

Single bullet theorists are a joke. They claiming a half cm small circular throat wound is an exit wound. You can't have it both ways, I was pointing out the irony to them. It also depends on the calibre bullet used but you don't understand that and never will:) an exploding bullet shatters on impact and one whole bullet does not exit out.

The Nal

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm more concerned about the bullets from your conspiracy theory, what condition are they in?

there were never any bullets or fragments of any other bullets found anywhere in in the plaza or in the victims.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

False they had a Carcano round that could be fired from Oswald gun. If they were positive Oswald used this bullet in his rifle, why did they carry out experiments?

No, a bullet that was fired from Oswalds gun. Proven. Fact.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We know from the Warren Commission and HSCA ballistic tests they were unable to replicate the shot by Oswald. Their bullets in every case were deformed and mangled. So why should anyone believe Oswald did this when their own scientific experiments could not show it was possible?

They were firing directly at wrist bones and such. Not the same shot. It is possible and has been recreated though. Fackler did and some bullets were less damaged than CE399. It is possible. Why dont you look beyond the WC and the HSCA? Oh I know, because the truth doesn't suit your agenda.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

John Stringer and his assistant Floyd Reibe were the only allowed photographers at the official autopsy. They were shown autopsy images by the ARRB and they both denied they took them. So we know for a fact these photographs were not taken during the official autopsy. We know from X-ray Technician Jerrol Custer testimony, also the x rays of Kennedy skull are dubious.

The doctors at Parkland described seeing a head wound behind the ear at the back of the head. In this image, the hairline is intact and gelled and wet. You see a weird hole opening above the ear. Doctors at Parkland are highly experienced trauma doctors who have dealt with gunshots wounds all the time. How can you mistake a hole in the back of the head?

They never turned him over in Dallas to look at the back of his head.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Single bullet theorists are a joke.

This is coming from someone who claims to have seen a picture of a key witness looking away from the TSBD at the time of the headshot and never produced it (as it doesn't exist), someone who, to prove that the FBI altered films taken that day posted a link to a CIA operation and someone who only today claims CE399 shattered five of Connallys ribs. Five!!

Couldn't make it up. The irony is breathtaking.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

They claiming a half cm small circular throat wound is an exit wound. You can't have it both ways, I was pointing out the irony to them. It also depends on the calibre bullet used but you don't understand that and never will:) an exploding bullet shatters on impact and one whole bullet does not exit out.

Its possible to have exit wounds the same size as entry wounds and sometimes the exit wound smaller than the bullet. Read Lattimer or The HSCAs Forensic Pathology Panel who proved this and countless other published and proven studies.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

there were never any bullets or fragments of any other bullets found anywhere in in the plaza or in the victims.



No, a bullet that was fired from Oswalds gun. Proven. Fact.



They were firing directly at wrist bones and such. Not the same shot. It is possible and has been recreated though. Fackler did and some bullets were less damaged than CE399. It is possible. Why dont you look beyond the WC and the HSCA? Oh I know, because the truth doesn't suit your agenda.



They never turned him over in Dallas to look at the back of his head.



Its possible to have exit wounds the same size as entry wounds and sometimes the exit wound smaller than the bullet. Read Lattimer, The HSCAs Forensic Pathology Panel who proved this and countless other published and proven studies.

False and we know it to be as true, as the ARRB a government body found an envelope hidden in an FBI archive and was dated the week JFK was murdered and written on the envelope it said 7.65mm bullet found at Dealey Plaza. So we know from this alone a bullet of different calibre were found. And what else could be missing or destroyed? Why did the FBI not present this evidence to Warren Commission and HSCA? We also know from Dr Shaw Tesimony there too many bullet fragments left behind in Connelly's wrist. We also know bullet fragments are missing from the JFK collection.

Proven nope. All their tests proved scientifically the magic bullet theory is a joke.

Two government bodies whose sole purpose was to find Oswald guilty could not replicate Oswald shot that day. The magic bullet is a plant to frame Oswald.

You think the doctors would have not seen a hole in the back of the head in the operating room be real. Hole in the back of Kennedy I can understand if they never turned him around to take a look there.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

False they had a Carcano round that could be fired from Oswald gun. If they were positive Oswald used this bullet in his rifle, why did they carry out experiments?

We know from the Warren Commission and HSCA ballistic tests they were unable to replicate the shot by Oswald. Their bullets in every case were deformed and mangled. So why should anyone believe Oswald did this when their own scientific experiments could not show it was possible?

The Bullet shattered the fifth rib 10cm according to Dr Shaw. You think the bullet had superpowers to not be damaged?

In the real world, you have to prove it scientifically possible, and so far nobody is able to full stop end of story.

Here's where your lack of understanding shines through when it comes to guns/bullets/ballistics. You can fire 10,000 rounds tomorrow and no 2 shots will be exactly the same, no 2 bullets will act in the same manner, do you know why?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

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This is coming from someone who claims to have seen a picture of a key witness looking away from the TSBD at the time of the headshot and never produced it (as it doesn't exist), someone who, to prove that the FBI altered films taken that day posted a link to a CIA operation and someone who only today claims CE399 shattered five of Connallys ribs. Five!!

Couldn't make it up. The irony is breathtaking.



Its possible to have exit wounds the same size as entry wounds and sometimes the exit wound smaller than the bullet. Read Lattimer or The HSCAs Forensic Pathology Panel who proved this and countless other published and proven studies.

I said Brennan was looking down when the first shot was fired. There no evidence at all he was looking up to TSBD when Kennedy was hit in the head. That link I provided had a photograph of him looking down. He claims he saw a man standing in the window you just glossed over that and ignored he said that. Oswald was not standing unless he was shooting through glass?

We know from Dino Bruligoni testimony he saw the original unprocessed Zapruder film. He believed frames are missing and he saw a larger wound and more blood spray. Dino Bruligoni was one of the world best image analysts and he worked for the CIA.

Single bullet theorists are claiming one whole bullet burst through Kennedy's neck and was tumbling. There, not one test that shows a Carcano bullet can survive undeformed when it hit wrist and rib bone.

Cheerful Spring

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Here's where your lack of understanding shines through when it comes to guns/bullets/ballistics. You can fire 10,000 rounds tomorrow and no 2 shots will be exactly the same, no 2 bullets will act in the same manner, do you know why?

Are you just going to dismiss the Warren Commission and HSCA own firearm tests? If they could not replicate it and they tried then it not possible.

There no chain of evidence or custody for that magic bullet either. It was found in pristine condition with no blood or tissue on it on a clean hospital stretcher.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Are you just going to dismiss the Warren Commission and HSCA own firearm tests? If they could not replicate it and they tried then it not possible.

There no chain of evidence or custody for that magic bullet either. It was found in pristine condition with no blood or tissue on it on a clean stretcher.

Exactly! You cannot ever replicate a shot 100% so you do your best and thats what they did. You're getting excited because the results are not 100% the same without realising that a 100% match is impossible.

banie01

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

There no chain of evidence or custody for that magic bullet either. It was found in pristine condition with no blood or tissue on it on a clean stretcher.

You?!
YOU!!!!
Are going to use the "lack" of a chain of custody as a support for your nonsensical position on this?
After casually dismissing the same argument in the 9/11 thread?

You are a hypocrite and a fantasist!

Cheerful Spring

banie01 wrote: »

You?!
YOU!!!!
Are going to use the "lack" of a chain of custody as a support for your nonsensical position on this?
After casually dismissing the same argument in the 9/11 thread?

You are a hypocrite and a fantasist!

Yes, that chain of-of custody is important to prove someone is guilty.

I never dismissed chain of evidence in the 9/11 thread. On what topic are you referring to exactly?

Only fantasists would claim that bullet caused multiple wounds to both Kennedy and Connelly. You guys dismiss hard evidence like the ballistic tests as if it not proof when clearly is. The tests proved a Carcano bullet will deform when it hits bone. There no test that proves otherwise and can be shown to be and cannot be refuted.

Dohnjoe

No adherence to elementary rules of reason/logic.

Yet another case of "I can't believe something, therefore it can't have happened, no one will convince me otherwise" - followed by a dishonest display of mental and verbal gymnastics to get around the fact

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No adherence to elementary rules of reason/logic.

Yet another case of "I can't believe something, therefore it can't have happened, no one will convince me otherwise" - followed by a dishonest display of mental and verbal gymnastics to get around the fact

logic is lost on you. You prefer to believe in the magic bullet then entertain the idea that Kennedy was shot by another shooter. The wounds are easily explained if Kennedy and Connelly got hit by two bullets, there no need for magic the simplest explanation is likely right.

The Nal

Dohnjoe wrote: »

No adherence to elementary rules of reason/logic.

Yet another case of "I can't believe something, therefore it can't have happened, no one will convince me otherwise" - followed by a dishonest display of mental and verbal gymnastics to get around the fact

No verbal gymnastics. Just outright lies at times.

He so wants it to be a conspiracy but hasnt offered a single credible theory or a single piece of credible evidence pointing towards a conspiracy. He wont answer the question why they didnt shoot him on Main St, bomb him, poison his food etc either.

Its been 55 years. Theres no evidence of a conspiracy.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

No verbal gymnastics. Just outright lies at times.

He so wants it to be a conspiracy but hasnt offered a single credible theory or a single piece of credible evidence pointing towards a conspiracy. He wont answer the question why they didnt shoot him on Main St, bomb him, poison his food etc either.

Its been 55 years. Theres no evidence of a conspiracy.

It was the HSCA conclusion there was a conspiracy and there was a second shooter. You lying. There plenty of evidence to believe there was a conspiracy. HSCA is a political hearing so they only went so far to blame the mob. There plenty of evidence gathered over 50 years to show Oswald was not the only shooter. And recent actions with the JFK files is further proof the conspiracy theorists are right.

The Warren Commission classified all their evidence for 75 years
The HSCA for 50 years.

None of these investigations wanted ordinary folk to read everything they found out

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

There plenty of evidence to believe there was a conspiracy.

Then present it, instead of hiding it behind another made-up conspiracy.

According to you there's plenty of evidence, so let's start off with the shooters, their names? their locations? what guns did they use? at what times and how many times did they fire in relation to Oswald's shots?

King Mob

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Then present it, instead of hiding it behind another made-up conspiracy.

According to you there's plenty of evidence, so let's start off with the shooters, their names? their locations? what guns did they use? at what times and how many times did they fire in relation to Oswald's shots?

I would like to see a picture of the explosive bullet that was supposedly used, along with a complete chain of custody.