JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

So you now claiming the top frontal portion of the skull was missing? I thought you said the exit wound was at the right side?

It is the right side, you can see it more clearly when hes leaning, as per Z326.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Your second picture. Do you not notice this blob in front of the right ear.

Thats a piece of his skull, flapping forward and down.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The wound is extending down Kennedy's face.

Thats his brain, skull and scalp and its called "gravity".

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

use my diagram to help you?

No thanks.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

It is the right side, you can see it more clearly when hes leaning, as per Z326.



Thats a piece of his skull, flapping forward and down.



Thats his brain, skull and scalp and its called "gravity".



No thanks.

It's an animation a drawing of a fake wound. There was no exit of a bullet in front of the right ear.

Dr Humes who you believe to be telling the truth said this.

The large and irregularly-shaped wound in the right side of the head (chiefly to the parietal bone, but also involving the temporal and occipital bone) is described as being about 13 centimetres (5.1 in) wide at the largest diameter

In front of the right ear, you find the frontal lobe and Temporal lobe.

The Nal

So they drew in Jackies shoulder? Wheres the rest of his head?

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

So they drew in Jackies shoulder? Wheres the rest of his head?

There nothing wrong with frame 335. The top of the head is fine.

The green shape of his head, blue is his right ear.

Cheerful Spring

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Their letter calls for a Truth and Reconciliation Committee on the JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcolm X slayings. ... The statement was issued Saturday, during the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend. ... “The one thing you can say,” Robert Kennedy Jr. said in a recent interview ...

More info here
On the occasion of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a group of over 60 prominent American citizens is calling upon Congress to reopen the investigations into the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Signers of the joint statement include Isaac Newton Farris Jr., nephew of Reverend King and past president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference; Reverend James M. Lawson Jr., a close collaborator of Reverend King; and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, children of the late senator. The declaration is also signed by numerous historians, journalists, lawyers and other experts on the four major assassinations. I am the only non-American who has been asked to sign this statement.

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKstatement.htm

This should happen. CIA and FBI are getting in the way of finding out the truth.

9. The CIA continues to obstruct evidence about the JFK assassination, routinely blocking legitimate Freedom of Information requests and defying the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992, preventing the release of thousands of government documents as required by the law.

Cheerful Spring

A Joint Statement on the Kennedy, King and Malcolm X Assassinations and Ongoing Cover-ups:

1. As the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded in 1979, President John F. Kennedy was probably killed as the result of a conspiracy.

2. In the four decades since this Congressional finding, a massive amount of evidence compiled by journalists, historians and independent researchers confirms this conclusion. This growing body of evidence strongly indicates that the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy was organized at high levels of the U.S. power structure, and was implemented by top elements of the U.S. national security apparatus using, among others, figures in the criminal underworld to help carry out the crime and cover-up.

3. This stunning conclusion was also reached by the president's own brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who himself was assassinated in 1968 while running for president - after telling close aides that he intended to reopen the investigation into his brother's murder if he won the election.

4. President Kennedy's administration was badly fractured over his efforts to end the Cold War, including his back-channel peace feelers to the Soviet Union and Cuba and his plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Vietnam after the 1964 presidential election.

5. President Kennedy has long been portrayed as a Cold War hawk, but this grossly inaccurate view has been strongly challenged over the years by revisionist historians and researchers, who have demonstrated that Kennedy was frequently at odds with his own generals and espionage officials. This revisionist interpretation of the Kennedy presidency is now widely embraced, even by mainstream Kennedy biographers.

6. The official investigation into the JFK assassination immediately fell under the control of U.S. security agencies, ensuring a cover-up. The Warren Commission was dominated by former CIA director Allen Dulles and other officials with strong ties to the CIA and FBI.

7. The corporate media, with its own myriad connections to the national security establishment, aided the cover-up with its rush to embrace the Warren Report and to scorn any journalists or researchers who raised questions about the official story.

8. Despite the massive cover-up of the JFK assassination, polls have consistently shown that a majority of the American people believes Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy -- leading to the deep erosion of confidence in the U.S. government and media.

9. The CIA continues to obstruct evidence about the JFK assassination, routinely blocking legitimate Freedom of Information requests and defying the JFK Records Collection Act of 1992, preventing the release of thousands of government documents as required by the law.

10. The JFK assassination was just one of four major political murders that traumatized American life in the 1960s and have cast a shadow over the country for decades thereafter. John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were each in his own unique way attempting to turn the United States away from war toward disarmament and peace, away from domestic violence and division toward civil amity and justice. Their killings were together a savage, concerted assault on American democracy and the tragic consequences of these assassinations still haunt our nation.

The Nal

So (again) no actual evidence (literally zero) which would shed any new light on any of the 3 assassinations.

I love the "HSCA concluded there was probably a conspiracy" line being trotted out again. 40 years after their acoustic evidence was completely debunked.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

So (again) no actual evidence (literally zero) which would shed any new light on any of the 3 assassinations.

I love the "HSCA concluded there was probably a conspiracy" line being trotted out again. 40 years after their acoustic evidence was completely debunked.

You are a naive person and have a believe the CIA and FBI did not destroy evidence and have not kept new evidence from coming out to the public. Its like the JFK files release never happened for people like you?.

What took place in 2017, cemented my opinion the cover-up is real. The CIA and FBI even said these files had to redacted, with blank pages and black pages due to national security concerns. The media even said they did it because to release them in full would do harm to the United States standing around the world. Of course, it was a coup and would change history.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You are a naive person and have a believe the CIA and FBI did not destroy evidence and have not kept new evidence from coming out to the public. Its like the JFK files release never happened for people like you?.

What took place in 2017, cemented my opinion the cover-up is real. The CIA and FBI even said these files had to redacted, with blank pages and black pages due to national security concerns. The media even said they did it because to release them in full would do harm to the United States standing around the world. Of course, it was a coup and would change history.

A lot of it is down to personal names, plots to overthrow Castro, dodgy CIA activities, informants names and activities etc. Theres no proof it was a coup. ****e that all the files havent come out of course. No question. And it will only add to conspiracy theories.

Its a complete cock up. Some of the 2017 redacted files werent redacted when they came out originally.

DublinWriter

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Pathologist James C. Jenkins was one of four doctors who did an autopsy on JFK body after it got moved to Bethesda Naval Hospital.

Wind it back right there. Jenkins wasn't a pathologist or doctor. He was a Navy Corpsman, basically a Medic, who was on duty at the time and who assisted the Navy doctors (who in turn, were not qualified in forensic autopsy techniques and trauma wounds).

This is the basic problem with most CTs. You don't have an open mind and will shoe-horn any little fact to fit your theory aposteri.

The whole dog-and-pony show really goes of the tracks when the interviewer brings him to Dealy Plaza to offer his opinions on where the shots came from. He was never a Doctor nor a ballistics expert.

I don't buy the official explanations, but this is the kind of sh*t that really muddies the waters for any serious researcher and searcher of truth.

As Doug Horne said, if you really want to know the truth about JFK, get out of Dealy plaza and all the parlour games about where the shooters were and look and the bigger game that was afoot at the time.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

A lot of it is down to personal names, plots to overthrow Castro, dodgy CIA activities, informants names and activities etc. Theres no proof it was a coup. ****e that all the files havent come out of course. No question. And it will only add to conspiracy theories.

Its a complete cock up. Some of the 2017 redacted files werent redacted when they came out originally.

The law was all the files had to be released in full for transparency purposes. On the eve of the release, the CIA and FBI told Trump that can't happen you have to delay the release.

The files we got in slow releases after was just fluff and not useful. I even saw files 100 pages long all blank. Anything with info that could be interesting is blackened out.

You don't need to redact page after page to hide names and addresses. This is a 60-year-old event. It clear as day these records did indeed have info that would help us learn more about the event, but the CIA and FBI did want us to have that.

I not buying the lone assassin bull**** when CIA and FBI have been actively trying to hide info from the public.

Cheerful Spring

DublinWriter wrote: »

As Doug Horne said, if you really want to know the truth about JFK, get out of Dealy plaza and all the parlour games about where the shooters were and look and the bigger game that was afoot at the time.

Care to expand on this?

The Nal

DublinWriter wrote: »

Wind it back right there. Jenkins wasn't a pathologist or doctor. He was a Navy Corpsman, basically a Medic, who was on duty at the time and who assisted the Navy doctors (who in turn, were not qualified in forensic autopsy techniques and trauma wounds).

I don't buy the official explanations, but this is the kind of sh*t that really muddies the waters for any serious researcher and searcher of truth.
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The entire thread is full of lies and inaccuracies like this from that poster. A 21 year old student corpsman is now a "pathologist", which takes 11 years to qualify as. :rolleyes:

Regarding getting out of Dealey Plaza, lets not forget Oswald. CTs love forgetting Oswald.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

The entire thread is full of lies and inaccuracies like this from that poster. A 21 year old student corpsman is now a "pathologist", which takes 11 years to qualify as. :rolleyes:

Regarding getting out of Dealey Plaza, lets not forget Oswald. CTs love forgetting Oswald.

False. I did talk about Oswald. Evidence was ignored. You prefer to believe you know more than everyone else because you read some Gerald Posner book.

He is a qualified Pathologist. At the time yes he was a corpsman studying for a P.hd in Pathology. It does not change anything about what he saw and Witnessed.

Nal believes he knows more than the Doctors, nurses, x-ray techs, FBI and Secret service agents, morgue techS, autopsy photographers and everyone else who there who disputes the official version of events. They are all involved in a conspiracy to lie about events., that took place.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

False. I did talk about Oswald. Evidence was ignored. You prefer to believe you know more than everyone else because you read some Gerald Posner book.

Which you haven't even bothered reading. And Marina and Lee which you haven't bothered reading. And Assignment Oswald by James Hosty, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, Crossfire, Rush to Judgment, Six Seconds in Dallas, The Kennedy Assassination by David Southwell, The Road to Dallas, Reclaiming History (all of it) to name a few and thousands of hours of online reading. And almost every documentary ever made about the assassination.

Lots of essential stuff in there but you won't read or watch any of them as they don't fit your confirmation bias yet you post anyway. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He is a qualified Pathologist. At the time yes he was a corpsman studying for a P.hd in Pathology. It does not change anything about what he saw and Witnessed.

lol. He wasn't a pathologist the time. You implied/lied that he was. Classic garden variety conspiracy theorists stuff. What he qualified in after is totally irrelevant.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nal believes he knows more than the Doctors, nurses, x-ray techs, FBI and Secret service agents, morgue techS, autopsy photographers and everyone else who there who disputes the official version of events. They are all involved in a conspiracy to lie about events., that took place.

Shall we go through their conflicting opinions again? Shall we revisit their testimonies? We've already done this quote mining exercise. As below.

Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever had any formal training in ballistics or in exit wounds or entrance wounds--bullet wounds?
Dr. JENKINS - No, I have not.

Mr. SPECTER - Was President Kennedy ever turned over during the course of this treatment at Parkland?
Dr. JENKINS - No

And the Secret Service. Heres Clint Hill: "And finally by 1990 I was able to go back to Dallas and walk the streets of Dealey Plaza up into the Texas School Book Depository and look up at the sixth floor window where Oswald shot from."

So the closest Secret Service agent to JFK at the time thinks it was Oswald.

Shall we revisit your hilariously transparent omissions and lies that eroded the last morsel of credibility you had a poster and made you a total laughing stock?

Your blatant lies are now being called out by others who are new posters to the thread. Why not just stick to the facts?

Dohnjoe

The Nal wrote: »

Which you haven't even bothered reading. And Marina and Lee which you haven't bothered reading. And Assignment Oswald by James Hosty, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, Crossfire, Rush to Judgment, Six Seconds in Dallas, The Kennedy Assassination by David Southwell, The Road to Dallas, Reclaiming History (all of it) to name a few and thousands of hours of online reading. And almost every documentary ever made about the assassination.

You are dealing with a poster who demonstrates over and over that they have no understanding of expertise or knowledge. For example they believe they "know more" than the combined knowledge and consensus of German (and world) historians on the Holocaust. A lot of psychology articles on this, most of them include references to conspiracy theorists and people with extreme beliefs

The Nal

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are dealing with a poster who demonstrates over and over that they have no understanding of expertise or knowledge. For example they believe they "know more" than the combined knowledge and consensus of German (and world) historians on the Holocaust. A lot of psychology articles on this, most of them include references to conspiracy theorists and people with extreme beliefs

And in all cases, JFK, 9/11, holocaust etc, theres so much info and fact available and to study yet they feel the need to omit, lead, presume, imply and outright lie.

"We know for sure", "likely", "its obvious" and so on. Muddies the water so much. Its what the alt/new right do. Toss out a load of factoids and quotes, hope that a few stick and then go running when asked questions.

Crossfire by Jim Marrs for example. First book I ever read on that topic. Took most of it to be true as it was a published book by a long time researcher! He takes the "every conspiracy theory is true and every piece of evidence saying otherwise is false" approach. But having read it again recently, its littered with lies and assumptions that are easily disproved.

So instead of people spending time investigating and forming opinion, people spend their time refuting lies by conspiracy nutters.

Ipso

Sorry if this is off topic, but the internet and conpsiracy theories sprung to mind when thinking of folklore and oral tradition.
If lies and exagerrated nonsense can be spread in a matter of hours these days and considered fact, what must have happened years ago with stories being handed down over generations.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Which you haven't even bothered reading. And Marina and Lee which you haven't bothered reading. And Assignment Oswald by James Hosty, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, Crossfire, Rush to Judgment, Six Seconds in Dallas, The Kennedy Assassination by David Southwell, The Road to Dallas, Reclaiming History (all of it) to name a few and thousands of hours of online reading. And almost every documentary ever made about the assassination.

Lots of essential stuff in there but you won't read or watch any of them as they don't fit your confirmation bias yet you post anyway. Ignorance is bliss I guess.



lol. He wasn't a pathologist the time. You implied/lied that he was. Classic garden variety conspiracy theorists stuff. What he qualified in after is totally irrelevant.



Shall we go through their conflicting opinions again? Shall we revisit their testimonies? We've already done this quote mining exercise. As below.

Mr. SPECTER - Have you ever had any formal training in ballistics or in exit wounds or entrance wounds--bullet wounds?
Dr. JENKINS - No, I have not.

Mr. SPECTER - Was President Kennedy ever turned over during the course of this treatment at Parkland?
Dr. JENKINS - No

And the Secret Service. Heres Clint Hill: "And finally by 1990 I was able to go back to Dallas and walk the streets of Dealey Plaza up into the Texas School Book Depository and look up at the sixth floor window where Oswald shot from."

So the closest Secret Service agent to JFK at the time thinks it was Oswald.

Shall we revisit your hilariously transparent omissions and lies that eroded the last morsel of credibility you had a poster and made you a total laughing stock?

Your blatant lies are now being called out by others who are new posters to the thread. Why not just stick to the facts?

I know the story being told by them, authors. I have read the official accounts about Oswald life and have watched videos opinion was Oswald did the shooting alone. Will i find something that will truly that will change my mind?

If the books don't discuss the weird aspects of Oswald life, then why bother reading them? Do any of these books discuss the conspiracy about Oswald life, are honest counter-arguments provided? Pick the best one for me to read.

I thought he was because the video said Patrick Bet-David talks with Pathologist James C. Jenkins, the remaining key witness who was asked to assist Joseph Humes, Thornton Boswell and Pierre Finck in the autopsy of Kennedy.

It not like he was not there and he made the story up. He was an eyewitness

That M. T. Jenkins testimony a doctor at Parkland. Mistakes happen. I don't claim you trying attempt to deceive me!

Post what Clint Hill said about the head wound? or better yet listen (video below) and observe and look where he claims the head wound was. Does it not seem strange to you he too saw a hole at the back of the head? Has anyone brought this up to Clint Hill if there a hole in back of the head then Oswald was not the shooter?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I know the story being told by them, authors. I have read the official accounts about Oswald life and have watched videos opinion was Oswald did the shooting alone. Will i find something that will truly that will change my mind?

If the books don't discuss the weird aspects of Oswald life, then why bother reading them? Do any of these books discuss the conspiracy about Oswald life, are honest counter-arguments provided? Pick the best one for me to read.

Translation: if the actual information doesn't lead to a conspiracy I'm not interested in it

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Translation: if the actual information doesn't lead to a conspiracy I'm not interested in it

Nal claims Clint Hill said Oswald did the shooting. If that true, why does he place his hand at the back of the head and said he saw a hole there.

That, in fact, proves the conspiracy. Oswald could not be a shooter if there was a massive opening at the back of the head.

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nal claims Clint Hill said Oswald did the shooting. If that true, why does he place his hand at the back of the head and said he saw a hole there.

That, in fact, proves the conspiracy. Oswald could not be a shooter if there was a massive opening at the back of the head.

Proves which conspiracy?

The one you are struggling to make up in this thread, that one? or another one?

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Proves which conspiracy?

The one you are struggling to make up in this thread, that one? or another one?

I providing solid proof that there was an exit wound at the back of the head. You can claim I making stuff up, but the reality I not.

I have provided video and photographs of the Parkland Doctors and Nurses, FBI agents and Security service who were there placing their hand in the location they saw the head wound.

Where they place their hand is at the back of the head, the backside of the right ear.

The Zapruder film the head wound is in the front of the right ear near the forehead. You have to be an idiot or a fool to not see the problem.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I providing solid proof that there was an exit wound at the back of the head. You can claim I making stuff up, but the reality I not.

I have provided video and photographs of the Parkland Doctors and Nurses, FBI agents and Security service who were there placing their hand in the location they saw the head wound.

Where they place their hand is at the back of the head, the backside of the right ear.

The Zapruder film the head wound is in the front of the right ear near the forehead. You have to be an idiot or a fool to not see the problem.

You'd have to be an idiot or a fool to only focus on the people who suit your agenda. Why not look at all the evidence.

Eye witnesses then. Bill and Gayle Newman. Stood a few feet from JFK at the time of the headshot.




How about Abraham Zapruder?



Marlyn Sitzman? "could see his brains come out, you know, his head opening, it exploded his head, more or less..... Between the eye and the ear."

Ed Hoffman?



And so on. I am providing solid proof that there was an exit wound at the side of the head which matches the wounds on the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore movies.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If the books don't discuss the weird aspects of Oswald life, then why bother reading them? Do any of these books discuss the conspiracy about Oswald life, are honest counter-arguments provided? Pick the best one for me to read.

Yes. Crossfire, Six Seconds in Dallas, Rush to Judgement and David Southwells book are the most pro conspiracy books you'll ever read. Although like most conspiracy books they ignore huge parts of Oswalds life as the more you learn about him the more he comes into focus and a conspiracy goes out of focus. You don't seem to have the attention span for books though. Theres actual facts in them which wouldn't suit your world view.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

You'd have to be an idiot or a fool to only focus on the people who suit your agenda. Why not look at all the evidence.

Eye witnesses then. Bill and Gayle Newman. Stood a few feet from JFK at the time of the headshot.




How about Abraham Zapruder?



Marlyn Sitzman? "could see his brains come out, you know, his head opening, it exploded his head, more or less..... Between the eye and the ear."

Ed Hoffman?



And so on. I am providing solid proof that there was an exit wound at the side of the head which matches the wounds on the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore movies.



Yes. Crossfire, Six Seconds in Dallas, Rush to Judgement and David Southwells book are the most pro conspiracy books you'll ever read. Although like most conspiracy books they ignore huge parts of Oswalds life as the more you learn about him the more he comes into focus and a conspiracy goes out of focus. You don't seem to have the attention span for books though. Theres actual facts in them which wouldn't suit your world view.

Zapruder impression of the head wound is the only one there that matches the film.

How does the cerebellum part of the brain fall out of that side? Dr McCelland said a piece of Cerebellum fell out of the hole at the back of the head. Why would a Doctor say this if never happened?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Zapruder impression of the head wound is the only one there that matches the film.

How does the cerebellum part of the brain fall out of that side? Dr McCelland said a piece of Cerebellum fell out of the hole at the back of the head. Why would a Doctor say this if never happened?

Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that....It shows such poor judgment"

Mr. SPECTER. Then, at any time was he positioned in a way where you could have seen the back of his body?
Dr. McCLELLAND. No.

What about what Dr McCelland said to the Rotary Club in 2013?

"He was in terrible shape, the right side of his brain had been blown out"

Why would he say that if it never happened?

You can continue to quote mine if you like.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that....It shows such poor judgment"

Mr. SPECTER. Then, at any time was he positioned in a way where you could have seen the back of his body?
Dr. McCLELLAND. No.

What about what Dr McCelland said to the Rotary Club in 2013?

"He was in terrible shape, the right side of his brain had been blown out"

Why would he say that if it never happened?

You can continue to quote mine if you like.

Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that....It shows such poor judgment"

Evidence please, some context to this quote. Is there video evidence of this quote by Dr Perry.

Dr Perry believed the head wound was located on the “occipital parietal” (sic) region of the skull and that the right posterior aspect of the skull was missing…” (HSCA- V7:292-293

So the head wound was in the location Dr McCellend stated it was.

What the back of his body got to do with anything. We talking about a head wound that can be seen.

Cheerful Spring

Are they all suffering from memory loss? What do the place their hand at the back of the head?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that....It shows such poor judgment"

Evidence please, some context to this quote. Is there video evidence of this quote by Dr Perry.

Page 311 of Case Closed

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Dr Perry believed the head wound was located on the “occipital parietal” (sic) region of the skull and that the right posterior aspect of the skull was missing…” (HSCA- V7:292-293

So the head wound was in the location Dr McCellend stated it was.

But McClellend said only 5 years ago that the wound was at the side of the head.

Explain that. Do you agree with him?

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What the back of his body got to do with anything. We talking about a head wound that can be seen.

Can't be seen that well when hes lying on his back with the back of his head on the stretcher.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Page 311 of Case Closed



But McClellend said only 5 years ago that the wound was at the side of the head.

Explain that. Do you agree with him?



Can't be seen that well when hes lying on his back with the back of his head on the stretcher.

Gerald Posner said it in his book? So there no evidence besides what he wrote in his book.

Rubbish McClelland has always stated the wound was at the back of the head. The documentaries you even posted on here from NOVA are from the 1970s or 1980s and he still placed his hand back of the head.

JFK the head is going to be on a pillow or placed on some rest sit on a table for an operation to take place. You telling me you would not see a hole at the rear at the back of the head. Only the very back of the head near the neckline would be hard to see.