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Granny flats

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    #2
    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Homer


    The picture of the one in Blanchardstown is definitely not. A granny flat must be attached to the house. That’s a converted shed and against planning regulations. I’m sure it won’t be too long before it’s reported to the council.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,332 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    handlemaster wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/just-36-out-of-1479-onebed-flats-cost-1000-or-less-37569232.html

    are granny flats now legal to rent out ?

    No


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    mcbert
    Registered Users Posts: 460 ✭✭mcbert


    But how is a granny flat any different to just renting out a room in your home? Like a rent a room relief?
    kceire wrote: »
    No


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    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,303 ✭✭✭Homer


    mcbert wrote: »
    But how is a granny flat any different to just renting out a room in your home? Like a rent a room relief?

    Because it doesn’t have planning permission and is therefore illegal.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,332 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    mcbert wrote: »
    But how is a granny flat any different to just renting out a room in your home? Like a rent a room relief?

    Because the Planning for the Granny Flat states that it cannot be separated by lease and has to be occupied by an immediate member of the family at all times.

    Ignoring the RTB allowing it, Planning Law doesn't allow it so therefore illegal based on that.


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    mcbert
    Registered Users Posts: 460 ✭✭mcbert


    Ok, fair enough. Sorry for my ignorance, but would it not be possible to get planning for an extension, not call it a granny flat with those restrictions? Or to get a granny flat that is under 40m2 limit, and therefore exempt?
    kceire wrote: »
    Because the Planning for the Granny Flat states that it cannot be separated by lease and has to be occupied by an immediate member of the family at all times.

    Ignoring the RTB allowing it, Planning Law doesn't allow it so therefore illegal based on that.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,332 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    mcbert wrote: »
    Ok, fair enough. Sorry for my ignorance, but would it not be possible to get planning for an extension, not call it a granny flat with those restrictions? Or to get a granny flat that is under 40m2 limit, and therefore exempt?

    It is possible. But granny flats have to be connected to the house with interlinked doors.


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    lee_design
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    What if you build it 'close' to the main house and if there is an issue, just connect it after the fact. How strict are they for that. It would be built under the 40m2 but if there was an issue, we can then connect it to the main house but of course it would then go over the 40m2. So we would need to apply for retention plus planning? I just do not want to attached it to the house as it will block lots of light


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,332 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    lee_design wrote: »
    What if you build it 'close' to the main house and if there is an issue, just connect it after the fact. How strict are they for that. It would be built under the 40m2 but if there was an issue, we can then connect it to the main house but of course it would then go over the 40m2. So we would need to apply for retention plus planning? I just do not want to attached it to the house as it will block lots of light

    Mod Note.

    We obey the law in this forum so please do not discuss. What you describe would be illegal and a breach of the Planning Laws.


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    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    So the granny flat is not a granny flat in the article as it is separate from the house. You can apply for a planning permission change after it is built and the may allow it to be rented.
    You can't build a property 40sqm on your land and claim exemption under planning laws. It wouldn't be an extension in that case so would require planning.


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    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,958 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    And the homeless crisis goes on and on....


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    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,299 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    And the homeless crisis goes on and on....
    Until the Irish start building 55 floor privately ran apartments (as the government probably couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery), it'll continue.


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    Radsky
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Radsky


    Do estate management normally need to approve the extension or can they block the building of the extension?


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    Gumbo
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    Radsky wrote: »
    Do estate management normally need to approve the extension or can they block the building of the extension?

    They have the right to lodge an observation to the Local Authority if you’ve applied for planning.

    If you are trying to build an exempted development then you have to make sure it’s exempt before you start the works, especially if it’s a newish estate that has been built to the limits of density already as the exemptions may have been de-exempted in the parent planning application.


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    godtabh
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    kceire wrote: »
    They have the right to lodge an observation to the Local Authority if you’ve applied for planning.

    If you are trying to build an exempted development then you have to make sure it’s exempt before you start the works, especially if it’s a newish estate that has been built to the limits of density already as the exemptions may have been de-exempted in the parent planning application.

    Also depends on your covenant. I’ve seen some lately that prevent this.


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    Radsky
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Radsky


    kceire wrote: »
    They have the right to lodge an observation to the Local Authority if you’ve applied for planning.

    If you are trying to build an exempted development then you have to make sure it’s exempt before you start the works, especially if it’s a newish estate that has been built to the limits of density already as the exemptions may have been de-exempted in the parent planning application.

    Thank you. Can you easily check if an estate has been deexempted in the planning application posted in the council website? And if it has been deexempted, do you now need to make a planning application for any extension regardless of size?


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    Gumbo
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    godtabh wrote: »
    Also depends on your covenant. I’ve seen some lately that prevent this.
    Radsky wrote: »
    Thank you. Can you easily check if an estate has been deexempted in the planning application posted in the council website? And if it has been deexempted, do you now need to make a planning application for any extension regardless of size?

    Yes. Check planning.
    Check final grant of planning and see if it’s one of the conditions.


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