Public servants' inability to afford to pay rent in Dublin.

wrangler

4ensic15 wrote: »

Relevance?

We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
Go figure.
December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples

j8wk2feszrnpao

wrangler wrote: »

We're excessively taxed

Compared to?
I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.

wrangler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Compared to?
I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.

Shouldn't have to pay both, don't know if you've needed it lately but hse is loading patients into private hospitals now and it isn't that simple to get a quick private appointments now because of it. It's like the passport scenario, if we're busy we'll create a backlog etc etc...don't know about you but if I'm busy I work longer hours. Last time I was in a public hospital two out of three theatres were idle and they say there's a waiting list of 500000 for care
You sound young but I'm 66 and health care is important

road_high

limnam wrote: »

Christ.


She's young. She can share. Get a room in a house for 280e a month.


That leaves her with over 1300e a month with shared bills.


God forbid we're ever in a_real_ crisis.

Doubt you’d get any sort of room in a shared house for under €100 per week in Dublin

raze_them_all_

road_high wrote: »

Doubt you’d get any sort of room in a shared house for under €100 per week in Dublin

You can if you share the room like an 8 year old at camp

Atlantic Dawn

Anything that brings more attention to the mess that is, the better, welcome to the party public servants.

j8wk2feszrnpao

wrangler wrote: »

Shouldn't have to pay both, don't know if you've needed it lately but hse is loading patients into private hospitals now and it isn't that simple to get a quick private appointments now because of it. It's like the passport scenario, if we're busy we'll create a backlog etc etc...don't know about you but if I'm busy I work longer hours. Last time I was in a public hospital two out of three theatres were idle and they say there's a waiting list of 500000 for care
You sound young but I'm 66 and health care is important

You didn’t answer the question. Who are we excessive taxed in compared to, and what is their health care?

Maybe people shouldn’t have to pay both, but it’s unfunded for the standard people want.

Thankfully I haven’t needed medical care recently. I do my best to avoid requiring it. But I do have young kids, and paying for it has been of massive assistance on two occasions; well worth the sacrifice of the other luxuries that I could have spent it on.

I also have parents older than you, and quite reliant on medical care; so my own age isn’t of importance.

whisky_galore

engiweirdo wrote: »

Musk is a product of his warped US coporatist environment. He actually sees himself as akin to Henry Ford, especially with the Model X,Y,Z names for the cars but is worlds apart. Ford was a great engineer and capitalist but saw the value of better pay and less working hours for his employees.

The work all the hours of the day mentality is a sickness that is seeping in from the poor saps reared in modern day high waged slavery in the US. Really ieks me to see companies here promote and engage in this behavilur when we have better functioning models east of us in Europe we should be following instead.

Ford had no problem turning his own goons/private security force on his own employees. And anyone who couldn't perform a task quickly enough on the assembly line was sacked. A bit of an arsehole.

Edgware

wrangler wrote: »

We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
Go figure.
December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples

Try and get one of your self employed plumbers and electricians between Christmas eve and rhe 2nd of January

nice_guy80

Edgware wrote: »

Try and get one of your self employed plumbers and electricians between Christmas eve and rhe 2nd of January

they are self employed
they can take time off when they want, generally

Naos

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they are self employed
they can take time off when they want, generally

Care to give us the figures about how someone could be worse off after a raise in the PS?

4ensic15

wrangler wrote: »

We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
Go figure.
December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples

Yes. But what has that got to do with public servants ability to pay rent?

uck51js9zml2yt

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If it's our system, then it applies to both sectors.

We get caught for additional levies the private sector don't "enjoy".
A pay rise means additional types of deductions that weren't there on a lower salary.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Ronin Salty Hotel wrote: »

We get caught for additional levies the private sector don't "enjoy".
A pay rise means additional types of deductions that weren't there on a lower salary.

Such as? What are they?
You've provided zero specifics on this to actually make it believable.

wrangler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You didn’t answer the question. Who are we excessive taxed in compared to, and what is their health care?

Maybe people shouldn’t have to pay both, but it’s unfunded for the standard people want.

Thankfully I haven’t needed medical care recently. I do my best to avoid requiring it. But I do have young kids, and paying for it has been of massive assistance on two occasions; well worth the sacrifice of the other luxuries that I could have spent it on.

I also have parents older than you, and quite reliant on medical care; so my own age isn’t of importance.

You don't need a comparison when poor service is a problem, to wait nine mths for a follow up to a test stinks. Nurses and Doctors are great but it's no good if the patient is left too long, might as well not be there

wrangler

4ensic15 wrote: »

Yes. But what has that got to do with public servants ability to pay rent?

they shouldn't get money then just cos they live in dublin

j8wk2feszrnpao

wrangler wrote: »

You don't need a comparison when poor service is a problem, to wait nine mths for a follow up to a test stinks. Nurses and Doctors are great but it's no good if the patient is left too long, might as well not be there

Well if you state we are excessively taxed, you do kinda need a comparison. To have a health service like Scandinavia, you must look at how they pay for it; i.e. through taxation.

If you do believe we are excessively taxed, but the health service is still unable to provide an adequate service; then what is your proposal to improve/finance it?

wrangler

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Well if you state we are excessively taxed, you do kinda need a comparison. To have a health service like Scandinavia, you must look at how they pay for it; i.e. through taxation.

If you do believe we are excessively taxed, but the health service is still unable to provide an adequate service; then what is your proposal to improve/finance it?

It seems to be black hole for money now, huge amounts of money and few extra beds.......there are people paid to run it properly, plenty of people my age waiting for treatment, seems if they're a number of months waiting they can be outsouced to some treatment purchase thingy, so leave them nine mths and then clog up the private hospitals

cnocbui

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Compared to?
I work with a number of people from other countries. We aren't as taxed as much as they are from what they tell me. And you see in France that some are resisting further increases.

I have private health insurance in my current company (I pay towards it as well). Prior to that I paid it myself. Gave up a lot of nights out and holidays, but prioritized it. Had a few mates who decided to smoke, drink excessively, and take 2 holidays a year abroad; but it's other peoples fault when they sit on a waiting list.

The health system is huge with many factors that affect it's efficiency.

How about New Zealand. An island nation, similar population, lower taxes and yet they manage to have a budget surplus. Public debt as percentage of GDP - Ireland 78% - New Zealand 34%

NZ has no capital gains tax, no TV license fee, no death duties, no DIRT, the highest marginal income tax rate is 33%, compared to Ireland's 48%. The GST (VAT) rate is 15%, not 23%.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anything that brings more attention to the mess that is, the better, welcome to the party public servants.

i liked this because die hard

limnam

road_high wrote: »

Doubt you’d get any sort of room in a shared house for under €100 per week in Dublin

Check daft.


They're there.

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

We're excessively taxed, presumably to provide healthcare etc , yet to get proper and timely health care you have to pay health insurance as well.
Go figure.
December/january is the busiest time of the year in hospitals, yet medics took the hump when asked not to take holidays then, as a self employed I'd find that hard to accaept. Provide the service or don't take our taxes....simples

Staff having holidays during Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with waiting lists etc.

It’s a ridiculous suggestion that healthcare staff should not be entitled to time of with their families over Christmas. Normally they work things on rotation so that every second or 3rd year a person gets Christmas Day off or if you work Christmas Eve you don’t work Christmas Day or vice versa. They are underpaid staff doing their best and are fully entitled to time with their families over Christmas.

limnam wrote: »

Check daft.


They're there.

Keeping in mind sharing a room with another person is totally unacceptable then the fact is that there are no places available bar a few min to Thursday/fri only places. In the depths of the recession the chepeast I ever paid for a decent room in another part of the country completely was 300 euro per month you are talking absolute nonsense suggesting it can be hot for that in Dublin now. Anyone I know sharing in Dublin in liveable places are paying in the 450 to 700 range for a room.

limnam

Lana Black Conduit wrote: »

Keeping in mind sharing a room with another person is totally unacceptable then the fact is that there are no places available bar a few min to Thursday/fri only places. In the depths of the recession the chepeast I ever paid for a decent room in another part of the country completely was 300 euro per month you are talking absolute nonsense suggesting it can be hot for that in Dublin now. Anyone I know sharing in Dublin in liveable places are paying in the 450 to 700 range for a room.

The rooms available are sharing a house. Not sharing a room.


Stop suggesting it's nonsense and check daft, I've posted examples previously.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

The rooms available are sharing a house. Not sharing a room.


Stop suggesting it's nonsense and check daft, I've posted examples previously.

Sharing with couples and babies?

Another I saw for €100 weekly was a room containing a bunk bed to fit three people (a single over a double). And it was in a flat. How many people are crammed in there?

Do you even read the descriptions of these great examples you supply? Sharing houses is the norm when starting out but there are good houseshares and really depressing ones that nobody should have to tolerate.

limnam

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Sharing with couples and babies?

Another I saw for €100 weekly was a room containing a bunk bed to fit three people (a single over a double). And it was in a flat. How many people are crammed in there?

Do you even read the descriptions of these great examples you supply? Sharing houses is the norm when starting out but there are good houseshares and really depressing ones that nobody should have to tolerate.

As I said already.


If it's whining about the country the people you share with a from. The fact you need to take a bus to the city and basically go on like a spoilt child


You're going to find it tough no matter what.


If they're problems.


Get a better job.

limnam

Bedroom in foxrock for 180e a month?


What's wrong now?


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/house-share/foxrock/foxrock-park-foxrock-dublin-1053425/

TerrorFirmer

limnam wrote: »

Bedroom in foxrock for 180e a month?


What's wrong now?


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/house-share/foxrock/foxrock-park-foxrock-dublin-1053425/

You have to become a part-time carer?

Opportunity to rent at a reduced rate of 180 euro per month including bills in exchange for 7 hours of care which would include meal prepartion and light shopping.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

As I said already.


If it's whining about the country the people you share with a from. The fact you need to take a bus to the city and basically go on like a spoilt child


You're going to find it tough no matter what.


If they're problems.


Get a better job.

Excuse me? Ya wanna flesh that out a bit there?

Oh and you have no idea what tough things I’ve been through in my life. You have no idea what anyone here has been through. Do you think you’re the only one who had endured trying times in their life or something?

You’ve clearly decided that people are whinging because they’ve had an easy life and are spoiled. If it helps you to justify the points you are making, knock yourself out but you’re only fooling yourself with that mindset. People aren’t making unreasonable requests here and many of us have lived a bit.

raze_them_all_

limnam wrote: »

Bedroom in foxrock for 180e a month?


What's wrong now?


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/house-share/foxrock/foxrock-park-foxrock-dublin-1053425/

Only looking for women.

limnam

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Only looking for women.

The example we were discussing was a girl in the PS.


So it'd suit her.

limnam

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Excuse me? Ya wanna flesh that out a bit there?

Oh and you have no idea what tough things I’ve been through in my life. You have no idea what anyone here has been through. Do you think you’re the only one who had endured trying times in their life or something?

You’ve clearly decided that people are whinging because they’ve had an easy life and are spoiled. If it helps you to justify the points you are making, knock yourself out but you’re only fooling yourself with that mindset. People aren’t making unreasonable requests here and many of us have lived a bit.

Calm down love.


I don't mean you specifically I mean in general

Calina

limnam wrote: »

As I said already.


If it's whining about the country the people you share with a from. The fact you need to take a bus to the city and basically go on like a spoilt child


You're going to find it tough no matter what.


If they're problems.


Get a better job.

Dude, you are going to have to get a grip. I lived in Dublin from 1999 to 2016. It was way worse accommodation wise in 2016 than it was in 1999 and that, frankly, was saying something. The city is an absolute kip on top of that.

There are sacrifices to be made. This I know. I have made them. But you know, we should aspire to making things better. No one over the age of 17 should have to share a room, and no one should have to depend on licenseeship of rent a room because frankly, sharing with an owner is sh1t. When I did that, I was also earning enough to be on the higher tax rate.

So the country sucks. What is your response? To tell people to suck it up?

But you know, the problem is that to fix this mess, people have to make sacrifices. The kind of sacrifice where the market change means their 1 million semi D, Strain built, is no longer worth 1 million, but 250,000e.

Because the answer is greater - much greater supply.

limnam

Calina wrote: »

Dude, you are going to have to get a grip. I lived in Dublin from 1999 to 2016. It was way worse accommodation wise in 2016 than it was in 1999 and that, frankly, was saying something. The city is an absolute kip on top of that.

There are sacrifices to be made. This I know. I have made them. But you know, we should aspire to making things better. No one over the age of 17 should have to share a room, and no one should have to depend on licenseeship of rent a room because frankly, sharing with an owner is sh1t. When I did that, I was also earning enough to be on the higher tax rate.

So the country sucks. What is your response? To tell people to suck it up?

But you know, the problem is that to fix this mess, people have to make sacrifices. The kind of sacrifice where the market change means their 1 million semi D, Strain built, is no longer worth 1 million, but 250,000e.

Because the answer is greater - much greater supply.

They don't need to, they can have a beautiful room in leafy foxrock for 180 quid a month.

limnam

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

You have to become a part-time carer?

You have to cook a dinner and do her shopping?


To save yourself 650e a month?


If Jesus is reading, he's weeping.


7 hours working minimum wage is what? 56 quid a week.


bargain town.

nice_guy80

Naos wrote: »

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they are self employed
they can take time off when they want, generally

Care to give us the figures about how someone could be worse off after a raise in the PS?

Do you want my pay slip or something?

limnam

300e quid a month on luas line


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartment-share/citywest/150-carrigmore-crescent-citywest-dublin-1053188/

next set of excuses?

coolshannagh28

This problem was created by public servants ie Michael Noonan and his advisors when the made their faustian pact with ex Treasury Secretary now Hedge Fund manager Timothy Geithner in 2010.Reading between the lines Geithner forbade any burning of bondholders but encouraged big Capital ie Hedge funds ,vulture funds REITs into Ireland in a quid pro quo ; these entities bought up large chunks of distressed real estate and are now controlling supply.

Sierra Oscar

limnam wrote: »

300e quid a month on luas line


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartment-share/citywest/150-carrigmore-crescent-citywest-dublin-1053188/

next set of excuses?

Room isn't even available at weekends. Not much use to public sector workers who work weekend shifts.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

Calm down love.


I don't mean you specifically I mean in general

And the general point is still nonsense.

Paulzx

limnam wrote: »

300e quid a month on luas line


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/apartment-share/citywest/150-carrigmore-crescent-citywest-dublin-1053188/

next set of excuses?

Room available Monday to Friday??

That Luas will be handy to sleep on for Saturday and Sunday:rolleyes:

limnam

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Room isn't even available at weekends. Not much use to public sector workers who work weekend shifts.

grand,


they can stay here instead


300e a month


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/house-share/balbriggan/clonard-st-balbriggan-dublin-1035789/

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

grand,


they can stay here instead


300e a month


https://www.daft.ie/dublin/house-share/balbriggan/clonard-st-balbriggan-dublin-1035789/

Aye, that looks fine. And I’m sure the 100 people who go to view it will think so too.

limnam

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aye, that looks fine. And I’m sure the 100 people who go to view it will think so too.

So the ask is.


No mexicans.


no kids.


No transport requirements.


Must have a limited amount of views.


Riiight.

engiweirdo

limnam wrote: »

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aye, that looks fine. And I’m sure the 100 people who go to view it will think so too.

So the ask is.


No mexicans.


no kids.


No transport requirements.


Must have a limited amount of views.


Riiight.

Think it's more that these are such anomalies they would hard to obtain in the first place rather than readily available to all.

limnam

engiweirdo wrote: »

Think it's more that these are such anomalies they would hard to obtain in the first place rather than readily available to all.

People keep saying that, yet every time i'm in here i find new ones.

engiweirdo

limnam wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Think it's more that these are such anomalies they would hard to obtain in the first place rather than readily available to all.

People keep saying that, yet every time i'm in here i find new ones.

Go enquire about one, say 1 day after its posted. Let us know how you get on.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

So the ask is.


No mexicans.


no kids.


No transport requirements.


Must have a limited amount of views.


Riiight.

Who in this thread asked for all those things?

You can’t amalgamate things different people have said into one apparent requirements list. It’s highly disingenuous. But you know that already. AND conveniently, it also means you don’t have to take anyone’s individual points on board. Seems an unsatisfying way to think to me but how and ever.

And what are not you not getting about the fact that I said many people view each place? By saying that, I’m highlighting that those rooms are hard to get. They’re oversubscribed. This is really basic stuff here.

HamSarris

limnam wrote: »

300e quid a month on luas line




next set of excuses?

Your grasp of statistics wouldn't be that great.

I did a search of house shares in Dublin which returned 1,567 properties. 14 of these properties were below 300 per month, representing 0.89% of rooms. A quick glance of the number of views was about 400-500 per room.

So less than 1% of rooms are below 300 per month and your be competing with hundreds of desperate other people to get them. And if the median is about 700 per month there's usually a big catch if a landlord decides to advertise a room at half the going price.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

limnam wrote: »

People keep saying that, yet every time i'm in here i find new ones.

My friend had to leave her workplace during the work day recently to view a room (extortionately priced) that was just placed on daft. When she got there less than an hour later, it was gone. And then it happened a few more times after that. She is currently sleeping on a friend’s sofa. And my friend has a well-paid job, good references and everything else you need to be an attractive prospect as a tenant.

You’re clueless. You really are.

wirelessdude01

limnam wrote:

Bedroom in foxrock for 180e a month?

limnam wrote:

What's wrong now?

limnam wrote:

Bedroom in foxrock for 180e a month?

Part time carer. They want a live in nanny to cook, clean and do the shopping.