Nissan Leaf 60kWh

ELM327

the culture of deference wrote: »

A recent road test by German EV rental specialist Nextmove has found that the new 62 kWh Nissan LEAF still suffers from similar DC fast charging throttling (#Rapidgate) issues at elevated temperature as the 40 kWh LEAF. On highway journeys requiring more than one DC charge (i.e., journeys over 310 miles or 500 km), onwards progress in the new 62 kWh LEAF may become frustratingly slow.

:eek::eek::eek::D:D:D


Oh Nissan, have you learned nothing?

Soarer

Ah come on.

How many people are doing 500km a day "at highway speeds"?

Silent Running

Soarer wrote: »

Ah come on.

How many people are doing 500km a day "at highway speeds"?

Me, about 12 times per year.

the culture of deference

the culture of deference wrote: »

The leaf is €41,500 + €1,900 (park +), think that includes del + met, no chance of any discount

sorry it does not include del or met paint


so add another 1600 euro

Miscreant

the culture of deference wrote: »

the culture of deference wrote: »

The leaf is €41,500 + €1,900 (park +), think that includes del + met, no chance of any discount

sorry it does not include del or met paint


so add another 1600 euro

€41500 + 1900 + 1600? Blimey, a €45000 Nissan, and that is after the grants are applied. I wonder if they will sell many.

ELM327

Miscreant wrote: »

€41500 + 1900 + 1600? Blimey, a €45000 Nissan, and that is after the grants are applied. I wonder if they will sell many.

More likely to sell snow to eskimos
Although we Irish love a crap deal

charlieIRL

When I was in Nissan a few weeks ago and asked about the 60kWh Leaf. I was told the price was €6700 more than a 40kWh SV Premium model (€32,240) which makes it €38,940. Has it gone up since??

KCross

charlieIRL wrote: »

When I was in Nissan a few weeks ago and asked about the 60kWh Leaf. I was told the price was €6700 more than a 40kWh SV Premium model (€32,240) which makes it €38,940. Has it gone up since??

website says 37,840 for SV Premium
40,500 for SVE

presumably you add on metallic and delivery so your price looks right at 38940.

Soarer

Silent Running wrote: »

Me, about 12 times per year.

Really?

500km @ 120km/h?

Shefwedfan

charlieIRL wrote: »

When I was in Nissan a few weeks ago and asked about the 60kWh Leaf. I was told the price was €6700 more than a 40kWh SV Premium model (€32,240) which makes it €38,940. Has it gone up since??

Prices are on web.....that price I guess includes delivery so sounds about right

Silent Running

Soarer wrote: »

Really?

500km @ 120km/h?

Well, mostly at around 120. M4 - M25 in the UK, across wales and England. Some of it is A road, but still 70mph ish. It was a long journey in the Ioniq timewise, with 3/4 stops depending on charger availability. Looking forward to my first time doing it in the E-Niro next month.

Do I sense disbelief?

Soarer

Silent Running wrote: »

Well, mostly at around 120. M4 - M25 in the UK, across wales and England. Some of it is A road, but still 70mph ish. It was a long journey in the Ioniq timewise, with 3/4 stops depending on charger availability. Looking forward to my first time doing it in the E-Niro next month.

Do I sense disbelief?

UK based driving, fair enough.

Don't think there are many people in Ireland will be doing it.

Silent Running

Soarer wrote: »

UK based driving, fair enough.

Don't think there are many people in Ireland will be doing it.

Well, my journey either begins or ends in Ireland. Does that count?

Soarer

Silent Running wrote: »

Well, my journey either begins or ends in Ireland. Does that count?

1 != many.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

Really?

500km @ 120km/h?

Dublin - Cork return? Wouldn't be that uncommon I'd have thought? A lot of people going to GAA matches?

Personally I have never had a problem with doing over 1000km @ 120km/h in one day. Have never done that in Ireland though, but I did several of those driving days on holidays last year. Most people in the USA and in continental Europe think nothing of doing 1000km in a day, I hope they are not buying Leafs

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Dublin - Cork return? Wouldn't be that uncommon I'd have thought? A lot of people going to GAA matches?

Personally I have never had a problem with doing over 1000km @ 120km/h in one day. Have never done that in Ireland though, but I did several of those driving days on holidays last year. Most people in the USA and in continental Europe think nothing of doing 1000km in a day, I hope they are not buying Leafs

But they’re not doing it in one sitting are they?

And if you’re planning on doing 100% of your driving in Ireland, how the Leaf performs in Europe doesn’t make a blind bit of difference.

the culture of deference

Just double checked



€44,800 is the price for SVE with pro pilot incl met + del

Padraig Mor

charlieIRL wrote: »

When I was in Nissan a few weeks ago and asked about the 60kWh Leaf. I was told the price was €6700 more than a 40kWh SV Premium model (€32,240) which makes it €38,940. Has it gone up since??

The poster is picking the absolutely highest price available in order to make the Leaf look bad. Has anyone paid the €1900 for the self parking option?!

slave1

Does Pro Pilot include self parking or is that another extra on top of Pro Pilot?

Padraig Mor

the culture of deference wrote: »

Just double checked



€44,800 is the price for SVE with pro pilot incl met + del

No it's not - it's €43800 including met, del and self parking option. If you can manage to park your car yourself, it's €42100. Cheapest 62kWh is €39440 OTR incl met and del. Also probably not accurate about lack of discounts - I was offered €2k off a 40kWh SVE when there was supposedly 'no discounts'.

Padraig Mor

slave1 wrote: »

Does Pro Pilot include self parking or is that another extra on top of Pro Pilot?

Pro Pilot is standard on the SVE. The park option is a €1700 option - you'd want to be a pretty desperate driver to fork that out.

blindside88

Padraig Mor wrote: »

No it's not - it's €43800 including met, del and self parking option. If you can manage to park your car yourself, it's €42100. Cheapest 62kWh is €39440 OTR incl met and del. Also probably not accurate about lack of discounts - I was offered €2k off a 40kWh SVE when there was supposedly 'no discounts'.

Same here, was offered €2k of a 40 kWh SV Premium or €2.5k off the same model if I took the one they had in stock

Mike9832

blindside88 wrote: »

Same here, was offered €2k of a 40 kWh SV Premium or €2.5k off the same model if I took the one they had in stock

How much all in?

blindside88

Mike9832 wrote: »

How much all in?

I think it was €30240, that was a straight sale price though with no trade in

the culture of deference

the culture of deference wrote: »

Just double checked



€44,800 is the price for SVE with pro pilot incl met + del

slave1 wrote: »

Does Pro Pilot include self parking or is that another extra on top of Pro Pilot?

It is €44,800 with pro parking and met and del. pro pilot incl

krissovo

The Park pro is shockingly back in the Leaf and no way worth the money. It must be the slowest system on the market.

icom

krissovo wrote: »

The Park pro is shockingly back in the Leaf and no way worth the money. It must be the slowest system on the market.

Worth every penny, my wife loves it

the culture of deference

icom wrote: »

Worth every penny, my wife loves it

my wife wants it too

slave1

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Pro Pilot is standard on the SVE. The park option is a €1700 option - you'd want to be a pretty desperate driver to fork that out.

I'm not, I won't, loopy upgrade cost

FaganJr

the culture of deference wrote: »

Just double checked



€44,800 is the price for SVE with pro pilot incl met + del

How much is a GTR here?

Stealthirl

FaganJr wrote: »

How much is a GTR here?

The GTR and 370Z were withdrawn from the Irish market a good while ago.
Nissan only sell 4 cars here now. Micra, Leaf, Qashqai and X-Trail (might as well be 3 as the X-Trail is just a slightly bigger Qashqai) There's a new Juke due soon so that will bring them back up to 4/5 models.

Rumors of an E-Power hybrid Juke or maybe a BEV using the 60kW pack to rival the tripplets from Korea have been mentioned but no solid info.

Gile_na_gile

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Cheapest 62kWh is €39440 OTR incl met and del.

Am reading through these threads, since I would love to imagine having the cash to 'upgrade'/exchange to 62KwH, but even if I had the cash it seems pointless because of Chademo, the harder ride it has compared to the 40KwH (to compensate for extra 150kg), and the competition.

Has anyone bought one here? The cheapest is over 10k more than I paid for a new 40KwH SV this year before the price hike. If you want space, more sense to wait for an eNiro, and for design and performance, the model 3 (saw one yesterday in red on the road). It should be priced at 35k, if they bring out an SV equivalent rather than the Tekna/SVE standard.

Shefwedfan

I see another Leaf stolen last night.....how long before insurance start putting a big whack on keyless entry

slave1

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

...If you want space, more sense to wait for an eNiro....

Wouldn't be convinced on that, I had a look at an eNiro and it's no bigger inside than a L30, in particular the boot was disappointing

the culture of deference

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Am reading through these threads, since I would love to imagine having the cash to 'upgrade'/exchange to 62KwH, but even if I had the cash it seems pointless because of Chademo, the harder ride it has compared to the 40KwH (to compensate for extra 150kg), and the competition.

The biggest difference is the 50% increase in power.


Has anyone taken delivery of a new leaf?

icom

TeslaBjorn range test of the new Leaf 62

370km @ 90 kph (GPS)
255km @ 120 kph (GPS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NUEvgI_VOA&fbclid=IwAR2t-ujW37jZBLVw86IQ6Of8Lu5qDUfEc_upe604HJZYzf4uIlPgHE5bF94

Mike9832

255km @ 120

Seems low

Whats Kona?

I'd say Ioniq38 will get close to that, with a 50% smaller battery

Can't believe its 1820kg too, some weight for a small hatchback

krissovo

Wow, Leaf 60 will be pushing it to do Cork > Dublin unless you ease off the gas pedal. 280 Km’s would be good for a Cork based EV driver doing motorway speed up to Dublin.

unkel

Very poor. And that's in summer. In winter you won't make it to Cork unless you seriously drop your speed.

Bizarre that a Ioniq 28kWh driving at 120km/h with one 15 minute stop at Ionity would be quicker than a Leaf62 at 100km/h to Cork, and it wouldn't arrive as empty as the Leaf either

Mike9832

krissovo wrote: »

Wow, Leaf 60 will be pushing it to do Cork > Dublin unless you ease off the gas pedal. 280 Km’s would be good for a Cork based EV driver doing motorway speed up to Dublin.

True

It would be too tight

Not hating on Leaf62 but expected it to do 20kWh/100km @120 for 300km or so

Didn't expect 255km

I expect new 208e, e-Corsa, Zoe, Ioniq to all match that at €10,000 less

Kona

510km @90
340km @120

According to Bjørn tests

kuro68k

The Leaf has always been very inefficient at high speed, so this is no surprise.

The Leaf62 is an odd car. Not really suited to long distances due to being inefficient at 120 kph, and can only do one rapid charge per day before it hits #rapidgate. Even the first charge won't see much over 40kW so it's not all that rapid, taking over an hour for 10->80%.

And on top it's very expensive, and in desperate need of a refresh.

ELM327

And this, folks, is why any other EV is a better bet than this "new" leaf (which believe it or not due to R&D costs is still using the same drivetrain as the 2011-13 model).

Imagine being slower Dublin to Cork than a car with less than 50% of the battery!!

liamog

Nissan are really making themselves look bad by reporting these cars as total capacity instead of usable. Bjorn calculated a usable capacity of 56kWh vs 62kWh advertised. He's currently doing a 1000km test.

Lumen

liamog wrote: »

Nissan are really making themselves look bad by reporting these cars as total capacity instead of usable. Bjorn calculated a usable capacity of 56kWh vs 62kWh advertised. He's currently doing a 1000km test.

It has the same efficiency at 120kph as a Model X 60D, and is easier to park in narrow spaces!

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

It has the same efficiency at 120kph as a Model X 60D, and is easier to park in narrow spaces!

That's not exactly something to be proud of

Old diesel

liamog wrote: »

Nissan are really making themselves look bad by reporting these cars as total capacity instead of usable. Bjorn calculated a usable capacity of 56kWh vs 62kWh advertised. He's currently doing a 1000km test.

He already did a 1000 km test on Leaf 62.

Wasn't a happy event - 15.5 hrs.

On the Dublin to Cork thing - I'm not sure it's as bleak for L62 as we might think.....

1) the real world range for Ioniq in winter is going to be low at 75 mph . Barely 100 miles. Time will tell how L62 winter range is impacted.

2) the same 15 minute stop for L62 should put "enough" to finish the 160 mile trip in summer.

3) in Winter Rapidgate would be less of an issue.

4) in Summer that one first charge at full speed should put a substantial amount of the charge needed for a return trip.

Charge to 80 percent at 1st rapid and you have 128 miles of that 160.

That leaves just somewhere in the region of 30 to 50 miles to be replanished at "rapidgate" speed. Remember that Bjorn in his disastrous 2 hour stop* (which was actually the THIRD stop) was looking to get a full recharge.

Also note that in a typical real world Cork to Dublin and return trip - you have a purpose for going there - the car will be parked for a while - so should manage battery temp a bit better then in Bjorn's drive - charge - drive approach.

Not defending Nissan who have messed up but the testing cycle doesnt reflect normal driving .

NO ONE does a trip to Dublin and turns around and comes home again.

Not sure the Ioniq comparison is that relevant except to bash Nissan - if you are or were looking at the 62 for more range then it's eNiro or eSoul etc that you look at.

eNiro will do that trip with ONE rapid all year round .

Can also use Ionity

Lumen

Is there a list of results from Bjørn's 1000km tests?

I see Model 3 did 10 hours, Kona and MX did 14.

Padraig Mor

Much as I defend the Leaf here, and believe the efficiency issues are irrelevant for the majority of drivers, it is still disappointing that driving at a decent clip hits the range so much. Is it just a CD / drag issue, or is the powertrain itself just inefficient at high speeds?

Old diesel

Should add that the 15.5 hours was only due to he having to baby the car along to minimise charge stops after the third stop.

Had he hammered it home the rapidgate would have crucified him further .

My understanding from following livestream was that the big issue came at around 570 kms and 3rd rapid.

If it had been a 400 mile trip it wouldn't have been such a disaster because the miles to be put in battery would be small given that he arrived at 3rd rapid with 27 percent on Leafspy.

I would say L62 would do Cork to Dublin AND BACK on a normal trip in a less crap manner then implied here.

Yes I know - rapidgate but I believe that even that one full speed charge covers "enough" of the journey for a slower 2nd charge to be less of a problem then it would if you needed to do a 4 to 500 mile trip...

It's certainly not the car to do that trip all the time though .

eNiro, Kona and Model 3 would all be better bets.

Tesla gives you great flexibility on route - can use supercharger at Ballaculla, Ecars chargers and Ionity.

liamog

My bad, it's the summary video he's posted, got confused with my YouTube notifications.