Nissan Leaf 60kWh

Old diesel

I think that it's easy to justify waiting for the opposition.

You get a better car in terms of battery.

VW seem to be getting a push on with last of eGolfs.

Would have the eGolf over Leaf for the following......

1) while it's hard to get definitive proof - the eGolf seems to not get as hot battery temp wise as the Leaf. Rapidgate symptoms seem less severe yet also very little to no reports of reduce power on the road.

2) Mk 7.5 is a better more polished product as a car.

3) looks like eGolf has edge on efficiency.

4) for EV newbies an eGolf feels familiar

Im signalling eGolf here because there has to be availability for VW to push it as they now do.

Otherwise (what id actually do) is be patient.

The Koreans tend to be slow but the vastly superior product they offer will come through eventually for you.

There are Ioniqs knocking around the system randomly. The elusive car.

Old diesel

Sorry - I meant to say the elusive car (Ioniq) actually seems to pop up these days.

The 38 kwh is probably well worth a shot vs any Leaf.

Yes the 54 minute charge is a bit silly but it's still looking better overall then the L60.

krissovo

E-golf, hm to be fair its the magnolia of EV’s, its legacy fossil with a battery. The Ioniq for all its great efficiency as a place to live day to day is bland and not a great commuter. The Leaf is also EV magnolia however it is on steroids, e pedal and pro-pilot make it a commuter dream!

ewj1978

a 60kWh battery that can only charge at 50kW. why would you do it to yourselves? WHY?

Mike9832

ewj1978 wrote: »

a 60kWh battery that can only charge at 50kW. why would you do it to yourselves? WHY?

Its not great and shouldn't happen at this price point

Watched a review of the Leaf e plus and the guy did 300km with a full battery and charged from 10-70% in 30-35 mins doing another 200km then

500km took a 30min charge basically

Outside temp was 24c and he was driving 110km/h mostly

With 210bhp on tap and that range it would do me fine tbh and I always criticise

For €35,000 it would be a good deal, €42,000 is a joke though

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Its not great and shouldn't happen at this price point

Watched a review of the Leaf e plus and the guy did 300km with a full battery and charged from 10-70% in 30-35 mins doing another 200km then

500km took a 30min charge basically

Outside temp was 24c and he was driving 110km/h mostly

With 210bhp on tap and that range it would do me fine tbh and I always criticise

For €35,000 it would be a good deal, €42,000 is a joke though

Why you need 500km range ?

Silent Running

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why you need 500km range ?

To drive 500kms maybe?

DrPhilG

Silent Running wrote: »

To drive 500kms maybe?

*And then to drive 500 more.

Just to be tha man who drove a thousand km to... Still find a fault...

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why you need 500km range ?

To go back

unkel

Mike9832 wrote: »

Watched a review of the Leaf e plus and the guy did 300km with a full battery and charged from 10-70% in 30-35

Any link? To charge it on a CHAdeMO charger at the usual max for a Leaf of 43kW would take almost an hour (given zero #rapidgate), your figure of 35 minutes suggests charging at about 62kW

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Any link? To charge it on a CHAdeMO charger at the usual max for a Leaf of 43kW would take almost an hour (given zero #rapidgate), your figure of 35 minutes suggests charging at about 62kW

Which unless you find a unicorn of a >50kW chademo in the wild (there's less than 10 in the EU and no plans for more) is impossible

kuro68k

I could live with the charging speed limit if they added the new ProPilot to it. The new one, just released in Japan, is hands-off on motorways. Beats the Tesla system literally hands-down.

slave1

ewj1978 wrote: »

a 60kWh battery that can only charge at 50kW. why would you do it to yourselves? WHY?

Plenty of folk will be happy to charge and home and never use public (lack of) infrastructure

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Any link? To charge it on a CHAdeMO charger at the usual max for a Leaf of 43kW would take almost an hour (given zero #rapidgate), your figure of 35 minutes suggests charging at about 62kW

He was charging on a 100kW Chad ( didn't know they existed yet ), recargo chargers

Pulled 55kW for most of it, dropped to 43kW near the end, temp up a bit

Will try find vid, was on phone

ELM327

kuro68k wrote: »

I could live with the charging speed limit if they added the new ProPilot to it. The new one, just released in Japan, is hands-off on motorways. Beats the Tesla system literally hands-down.

Ok you've gotten my attention.
Whats the quant behind that statement?

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

Which unless you find a unicorn of a >50kW chademo in the wild (there's less than 10 in the EU and no plans for more) is impossible

My understanding was the current CHAdeMO standard supports 125A and 500V so is technically capable of 62.5kW charging, however the cars have a much lower voltage so never get near that.

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

My understanding was the current CHAdeMO standard supports 125A and 500V so is technically capable of 62.5kW charging, however the cars have a much lower voltage so never get near that.

Yes that is correct, but the leaf does not have 500v so is limited to 43kW on current chademo. Hence the ridiculousness of branding it as 100kW capable when the hardware doesnt exist

Old diesel

Mike9832 wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

Any link? To charge it on a CHAdeMO charger at the usual max for a Leaf of 43kW would take almost an hour (given zero #rapidgate), your figure of 35 minutes suggests charging at about 62kW

He was charging on a 100kW Chad ( didn't know they existed yet ), recargo chargers

Pulled 55kW for most of it, dropped to 43kW near the end, temp up a bit

Will try find vid, was on phone

If it's the same guy I'm thinking off - I think he charged 3 times on the 450 to 500 km trip.

Charging from around 40 to 85 percent each time.

I could be thinking of a totally different guy but the 55 kw is ringing a bell.

That 55 kw charge was actually done separately on a different day in the week he had the car though and I don't think he mentioned doing a trip on that day.

Im thinking of Ken at EV revolution BTW

Mike9832

Old diesel wrote: »

If it's the same guy I'm thinking off - I think he charged 3 times on the 450 to 500 km trip.

Charging from around 40 to 85 percent each time.

I could be thinking of a totally different guy but the 55 kw is ringing a bell.

That 55 kw charge was actually done separately on a different day in the week he had the car though and I don't think he mentioned doing a trip on that day.

Im thinking of Ken at EV revolution BTW

Saw that one too

Good review, but took it much to easy on the car

unkel

Old diesel wrote: »

If it's the same guy I'm thinking off - I think he charged 3 times on the 450 to 500 km trip.

Why 3 times ???

A 62kWh car should nearly be able to do that trip without charging at all if you drive a bit below the speed limit. At motorway speeds it should only need one brief charge.

Old diesel

unkel wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

If it's the same guy I'm thinking off - I think he charged 3 times on the 450 to 500 km trip.

Why 3 times ???

A 62kWh car should nearly be able to do that trip without charging at all if you drive a bit below the speed limit. At motorway speeds it should only need one brief charge.

It was actually an attempt by him to see how it would handle multiple rapids on same day.

It is flawed because doing 3 rapids on a work between 40 to 85 percent basis means your battery doesn't heat up quite as much.

Vs doing what the German test did

unkel

That is flawed alright. Need to do it like Bjørn Nyland - drive the car at the Autobahn at top speed until it is near empty and then recharge. Worked flawlessly on Tesla Model 3. With the Leaf? Probably not so much

kuro68k

ELM327 wrote: »

Ok you've gotten my attention.
Whats the quant behind that statement?

Nissan's new ProPilot lets you take your hands off the wheel. It has a camera that monitors your eyes to make sure you are paying attention to the road. No need to apply torque to the wheel.

It's launching this Autumn.

https://youtu.be/YiaKKkG80Zs

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

That is flawed alright. Need to do it like Bjørn Nyland - drive the car at the Autobahn at top speed until it is near empty and then recharge. Worked flawlessly on Tesla Model 3. With the Leaf? Probably not so much

10 rapids in 24 hours?

Be calling the AA

Would love to see it done

ELM327

kuro68k wrote: »

Nissan's new ProPilot lets you take your hands off the wheel. It has a camera that monitors your eyes to make sure you are paying attention to the road. No need to apply torque to the wheel.

It's launching this Autumn.

https://youtu.be/YiaKKkG80Zs

Sounds good but I am dubious of Nissan, will wait to see it out

Mike9832 wrote: »

10 rapids in 24 hours?

Be calling the AA

Would love to see it done

I did 10 rapids in one day in my L24 before. Hit max on the battery temp meter All motorway too, about 20kWh/100km (so ~90 km between stops, although I did stretch to 110 between Galway and Enfield after charging to 95% )

DrPhilG

ELM327 wrote: »

I did 10 rapids in one day in my L24 before. Hit max on the battery temp meter All motorway too, about 20kWh/100km (so ~90 km between stops, although I did stretch to 110 between Galway and Enfield after charging to 95% )

My record was 8 I think, Cork to Donegal. Hit the red at Applegreen heading north.

Water John

Dr, I don't think my nerves would be able for that.

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

Sounds good but I am dubious of Nissan, will wait to see it out





I did 10 rapids in one day in my L24 before. Hit max on the battery temp meter All motorway too, about 20kWh/100km (so ~90 km between stops, although I did stretch to 110 between Galway and Enfield after charging to 95% )

How did that workout?

What was the trip exactly? How many km?

Must have been on the road 13-14hours?

jim-mcdee

ELM327 wrote: »

Sounds good but I am dubious of Nissan, will wait to see it out





I did 10 rapids in one day in my L24 before. Hit max on the battery temp meter All motorway too, about 20kWh/100km (so ~90 km between stops, although I did stretch to 110 between Galway and Enfield after charging to 95% )

Maybe, around this time, you realised that you made a mistake buying an car that runs on batteries.

kuro68k

I think two rapids a day is the max for the Leaf 62. That's going to cover 10 hours of driving, enough for me.

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

How did that workout?

What was the trip exactly? How many km?

Must have been on the road 13-14hours?

Yeah about 14 hours and I think 700km from memory. was going from Galway to wexford and then to meath with a couple of detours

jim-mcdee wrote: »

Maybe, around this time, you realised that you made a mistake buying an car that runs on batteries.

Yes that one trip that was the only one that exceeded 400km in the 12 months before was the reason the battery was a mistake :rolleyes:


I'll grade that as a D-, must try harder.

charlieIRL

If you are thinking of buying one, order it before Christmas - prices are going up in January. Was told by Nissan main dealer this morning.

2019 60kWh prices are a 2019 introdutory offer.

krissovo

charlieIRL wrote: »

If you are thinking of buying one, order it before Christmas - prices are going up in January. Was told by Nissan main dealer this morning.

2019 60kWh prices are a 2019 introdutory offer.

I think he told you a fib, if anything they will come down as availability of other EV's will be available then. Make hay when the sun shines as they say.

charlieIRL

krissovo wrote: »

I think he told you a fib, if anything they will come down as availability of other EV's will be available then. Make hay when the sun shines as they say.

He could have been alright but I know the salesman and wouldn't take him as a normal salesman bull$hitter.

Theres's going to be a lot more options in the next few months thankfully, the e-golf has really caught my eye, I just don't know anyone who has one to ask about range.

rolion

charlieIRL wrote: »

If you are thinking of buying one, order it before Christmas - prices are going up in January. Was told by Nissan main dealer this morning.

2019 60kWh prices are a 2019 introdutory offer.

Just of Nissan dealer.
40KW "tekna" specs comes at €38k over 5 years @ ~700pm.
62KW "tekna" specs at €40ish.

If i can claim the VAT back and add maybe 5-10k deposit,i may be able to bring down the payments but overall cost kind of on the dear_est side...

Mike9832

rolion wrote: »

Just of Nissan dealer.
40KW "tekna" specs comes at €38k over 5 years @ ~700pm.
62KW "tekna" specs at €40ish.

If i can claim the VAT back and add maybe 5-10k deposit,i may be able to bring down the payments but overall cost kind of on the dear_est side...

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/model3/design#battery

charlieIRL

rolion wrote: »

Just of Nissan dealer.
40KW "tekna" specs comes at €38k over 5 years @ ~700pm.
62KW "tekna" specs at €40ish.

If i can claim the VAT back and add maybe 5-10k deposit,i may be able to bring down the payments but overall cost kind of on the dear_est side...

Nissan finance is very expensive compared to Renault.
For an 40kWh SV Leaf that was in stock I was quoted €31k for the car, €4650 deposit and 72 monthly payments of €442.77 - credit cost €5539.44
The Zoe didn't require a deposit and was similar payments but only over 5 years.

FaganJr

charlieIRL wrote: »

Nissan finance is very expensive compared to Renault.
For an 40kWh SV Leaf that was in stock I was quoted €31k for the car, €4650 deposit and 72 monthly payments of €442.77 - credit cost €5539.44
The Zoe didn't require a deposit and was similar payments but only over 5 years.

Yes but cost of Renault HP is €0, 0% and €0 down

charlieIRL

FaganJr wrote: »

Yes but cost of Renault HP is €0, 0% and €0 down

That means the Zoe is nearly 9K cheaper than a Leaf so. Pity its so small

rolion

That was the quote from Nissan dealer themselves.Probable taking the figures from AIB and passing some management fees for them.
But it was a Hire Purchase,direct contract,no questions asked,just my bank account and key is on my desk.
Now,time to go back to branch and update the figures and let them play head to head.

Wonder if all the Nissan dealers have same calculators,maybe one has it "broken" !?
Nice thing is that the car is available "tomorrow" but still,near 40k ,how that can be justified !?

Soarer

FaganJr wrote: »

Yes but cost of Renault HP is €0, 0% and €0 down

Where does it say zero down?

On the Renault website, it says minimum deposit.

charlieIRL

Soarer wrote: »

FaganJr wrote: »

Yes but cost of Renault HP is €0, 0% and €0 down

Where does it say zero down?

On the Renault website, it says minimum deposit.

I was told no deposit required by a Renault salesman when we picked up the work Zoe.

kuro68k

Isn't there something like CarWow for Ireland? That's how you get good deals in the UK.

Shefwedfan

kuro68k wrote: »

Isn't there something like CarWow for Ireland? That's how you get good deals in the UK.

The market in Ireland is too small and dealers prefer to sell themselves.

FaganJr

Soarer wrote:

Where does it say zero down?

Soarer wrote:

On the Renault website, it says minimum deposit.

I have a quotation with the above. It's across the Renault range, not just Zoe. Seen it on TV also

jim-mcdee

ELM327 wrote: »

Yeah about 14 hours and I think 700km from memory. was going from Galway to wexford and then to meath with a couple of detours






Yes that one trip that was the only one that exceeded 400km in the 12 months before was the reason the battery was a mistake :rolleyes:


I'll grade that as a D-, must try harder.

If you don't mind all those stops so be it. I can get 1300km without stopping. When battery cars can do that I'll take out my cash. Until then..... I'll keep motoring past those charge stations.

Silent Running

jim-mcdee wrote: »

If you don't mind all those stops so be it. I can get 1300km without stopping. When battery cars can do that I'll take out my cash. Until then..... I'll keep motoring past those charge stations.

And you felt you needed to tell us that.

Mike9832

jim-mcdee wrote: »

If you don't mind all those stops so be it. I can get 1300km without stopping. When battery cars can do that I'll take out my cash. Until then..... I'll keep motoring past those charge stations.

They can do 400km plus now though

What do you drive that can do 1300km?

Silent Running

Mike9832 wrote: »

They can do 400km plus now though

What do you drive that can do 1300km?

468 on my dash this morning, and I've been ragging the ass of it leaving ICE drivers red faced. :cool:

jim-mcdee

Mike9832 wrote: »

They can do 400km plus now though

What do you drive that can do 1300km?

They are getting there all right. Maybe another 10 year? Skoda Superb