JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Excellent write up best I have seen online.

http://assassinationofjfk.net/the-two-npic-zapruder-film-events-signposts-pointing-to-the-films-alteration/

Its a very long document and I'm stuck for time.

Can you give me a shorthened down version in your own words please?

What's excellent about it? 10/15 bullet points should do.

patsman07

If you were organising a conspiracy surely you'd locate your patsy in the best shooting position, in this case the knoll.

I don't discount the possibility of a conspiracy given Oswald's extremely suspicious background and connections. However, the idea that the conspirators would have the reach to alter the zappruder film and access to Kennedy's body on Air Force One is ridiculous.

You can see in the Zappruder film that Kennedy doesn't have a wound in the back of his head as the car speeds off towards triple underpass.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The technology did not exist in 1963 to alter frames, prove it.

Nope youre the one claiming they altered it. Show us how they did it please. Show us how, in a pre digital age, they manipulated film in 72 hours that could stand up to modern digital scrutiny.

patsman07 wrote: »

If you were organising a conspiracy surely you'd locate your patsy in the best shooting position, in this case the knoll.

I don't discount the possibility of a conspiracy given Oswald's extremely suspicious background and connections. However, the idea that the conspirators would have the reach to alter the zappruder film and access to Kennedy's body on Air Force One is ridiculous.

You can see in the Zappruder film that Kennedy doesn't have a wound in the back of his head as the car speeds off towards triple underpass.

Faked apparently. "they" faked it despite not knowing if someone else had the "real" copy.

Of course theres no evidence for this.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Nope youre the one claiming they altered it. Show us how they did it please. Show us how, in a pre digital age, they manipulated film in 72 hours that could stand up to modern digital scrutiny.



Faked apparently. "they" faked it despite not knowing if someone else had the "real" copy.

Of course theres no evidence for this.

Its in the link I posted.
basic capabilities like blacking out the exit wound in the right-rear of JFK’s head; painting a false exit wound on JFK’s head on the top and right side of his skull (both of these seem to have been accomplished through “aerial imaging”—that is, animation cells overlaid “in space” on top of the projected images of the frames being altered, using a customized optical printer with an animation stand, and a process camera to re-photograph each self-matting, altered frame); and removing exit debris frames, and even the car stop, through step-printing.

Cheerful Spring

patsman07 wrote: »

If you were organising a conspiracy surely you'd locate your patsy in the best shooting position, in this case the knoll.

I don't discount the possibility of a conspiracy given Oswald's extremely suspicious background and connections. However, the idea that the conspirators would have the reach to alter the zappruder film and access to Kennedy's body on Air Force One is ridiculous.

You can see in the Zappruder film that Kennedy doesn't have a wound in the back of his head as the car speeds off towards triple underpass.

Kennedy arrived at Bethesda in a silver coffin, before Jackie arrived. Everyone who was there swears to this fact. How it was done I guessing when LBJ was sworn in they made the switch out.

Cheerful Spring

Could this be Jack Ruby outside of the TSBD.

Took this image from the Hughes film, seems to be/ the right location.

patsman07

Did someone also alter the Muchmore film?

Why/how would someone remove a gaping hole in the back of JFK's head when almost everyone accepts that the autopsy at Bethesda was a farce?

If the autopsy was a part of the cover-up why would you need to alter the body? I doubt all of Kennedy's men went to Johnson's inauguration. Dave Powers& Kenny O'Donnell for example aren't visible in the picture of LBJ's swearing in but they were on the plane. Someone would have stayed with Kennedy's casket. Furthermore conspirators are hardly going to rely on the body been left alone one the plane.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Its in the link I posted.
basic capabilities like blacking out the exit wound in the right-rear of JFK’s head; painting a false exit wound on JFK’s head on the top and right side of his skull (both of these seem to have been accomplished through “aerial imaging”—that is, animation cells overlaid “in space” on top of the projected images of the frames being altered, using a customized optical printer with an animation stand, and a process camera to re-photograph each self-matting, altered frame); and removing exit debris frames, and even the car stop, through step-printing.

Yes so not possible to stand up to modern day digital analysis. A 1963 fake could not hold up to 2019 digital analysis.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Could this be Jack Ruby outside of the TSBD.

Took this image from the Hughes film, seems to be/ the right location.

Thats just a blurry photo showing nothing. Another waste of time post.

patsman07 wrote: »

Did someone also alter the Muchmore film?

No. Which authenticates the Zapruder and Nix movies.

patsman07 wrote: »

Why/how would someone remove a gaping hole in the back of JFK's head when almost everyone accepts that the autopsy at Bethesda was a farce?

If the autopsy was a part of the cover-up why would you need to alter the body? I doubt all of Kennedy's men went to Johnson's inauguration. Dave Powers& Kenny O'Donnell for example aren't visible in the picture of LBJ's swearing in but they were on the plane. Someone would have stayed with Kennedy's casket. Furthermore conspirators are hardly going to rely on the body been left alone one the plane.

Someone was with the casket at all times yes. Simultaneously altering the Zapruder and Nix movies and JFKs body in front of his aids and family when they don't really know which way to alter them is one of the more idiotic theories.

"They" would also have to be 100% certain that none of the other 80 odd people with cameras didn't capture the event, otherwise they would be guaranteed to expose a conspiracy. Hundreds of photographs and home movies taken that day form a consistent body of evidence.

But in times of desperation, people like Cheerful Spring who want everything to be a conspiracy are left with paltry crumbs like this. Look at his embarrassing posts yesterday for example. Genuine insight into the mind of a garden variety conspiracy "theorist".

I highlight "theorist" as he doesn't actually have any theories of his own. 4 or 5 posts yesterday wiped away the remaining shred of credibility he had regarding an opinion about this. I had to stop correcting him at one point. The only reason I do is he lies and spreads misinformation which someone could read and think its true. I was genuinely embarrassed for him yesterday.

Notice the removal of Oswald from conversation too.

Cheerful Spring

patsman07 wrote: »

Did someone also alter the Muchmore film?

Why/how would someone remove a gaping hole in the back of JFK's head when almost everyone accepts that the autopsy at Bethesda was a farce?

If the autopsy was a part of the cover-up why would you need to alter the body? I doubt all of Kennedy's men went to Johnson's inauguration. Dave Powers& Kenny O'Donnell for example aren't visible in the picture of LBJ's swearing in but they were on the plane. Someone would have stayed with Kennedy's casket. Furthermore conspirators are hardly going to rely on the body been left alone one the plane.

Yes. There reliable information Muchmore and Zapruder original camera film, was processed in Dallas and - ended up at the Hawkeye Kodak lab in New York. There the frames were altered, switched out and replaced. The Nix film was given to the FBI and was altered also.

The chain of custody reported for decades is wrong. We know from Dino Brugioni statement he received the real Zapruder film that very next day in Washington. It was altered late that weekend or during the start of the new week. Kennedy was shot and killed on Friday. They worked on it and then replaced the original with a replaced altered version.

Dino Brugioni the version he saw the real Zapruder film , did not have the big red blob at the side of the head. He said was a bigger white flesh and brain tissue and blood spray went to the left and above the head. We know this to be true because a police officer riding a motorcycle was splattered with brain and he was behind the car. He also said the wound was not low like it shown on altered Zapruder film and was higher. He also noted frames are missing.

You can actually see frames are missing in the Zapruder film that on Youtube. You don't have the frames of car driving pass the TSBD, the car jumps from the car turning and by magic appears coming down the street, like it teleported to get there.

One of the autopsy photos shows the back of the head and right portion of the head at the back to be still intact and not damaged. Dr Bosley drawing he did in 1996 he noted severe damage to the rear of the head, this very strange. The Autopsy photo does show this right rear damage. So why does his drawing not match with the autopsy photo.


The official story is a Carcano bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head, and broke apart, blew out the right side of the head. The altered Zapruder film does show a bullet impacting the back of the head neither does it show an exit wound. The back of head looks like it was shaded in to cover the exit wound. If there hole at right rear that evidence of a shot from the front, they try to hide that.

We have morgue documentation and eyewitnesses accounts that confirm Kennedy body arrived at the Morgue before Jackie arrived in the car with the brown casket. It the most confusing part of the story. Was there another autopsy done before the official one and wounds were altered before Jackie arrived. The chain of custody for the autopsy photos is also disputed, because the official autopsy photographers claim they are not the ones the took.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Notice the removal of Oswald from conversation too.

No we have difference of opinion about Oswald.

He had to be selected to work at CIA base of operations in Japan. That base was a highly sensitive base for carrying out operations against the Soviet Union. Oswald was clearly involved in intelligence gathering against the Soviet Union during his time in the army.

He ended up defecting to the Soviet Union, in my opinion this was intelligence operation. On his return the US state department pays him 400 dollars to help him, a red flag. 400 Dollars in early 60's was a lot of money.

His friends are not Marxist Russians., they are people with ties to the intelligence community. George de mohrenschildt relationship with Oswald is peculiar as well as George was a spy during WW2 and hated the Soviet Union. His family is connected to white Russians who fought the communists in 1917. George was known to an used asset of US intelligence. George was a handler for Oswald. Ruth Paine family also connected to US intelligence.

We Oswald got a job a Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval, who was doing work for the CIA and the Pentagon. Some loudmouth Marxist would be last person they would hire.

Then we know when Oswald was arrested, he tried to ring John Hurt in North Carolina. He was not a bank teller or lawyer, or bread maker, he was a intelligence officer for US intelligence.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yes. There reliable information Muchmore and Zapruder original camera film, was processed in Dallas and - ended up at the Hawkeye Kodak lab in New York. There the frames were altered, switched out and replaced. The Nix film was given to the FBI and was altered also.

Lies.

What reliable info do we have that the Muchmore film was altered? Sold, flown to New York, altered and shown on TV all within 24 hours?!

@patsman07 - So the answer is no. Emphatically no. It was not altered. There is no "reliable information" regarding this. Quite literally none.

I can't tell you the amount of outright lies Cheerful Spring has told in this thread. Have a look at the embarrassment of yesterdays posts for evidence.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You can actually see frames are missing in the Zapruder film that on Youtube. You don't have the frames of car driving pass the TSBD, the car jumps from the car turning and by magic appears coming down the street, like it teleported to get there.

lol. Nope. They are buttons called "pause" and "record".

Even Oliver Stone, a film maker, says the Zapruder film is authentic.

Its a real sign of someone really wanting it to be a conspiracy clutching at straws. Simply impossible.

Re: Oswald, youre ignoring him owning the gun, his prints, clothes fibres and blanket fibres they found in the garage being found on the gun, him being seen in the window by Howard Brennan, workers below hearing shell casings hitting the floor and three shots fired from right above them, skipping out of the building, making a hasty escape, leaving all his money and wedding ring with Marina, owning the handgun that shot Tippet, eye witnesses who saw him shoot Tippet, not one bit of any other bullet other than that from Oswalds rifle were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims and is allowed to run about Dallas like a headless chicken until arrested by the police.

You'd think that a plot that can magically swap out coffins with the presidents body in it rom under the secret service and JFKs aids nose, alter film decades before the tech was available and co-ordinate hundreds if not thousands of people to immediately cover this up, wouldn't be able to have Oswald killed within seconds of him shooting JFK, negating a need for a "known mob hitman" Ruby to clumsily shooting him in the stomach, giving him a 90% chance of survival, after hes been in custody for 48 hours having already possibly told the cops everything.

As for him being on an "intelligence operation" in Russia, sure. 2 1/2 years working 500 miles away from Moscow in a radio parts factory in Minsk under the careful watch of the KGB.

Common sense sometimes wins.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Lies.

What reliable info do we have that the Muchmore film was altered? Sold, flown to New York, altered and shown on TV all within 24 hours?!

Sure.



lol. Nope. They are buttons called "pause" and "record".

Even Oliver Stone, a film maker, says the Zapruder film is authentic.

Its a real sign of someone really wanting it to be a conspiracy clutching at straws. Simply impossible.

Its her own bio
Muchmore sold the undeveloped film to the Dallas office of United Press International on November 25, 1963, for $1,000. I[B]t was processed by Kodak in Dallas, and flown to New York City[/B]

It end up at Hawkeye plant in New York.. Only basic work had to be done to alter the Muchmore video. Just the back portion of the head, simple shading, can be done in a few hours with the right expertise.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Its her own bio
Muchmore sold the undeveloped film to the Dallas office of United Press International on November 25, 1963, for $1,000. I[B]t was processed by Kodak in Dallas, and flown to New York City[/B]

It end up at Hawkeye plant in New York.. Only basic work had to be done to alter the Muchmore video. Just the back portion of the head, simple shading, can be done in a few hours with the right expertise.

Not to stand up to 2019 digital analysis.

Where is the "reliable information" that it was altered?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Re: Oswald, youre ignoring him owning the gun, his prints, clothes fibres and blanket fibres they found in the garage being found on the gun, him being seen in the window by Howard Brennan, workers below hearing shell casings hitting the floor and three shots fired from right above them, skipping out of the building, making a hasty escape, leaving all his money and wedding ring with Marina, owning the handgun that shot Tippet, eye witnesses who saw him shoot Tippet, not one bit of any other bullet other than that from Oswalds rifle were discovered anywhere in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the TSBD, Parkland Hospital, or in the victims and is allowed to run about Dallas like a headless chicken until arrested by the police.

You'd think that a plot that can magically swap out coffins with the presidents body in it rom under the secret service and JFKs aids nose, alter film decades before the tech was available and co-ordinate hundreds if not thousands of people to immediately cover this up, wouldn't be able to have Oswald killed within seconds of him shooting JFK, negating a need for a "known mob hitman" Ruby to clumsily shooting him in the stomach, giving him a 90% chance of survival, after hes been in custody for 48 hours having already possibly told the cops everything.

Common sense sometimes wins.

Everything you wrote can can easily be explained if Oswald was framed for this crime or was involved with the people who killed Kennedy.

End of the day, the magic bullet shot is impossible. You can not make that shot. Even the HSCA and Warren commission could not do it. The numerous eyewitnesses, doctors, nurses, x ray techs, hospital staff, secret service FBI men who saw a head wound at right rear can't all be wrong.. Why do these people not agree with you?

Could Oswald have shot at Kennedy with a rifle sure he could of, why not, i am open to it. I don't agree he was only one firing a gun that day.

Jack Ruby a mobster who happens to be Carlos Marcello man in Dallas kills Oswald. Come on now, clearly something fishy there.

Officer Tippet murder also doesn't seem to add up. The timelines and bullet evidence is suspect.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Everything you wrote can can easily be explained if Oswald was framed for this crime or was involved with the people who killed Kennedy.

Or if it was just him on his own. Theres no credible evidence to suggest otherwise.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Jack Ruby a mobster who happens to be Carlos Marcello man in Dallas

Evidence for this please?

Note - not evidence Ruby knew mob figures. Which he did. Evidence that he was "Marcellos man in Dallas". ie that he was running the New Orleans Mafia operation in Dallas, which is what "Marcellos man in Dallas" implies.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Or if it was just him on his own. Theres no credible evidence to suggest otherwise.



Evidence for this please?

Note - not evidence Ruby knew mob figures. Which he did. Evidence that he was "Marcellos man in Dallas". ie that he was running the New Orleans Mafia operation in Dallas, which is what "Marcellos man in Dallas" implies.

You say that but ignore Ruby phoned the Dallas police station, the night before, and said he was a member of a commission hired to kill Oswald and advice was to provide better protection. Are you claiming this police officer lied too?

You don't understand organised crime. You think Ruby could operate on his own and had no boss to report to? These links are established. We know from informants Marcello told them Ruby was send there to take out Oswald to clear a debt.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You don't understand organised crime.

Lol, are you now an expert in organised crime along with science, history, engineering, math....?:rolleyes:

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You say that but ignore Ruby phoned the Dallas police station, the night before, and said he was a member of a commission hired to kill Oswald and advice was to provide better protection. Are you claiming this police officer lied too?

You mean Officer Grammer?

Billy “It sounded like Jack Ruby but I don't know" Grammer?

So Ruby was on a life or death mission to kill Oswald but the night before called the police to tell them to beef up their security? lol. WTF?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You don't understand organised crime. You think Ruby could operate on his own and had no boss to report to? These links are established.

What are they? Evidence please.

Before you copy and paste his phone records, remember that these have already been thoroughly investigated and debunked.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

We know from informants Marcello told them Ruby was send there to take out Oswald to clear a debt.

Evidence please. Not baseless opinion, proper evidence.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Lol, are you now an expert in organised crime along with science, history, engineering, math....?:rolleyes:

Yep
Jack Ruby, had concrete connections to the Marcello crime family, according to a 1979 report by House assassination investigators. The report found that:

Ruby was a friend and business associate of Joseph Civello, Marcello's top deputy in Dallas. Ruby was also very close to Joe Campisi – considered to be the No. 2 man in the Dallas Mafia hierarchy. Campisi was on such good terms with Marcello that he sent the Marcello family 260 pounds of homemade sausage every Christmas.

Joe Campisi – the owner of Dallas's Egyptian Lounge – said he dined with Ruby at the lounge the evening before Kennedy was murdered. Campisi also admitted that he visited Ruby in the Dallas County Jail six days after Ruby murdered Oswald.

Ruby met with four New Orleans nightclub operators and Marcello associates in June and October 1963. And Ruby made a telephone call on Oct. 30, 1963 to the New Orleans office of Marcello gang member Nofio Pecora, whose associate, Emile Bruneau, had bailed Lee Harvey Oswald out of jail that summer.

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yep

Well given your track record in math...:rolleyes:

Also, it's very obvious when you are plagiarising from other conspiracy sites as your grammar and writing style drastically improves in odd places.

The Nal

King Mob wrote: »

Lol, are you now an expert in organised crime along with science, history, engineering, math....?:rolleyes:

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yep

hahaha

This is fantastic. At this rate he'll embarrass himself more than his posts yesterday.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yep
Jack Ruby, had concrete connections to the Marcello crime family, according to a 1979 report by House assassination investigators. The report found that:

Ruby was a friend and business associate of Joseph Civello, Marcello's top deputy in Dallas. Ruby was also very close to Joe Campisi – considered to be the No. 2 man in the Dallas Mafia hierarchy. Campisi was on such good terms with Marcello that he sent the Marcello family 260 pounds of homemade sausage every Christmas.

Joe Campisi – the owner of Dallas's Egyptian Lounge – said he dined with Ruby at the lounge the evening before Kennedy was murdered. Campisi also admitted that he visited Ruby in the Dallas County Jail six days after Ruby murdered Oswald.

Ruby met with four New Orleans nightclub operators and Marcello associates in June and October 1963. And Ruby made a telephone call on Oct. 30, 1963 to the New Orleans office of Marcello gang member Nofio Pecora, whose associate, Emile Bruneau, had bailed Lee Harvey Oswald out of jail that summer.

As I said, the links with Ruby and the mob are well known. And Ill do you one better. The reason Emile Bruneau bailed Oswald out of prison was because he was business partner with Oswalds cousin Eugene Murret, who asked him to do that.

Doesn't make Ruby "Marcellos man in Dallas" though. He knew some mob guys, had drinks with them sometimes (as he did with the police) but was always a hanger-on. If he was truly a mob guy, he wouldn't have spent a few days desperately ringing around everyone he knew trying to resolve a minor union issue.

Read Blakeys books. Good researcher but all smoke and he admits himself that he cant prove anything.

So anyway, how many people are in on this plot now? A few thousand? LBJ, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Dallas Police, the Mafia, Cuban embassy, Russian embassy, teamsters, doctors, photographers, unknown amount of witnesses, Kodak, some random French guy, Western Union....

Still waiting on "the reliable information" that the Muchmore film was altered? Because if you don't have that, the Zapruder film is real, as is the Nix movie and the Moorman photo meaning the single bullet is real, as is the headshot and the fact theres no one behind the fence.

Also waiting on the evidence that Ruby killed Oswald to clear a debt.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Still waiting on "the reliable information" that the Muchmore film was altered? Because if you don't have that, the Zapruder film is real, as is the Nix movie and the Moorman photo meaning the single bullet is real, as is the headshot and the fact theres no one behind the fence.

I already provided evidence, how it was done.

I found some weird out of place errors in the photos and images.

I searched to see if this was film reconstruction of the shooting. It turns out no.it was photo taken that day by Charles Bronson.

Note the Umbrella man standing position and man ahead of him his standing position. His in front of the sign here. Note the number of people standing to the right of the Umbrella man!





Zapruder film, the man in front of Umbrella man is now further to the right of him.




Now really gets weird and twilight zone. This photo taken by Hugh Bezner shows extra people standing next to the Umbrella man They are lined up in front of the Stemmsons street sign. Hugh Bezner was also the photographer who captured the two men behind the wall. The Wilis photo also shows extra people in front of the Stemmson sign.



You can see the Umbrella man in this and looks like his in standing behind the sign or just slightly in front of the sign. Who are those people though they are not in the Bronson photo?

Cheerful Spring

They only think that make sense to me is the sign was relocated in the Zapruder film. The man in the road was clearly standing in front of the sign or just slightly to the right of it. Why is the waving man now located at the back of the sign to the left?

The other images show oddities, but could be something to do with angle of shot and people look closer together?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The other images show oddities, but could be something to do with angle of shot and people look closer together?

The Nal

"Did the Mob kill JFK" on Discovery History tonight at 10pm.

King Mob

The Nal wrote: »

Father Ted

Not the first time that's been posted at him.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Wilis photo also shows extra people in front of the Stemmson sign.

This is the sort of banter I love.

So the Zapruder film was faked to remove proof of a shot from the front. Yet Philip Willis was in Kodak in Dallas getting his photos developed at the same time as Abraham Zapruder, yet "they" altered the Zapruder film but left "Black Dog Man" in the Willis photo and sent him on his way!

Also worth noting that 20 odd people viewed the Zapruder film in Kodaks office before it went anywhere.

Absolute gold.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

This is the sort of banter I love.

So the Zapruder film was faked to remove proof of a shot from the front. Yet Philip Willis was in Kodak in Dallas getting his photos developed at the same time as Abraham Zapruder, yet "they" altered the Zapruder film but left "Black Dog Man" in the Willis photo and sent him on his way!

Also worth noting that 20 odd people viewed the Zapruder film in Kodaks office before it went anywhere.

Absolute gold.

Objects are set at a fixed point they should not move or expand or change shape. The sign is expanding with the pan of the camera. Where the motion blur in the Zapruder film?. The car and other objects in the scene are not blurring when the car emerges from the front of the sign. The sign clearly not in the right position. It does not align correctly. You can see from the first picture I posted the position of the sign to the road and its angle. The waving man is also in the wrong area, he should be positioned closer to the curvature of the sign.

No, the sign was placed in a different position so we could not see when Kennedy was hit in the back and throat.

You claimed Zapruder stopped filming when the car turned to head down Elm Street. Yet you provide no evidence for this claim. Or could it Zapruder recorded something happening during the turn near the TSBD and this was removed from the film?

Yep, Zapruder business Edward Schwartz also described details not seen in the Zapruder film. He saw blood and brain tissue flying off to the left side. Do you claim 20 people, then post their descriptions of the headshot then?

By the way, if you believe 225 and 226 was the time of the magic bullet shot. Why was Kennedy hit in the head at frame 313?

90 frames at roughly 18 frames a second. Is close to 5 seconds. Why the delay between shots?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Not the first time that's been posted at him.

Was it the time you guys claimed a man with no legs and arms was standing in a yellow liquid? Or was it the stickman between columns?

King Mob

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Was it the time you guys claimed a man with no legs and arms was standing in a yellow liquid?

That was the one.
The one where you claimed there was a giant mirror because you embarrassed yourself and got desperate and literally everyone realised what a joke you are.
Yup.

Either you don't understand perspective, which is likely.
Or you live in your own reality and literally see things that aren't real and decide that anyone who doesn't agree is part of the conspiracy. Which is a mental illness and also likely.