JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

The Nal

Too. Much. Waffle.

One thing - The "group of individuals dressed in business attire who are tampering with evidence and placing items in their pockets without reporting any findings" are known. Yet another group of people you claim were unknown. You're either trying to get away with lies again or just plain wrong.

The man in the black suit is Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers. The Police Officer is JW Foster.

The photos are well known and were taken by Jim Murray about 10 minutes after the shooting. Murray took loads of photos that day.

Here they are having a smoke.

Good to know the were picking up random bullets in full view of random photographers though. Must add the photographer to the list of conspirators too.

FYI anyone else. This is just rehashed waffle from a Jim Garrison blog Cheeerful has clearly just stumbled upon. Of all the theories, the most widely discredited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Clay_Shaw

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521277#Comment_121521277

Ignoring the picture I showed you, has the man been identified?

Until you provide a name for the person who was putting stuff in his pocket, I stand by my previous comment. Gov. Connally's shoulder wound strongly suggests that there was another shooter positioned at the rear of the presidential motorcade. Why Should Anyone Believe the Waffle You Debunkers Talk About When You Lie About the Connally Right Shoulder Wound in Books, on Blogs, and Online?

Clay Shaw, a notorious figure in American history, lied on the witness stand and committed perjury.  He testified that he had had no association with the CIA or any intelligence agency. 

The case of Clay Shaw serves as a reminder of the fallibility of the legal system and the importance of ensuring that justice is served. It actually came to light several years after the Garrison trial that Shaw was a highly paid-CIA asset.

Nal will never address any fault with his theories, even though the judge in the trial labeled Shaw as a con man who lied during the trial and fooled the jury. Garrison, on the other hand, is an American hero for exposing these people.

Taken from your link.

In a 1992 interview, Edward Haggerty, who was the judge at the Clay Shaw trial, stated: "I believe he [Shaw] was lying to the jury. Of course, the jury probably believed him. But I think Shaw put a good con job on the jury."[67]

The Nal

Oh Jesus hes on about Jim Garrison

The Nal

Another FYI

Garrisons entire case was based on a guy called Perry Russo who claimed he saw Oswald and Shaw at a party. But when push came to shove...

I then asked him was Clay Shaw at this party, he replied do you want to know the truth, I stated yes, he said I don't know if he was there or not. I told Perry that Shaw was the type of a man that if you were to see him, he would stand out in your mind and I asked him if he would give me a no or yes answer to this question. He stated that if he had to give a yes or no answer, he would have to say no

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/recant.htm

Russo named two witnesses who could corroborate his story of attending a party at Ferrie's apartment in September 1963 in which the assassination plot was made. The first, Russo's former girlfriend, appeared on an NBC News program about the Garrison investigation on June 19, 1967, and denied being at Ferrie's apartment, and said that she never even met Ferrie until 1965. The second, a friend of Russo's, told NBC News that he was at Ferrie's apartment then but saw nobody resembling Oswald or Shaw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Russo

The Garrison case is such a joke that even Oliver Stone didnt write a character for Perry Russo in his movie and his name is only briefly mentioned once.

As for this:

In a 1992 interview, Edward Haggerty, who was the judge at the Clay Shaw trial, stated: "I believe he [Shaw] was lying to the jury. Of course, the jury probably believed him. But I think Shaw put a good con job on the jury."[67]

Thats called a quote mine.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526357#Comment_121526357

Cant name the person who tampered with a crime scene and avoided the topic that the judge at this trial said Shaw was a con man who lied.There are a lot of things you don't want to answer or talk about, so you jump to the next thing.

Anyway.

Again this is not true. The Garrison case was based on the alleged associations between David Ferrie, David Atlee Philips ( CIA), Guy Banister, and Lee Harvey Oswald. The case revolves around a plot that may have been planned out in New Orleans and Louisiana.It is quite silly to claim that Garrison used a single claim to bring an entire case against these individuals.

Garrison unfortunately became the target of a smear campaign orchestrated by the CIA-controlled media. This smear campaign aimed to silence him and destroy any credibility he had. As a result, Garrison faced an uphill battle in his pursuit of justice.

One of the major challenges he faced was getting people to testify against Shaw. However, some individuals were willing to come forward and tell the truth. One such individual was David Ferrie ( played by Joe Pesci in the JFK film). His death raised speculations and suspicions. The death of Ferrie sent a clear message to others who might have been considering assisting Garrison: speaking the truth could have deadly consequences.

Willie O'Keefe is the Perry Russo character in the JFK fim, not sure what you're on about there.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525222#Comment_121525222

That’s another few pages, and then maybe some Jim Marrs.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526729#Comment_121526729

It's like whack a mole.

Just when you think there couldn't be anymore nonsense and lies....

Mannesmann

Was reported today that the full files of the assassination were released but not much new was in them. It was remarked as strange that interviews with some key witnesses were not in the files. Any thoughts?

Big Bag of Chips

New thread merged.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282703#Comment_123282703

Theyve all been read at this point. Theres nothing new in them. Zero. As expected. Most of them had already been released.

Document showing the KGB investigated Oswald, he wasnt a KGB agent. Thats about as interesting as it gets.

It was Oswald.

But queue up the "Oh they have more documents we havent seen - the real ones" conspiraloons.

Washington Post probably have the best summary so far

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2025/jfk-files-assassination-documents/

Esel

What about Angleton running Oswald for 4 years?

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123286380#Comment_123286380

"Running?" where did you hear that?

Didnt happen. Oswald is barely mentioned.

Heres the doc. Oswald from page 52.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/157-10014-10005.pdf

riddles

The chosen route for the motorcade with a convertible was a strange one from a security point of view. Oswald started working in that building only recently before that and then the motorcade appears to slow down in that zone which didn’t seem to be security screened.

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/FourteenMinuteGap/FourteenMinuteGap.htm

Then you have the killing of Oswald. Considering the tensions of the time there is a least a lot of oddities in the mix. A phone call from Hoover to LBJ less than 24 hours after the assassination talking about a visitor to a Russian embassy claiming to be Oswald but they were aware from voice and photos it wasn’t him. That was a lot of detail to have so quickly

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123286530#Comment_123286530

Best summation Ie seen re Mexico from 35 mins here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roy0TornUkE

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123286559#Comment_123286559

So seven months before the JFK assassination Oswald allegedly tries to kill a US army general and misses from 100 yards a seated target.

He is then arrested in New Orleans in August and there is quite detailed video footage of him. 

He then goes to Mexico in September and is photographed by the CIA entering the USsR embassy. He leaves there and we are to believe is never questioned about his visit there. 

He goes to Dallas picks up a job just by chance that puts the US president in his line of site again 100 yards. 

He is captured pretty quickly the head of the FBi is able to discuss his visit to the USSR embassy with JFK’s successor in less than 24 hours after the shooting. All the tapes go missing. 

He then gets killed by a random member of the public while in police custody. A lot of randomness going on there. 

On a pure aside for a guy who left the army you’d have to wonder how he travelled around so much and what he did for money considering he had a wife and two daughters and worked in adhoc low paid jobs which he seems to have been dismissed from routinely. He has money for guns - apartments, deposits rent etc travel all pretty strange.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123288957#Comment_123288957

He wasn't question for army general shooting, that connection was only made after his death. The arrested in New Orleans was for breach of the peace.

He then goes to Dallas and Mexico Not sure where the randomness is, those places where specifically chosen.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123288957#Comment_123288957

Oswald's change of heart within a short window of time highly suspicious. It's public record that he was a marine radar operator, a job that requires at least top secret security clearance, especially during the Cold War when tensions between the Soviets and the United States were very high. Despite this, Oswald seemingly faced no significant obstacles from his own government when he decided to defect to the Soviet Union just months after leaving his highly sensitive job position.

People who reject the conspiracy theory will argue that Oswald had no contact with the CIA before the event in dallas. It's implausible really to think he could have operated within the US spy network without encountering CIA operatives, much like claiming the CIA isn't involved in drone strikes in the Middle East today. There is no logic to that at all

Many do claim Oswald went to the Soviet Union on his own because he fell in love with Marxism. While it's possible for someone to adopt a different ideology, Oswald, a man with knowledge of U.S. radar systems and their operations against Soviet spy craft and fighters, would have been a significant security risk. It's unlikely the U.S. would have wanted the Russians to debrief him on that sensitive information unless they wanted oswald to hand over false info or information that was necessary for a certain objective.

Oswald clearly had a role to play, and the Kennedy event came later. His move from intelligence to becoming an American defector, essentially a traitor, started this chain of events.

I don't find it odd that Oswald, being young, would be picked for it by intelligence. Clearly, from recent events like the Edward Snowden incident and leaks of Ukraine material to the web, young men often end up leaking sensitive material. We don't see a lot of 40-something guys involved.

I know this information is not a direct response to your post, but Oswald's defector role is crucial to understanding the Dallas events. Clearly, Oswald knew what he was doing, even claiming himself to be the patsy, a fall guy. He didn't have time to reveal anything because someone got the mob involved to take Oswald out in a station full of Dallas police officers. The rest is history, and the debate about what happened continues.

The JFK files, which have only been 60 percent uploaded so far, contain a wealth of information about the CIA's activities in Cuba and their operations against the Soviets worldwide. These files confirm many conspiratorial findings and some new, potentially embarrassing information that contradicts the CIA's narrative. Notably, James Angleton testified and admitted to having dual loyalty to Israeli intelligence and the CIA, working for both. He even admitted to undermining Kennedy's policy of controlling the Israeli nuclear program and working against Arabs for the state of Israel.

In the past, it had been rumored that Kennedy intended to disband the CIA, but now we finally have the unredacted Schlesinger memo, which Kennedy directed an aide to draft a report on restructuring the CIA following the Bay of Pigs event, but which was considered too sensitive to be released and has been completely blacked out for decades. In fact, this document alone can be seen as just one of the many reasons as to why the cia did not want the files about JFK to be released. In his view, Kennedy considered the CIA a threat to the leadership of the United States, and was convinced the agency had too much influence over US foreign policy and his decisions

There is an FBI briefing document, according to Morley, that shows James Angleton recruited Oswald in 1959 as a source or asset. The evidence from the files indicates that the CIA had taken an interest in Oswald much earlier than previously admitted to Congress and Senate hearings.

The documents, show conclusively [end of story] the CIA's admissions and the timeline at which they began taking interest in Oswald were false.

There are documents pertaining to the gun running, threats made against Kennedy by operatives claiming Jewish support for his assassination.

A previously known file details an intelligence surveillance operative Gary Underhill worked at the Pentagon who, upon discovering a small CIA group's involvement in Kennedy's murder, rushed to new jersey from washington in panic and was found dead six months later, allegedly having shot himself in the back of the ear.

Additionally, there are references to the use of biological weaponry against Cuba, covert actions considered distasteful, and MK Ultra believe or not.

As of right now, the lack of George Joannides files and other information that is missing prevents us from having a complete understanding of what the CIA has been up to leading to the Kennedy event in dallas.

The conspiracy version of the CIA is all there in the files, everything that we said about them that was dark is there in thousands and thousands of documents. The "Nothingburger" folks on the web may feel immune to the fact that Kennedy and many of his cabinet members understood that the CIA was a state within a state that operated outside of white house control.

There is a tendency on the part of "nothingburgers" to downplay all this because they think the CIA is some good guy freeing the world, but the facts are that the files show a very poor method of doing things. Is there way of doing things any different to the Mao or Hitler way, don't think so read lot of files over last two days pretty much the same evils are going on for democracy.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289214#Comment_123289214

Well to suggest he visited the Russian and Cuban consulates in Mexico - was photographed doing so and subject to CIA chatter at that time. Having previously lived in Russia. Adding in the video of him handing out Cuban leaflets in New Orleans.

It seems inconceivable he wasn’t at least spoken to by the CIA on his return. Then the probability it’s just total chance he ends up working where he did. The questions about the safety of the route, potential changes of security or non adoption of protocol. The whole thing culminating with Oswald’s own assassination.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289214#Comment_123289214

Fact free waffle mixed with outright lies. "only been 60 percent uploaded so far".

You liar.

Anyone genuinely interested in the JFK assassination, do not take anything this poster has to say seriously.

So anyway in the real world, most of the files dont even mention JFK and have little or nohing to do with the assasination. A huge nothing burger.

From what I've read so far, they are interesting regarding about CIA operations etc at the time. Thats about it.

It was Oswald. Alone.

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Enough with the name calling. Attack the post not the poster - warning applied

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289287#Comment_123289287

At this time too, and decades later to date, nobody has an acceptable answer for why Oswald's photo was not revealed, unless there was an operation going on and can't have that known. Most people aren't aware of the fact that a group of CIA operatives sent a photo of another man claiming to be Oswald in Mexico. The man had shady blonde hair and was a bigger strong build guy. Find that genuine surveillance photo from 1963 online.

We don't really know conclusively if oswald trip occurred only there is activity to suggest he did or was planted evidence to build a narrative of oswald culpability to the events later.

The CIA field team operatives in Mexico photograph remains an unresolved mystery. The operatives sent a photo back, contributing to the confusion.

The search for Joannides files is crucial because he was the CIA man for DRE/CIA anti-Castro operations in Miami and New Orleans during Oswald's presence there. When the House Select Committee on Assassinations requested a CIA liaison, they stipulated that the liaison must not be involved in any questionable activities. However, the CIA did not disclose that Joannides was deeply involved and was sent to monitor and obstruct the process. Years later, when Chief Counsel Blakey discovered this deception, he was outraged at being misled by the CIA.

There is an active effort by the CIA to sabotage the efforts of finding the true truth, and even gone as far as to sabotage the US government hearings into the matter.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289371#Comment_123289371

As there's a bit of history to this and your suspects/theories have changed a fair bit over the years. Do you still believe it was LBJ, Cuban exiles, the FBI, the Mafia, Zapruder, Willis and World War 2 Nazi's who killed JFK?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289299#Comment_123289299

The release of files isn't over. On March 18th, 63,000 files were released and 88,000 were in the archive, including newly discovered files which are currently being classified and reviewed, as well as a lot more that were not originally anticipated. I feel like the newly discovered 2000 files that were discovered by the FBI this year would be similar. Finding new files.

I can see now more got uploaded on March 20th, increasing the percentage of released files. I didn't see that. No matter how you slice it, you claimed nothingburger before 20th and you had not seen everything there was to see. It is true that I made a mistake there with respect to what has been uploaded so far, and it probably is below 85 percent right now.

Senator Pauline Luna claims there is an internal CIA whistleblower IG report that confirms CIA involvement in the JFK event, which she and her team are seeking to locate within the organisation. It remains to be seen whether or not she will be able to find it. On April 1st, Luna will hold an event in honor of the Kennedy investigation [not a joke]

I don't think we agree on any Kennedy events; it's just a difference of opinion between us. You can discuss with other posters what you think about this go ahead free discussion forum and how you feel about it

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289505#Comment_123289505

Senator Paulina Luna? The same Paulina Luna who said she is going to interview members of the Warren Commission. Who are all dead?

lol

https://www.yahoo.com/news/luna-wants-interview-dead-warren-145601680.html

And no, theres no agreeing or disagreeing. Just facts vs lies.

"We don't really know conclusively if oswald trip occurred" in Mexico.

Oh yes we do.

He visited Mexico City between September 27 and October 3 1963

He used his passport

He stayed in the Hotel del Comercio, Calle Sahagun

Multiple hotel staff members confirmed this

He signed th hotel visitors book. Proven, his signature

His wife confirmed he was in Mexico.

So did numerous Cuban and Russian embassy staff.

Theres phone records of him calling the consulates.

He was noted by the hotel clerk for the frequency of his returning to the hotel after trips out.

So if anyone believes he wasnt in Mexico, they now have to explain above.

And all of this. They even know what sort of suitcase he had with him.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10067-10413.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP10M00666R000503450002-3.pdf

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289542#Comment_123289542

Senator? Once again Cheerful demonstrating his inability to grasp facts or parse simple data.

Anna Paulina Luna is a representative of House of Congress, not a senator and a very markedly different role and far, far more junior role. A role that she's already made a clown show of by presuming to recall dead Warren commission witnesses for... A Qanon loon that's found her people.

If Cheerful can't get these absolute basics right? And let's be clear, he never has! Nor has he ever managed to stick to one story or theory, as soon as one theory is discredited? It's jump to a new more outlandish one and ignore the one they peddled previously.

The only consistency? Is their inconsistency.

And now, Earth is a prison planet, information and control of same is managed by the NHI. It's a weird mix of Scientology and Ufology that again, spins out to entirely new conspiracy premise and abandons all their previously argued positions.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289559#Comment_123289559

When shes the best spokesperson for a conspiracy now you know its over. Apparently an expert, who didnt know that the youngest member of the Warren commission (Gerald Ford) would be 111 years old were he alive.

Deafening silence from the conspiracy community this week. People who have been investigating for their entire lives.

Mary Ferrell Foundation, Jefferson Morley & JFK Facts, jfkassassinationforum.com et al. The sound of a balloon deflating.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289214#Comment_123289214

A marine radar operator requires clearance, so do many military positions. That does not make them spies.

Oswald was not operating within the US spy network. He wasn't picked for it by intelligence, nor he he defected from intelligence. He was a former marine, that's all.

Cheerful S

First of all, debunkers are not giving the whole truth here. She in fact said she was hoping to bring in people involved with various investigations, including the Warren Commission. Clearly, "people" means staffers, attorneys, and all kinds of people who worked behind the scenes. She said "members," which would be a story. Of course, the other side did this as part of the course. Video here: she said "people," not "members of the commission."

https://youtu.be/_67QkLi1yys?si=1PSds8N4jf05_kcI

Nal

Skips over the fact that CIA operatives in Mexico forwarded a different photograph of Oswald from the one the world knows. If this was Oswald in Mexico, how can we trust that all the other materials are not part of the same fake oswald trip?

Nal even attempts to confirm this reality by uploading a CIA pdf

Come on nal_can do better. Are we going to believe just based on the information provided by the CIA, that he was there. As soon as the real photograph of Oswald is found everything I said take back. Until then I going to remain skeptical.

Just think, we can't just believe the CIA gave the Warren Commission all the facts, knowing what we do today.

Minor error on my part, Banie is right. She's not a senator, she's a congresswoman. Debunkers and conspiracy theorists can make mistakes; it's not unusual, nobody is infallible. It is a bigger problem when a debunker lies about someone in a way that is based on false media reports

Cheerful S

FBI agents even admitted to news sources that the person who claimed to be Oswald on the phone wasn't him.

Living in a world where someone claiming to be Oswald before the events in Dallas in 1963 isn't him, what does that tell you about the Mexico trip when records show a different person ringing the Soviet embassy in Mexico? Are you supposed to ignore this as if it's nothingburger.

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/news/nation-world/1999/11/22/call-to-soviet-embassy-after/50503041007/

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123289970#Comment_123289970

From. Your link

"Oswald was in Mexico City in September and October 1963."

Thanks for confirming.

Or can you explain away all of the evidence? Cuban and Russian embassies, Marina, various hotel staff who interacted with him all week, civilians who traveled and talked to him on the bus down, passport control, his signature in the hotel book.

Its all over. All the files are out and not a jot of evidence to suggest anyone but Oswald.

But have a go at below? Does a 100% lack of clarity oer 1 irrelevant phone call really matter? The new released havent debunked any of this.

In fact, in light of no new evidence - none - it confirms it.

https://oswald-is-guilty.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-one-piece-of-evidence-that-favors.html?m=1

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123290013#Comment_123290013

A mainstream reporter story of course he would would include the findings of the Warren Commission, which claimed that Oswald personally phoned the Soviet embassy.

However, as revealed by the FBI, the person on the tapes was not Oswald. It's hard to see how this supports the mainstream version when the tapes that the FBI got were not of Oswald. For me tapes are confirmation of a conspiracy, as someone trying to frame Oswald and put together a narrative around him? There is a pretty huge relevant fact that oswald did not call the Soviet embassy in Mexico as you claimed. This is quite a relevant fact that you want to ignore too. Photos that don't match plus phone calls that are not oswald.

I don't know what else is wrong with this if you used it here as evidence for Oswald's trip.