Would you like to attend a housing protest?

hatrickpatrick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You know why?

People defaulting in their payments because Paul Murphy told them too.

We all pick up the tab from scam artists and by god this country is full of them.

Also, because out free-for-all system says that they can charge what they like, rather than what they should.

Functions which are vital to society should be provided not for profit, but as a public service which costs no more than it needs to.

Again, someone charging thousands per month in rent doesn't have to do that, they're choosing to because they can. I'm arguing that this is morally wrong, and therefore should be changed by changing the law of the land to prohibit gouging in this manner.

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

It is what's required for a Dublin apartment at the minimum. You have internet access in your ivory tower, why not check? Or are you busy checking the latest rental returns for your REIT.

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

Do you own them all ?

Mad_maxx

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Also, because out free-for-all system says that they can charge what they like, rather than what they should.

Functions which are vital to society should be provided not for profit, but as a public service which costs no more than it needs to.

Again, someone charging thousands per month in rent doesn't have to do that, they're choosing to because they can. I'm arguing that this is morally wrong, and therefore should be changed by changing the law of the land to prohibit gouging in this manner.

Do you believe it's morally wrong to keep having kids with no financial means to support them?

klaaaz

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Do you believe it's morally wrong to keep having kids with no financial means to support them?

Deflection again, are you a FFG politician?

Is it morally wrong to charge people high rents and high prices for housing which is majorly owned by the wealthy elite?

Touchee

Allinall wrote: »

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

89?

Wow, that is plenty, can't believe I'm paying €1700 in rent, when there are 89 apartments under €1500.

Thanks for that, hope you never end up in a situation where you might need to view one of those 89 apartments, with tens of other people being interviewed for the same property. But if you do end up in a situation like that and find it difficult to rent a place, please remember there's probably another 89 apartments between Kildare/Meath/Wicklow.

Danjamin1

Christ I ****ing hate socialists.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Oh my, yes facts seem to escape you in your pro-rich position on property. And yet you moan why you have to commute to work to afford a roof over your head, pass the violins!

Commuting is a fact of life. No need for you to worry about the roof over my head. It’s already paid for by my hard graft.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Deflection again, are you a FFG politician?

Is it morally wrong to charge people high rents and high prices for housing which is majorly owned by the wealthy elite?

Socialist claptrap. I’ve no doubt that you believe in this, but it doesn’t work in reality. By all means protest in whatever you believe. But don’t expect everyone else in the country to share in those beliefs.

weldoninhio

klaaaz wrote: »

It is what's required for a Dublin apartment at the minimum. You have internet access in your ivory tower, why not check? Or are you busy checking the latest rental returns for your REIT.

https://www.daft.ie/dublin-city/residential-property-for-rent/?s%5Bmxp%5D=1000&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B0%5D=428&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B1%5D=1551&searchSource=rental&offset=20

38 places to live with the max rent set as €1000.

Ray Palmer

Some awful lies and fanciful thoughts being spouted here. The suggestion that the government is actively forcing pries up is just nonsense. A complete conspiracy idea with absolutely no evidence of. Pointing to house prices going up is not evidence and a statement saying they are doing this is not a theory as it needs evidence.

The suggestion that single parents don't affect housing supply is just wrong. If a couple break up and have joint custody and getting social housing it effects supply. If there is just 1 child involved each is entitled to a 2 bed place. While difficult to find the places now it doesn't change the fact there are a lot of people already doing this.

There are rent restrictions and anybody saying there are not is just lying. They might think they are being smart because people have broken the restrictions but that is like saying there are no speed limits because people break sped limits. It isn't smart

The government will never take control of all rentals nor provide zero profit loans by restricting banks. The public wouldn't want it, it would be illegal under EU law, collapse the economy etc... It isn't even vaguely possible and pipe dream.

There are not a few million homeless in Ireland

Danjamin1

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The government will never take control of all rentals nor provide zero profit loans by restricting banks. The public wouldn't want it, it would be illegal under EU law, collapse the economy etc... It isn't even vaguely possible and pipe dream.

There are not a few million homeless in Ireland

There's already an option to get a government backed mortgage from your local council, albeit I presume it's granted on a case by case basis with peoples circumstances taken into account.

The government are not purposely inflating house prices, the market economy is what's doing that, it's basic supply & demand. Same with rent, I agree it's gone to ridiculous levels but until there are more units available to comfortably satisfy the demand then you're going to have people outbidding each other.

I'm sure it's been said already but people do realise there's other places to live in the country other than Dublin right? I work with people who commute from Louth, Kilkenny, Cavan, Leitrim, Meath, Kildare & Tyrone. This crap of being entitled to housing in the specific area you desire is nonsense.

Saying there are a few million affected by the housing crisis is ridiculous. I bought my house at a mutiple of what my parents paid for theirs. House price inflation has risen excessively over the last 30. Just because the market value of my home is higher than what I would have paid in the late 80's/early 90's doesn't mean I'm affected by the housing crisis.

Squatter

klaaaz wrote: »

Do you normally throw abuse at posters who speak sense?

Of course not.

But I fail to see what that rhetorical question has to do with you, bearing in mind the absolute tosh that you are regurgitating onto this thread.

klaaaz wrote: »

It's great that you have a privileged position in society .....

Have I?

Old diesel

_Brian wrote: »

Often half the rental income taken as tax.
How is that an attractive model for landlords.

And now the go to answer from housing crisis agencies is “overstay after landlord has requested vacancy as he will never get you out”

I know two guys who were long term multiple landlords who sold off properties as they were being taxed so much on the income, compounded with excessive damage after tenants.

There will be no functionality in the rental market until it is an attractive proposition for landlords to hold and rent properties. Somehow it became a dirty idea for landlords to be profitable and the government were lobbied to turn the screw on them. The result has been droves of houses lost to the rental sector, where I live there are a mere fraction of houses to rent that there once was, when one comes up there is a scramble for it.
Other business people can be profitable, but not landlords. Imagine telling a filling station owner that the revenue from sales would be all taxed as income and likely loose half to tax, think about it, it’s an insane situation.

They can make a profit for sure.

The problem is that people see ridiculously pie in the sky rents and judgement is made on that.

4 things that are a hurdle for landlords.

1) their ability to advocate how things should be is actually woeful. By woeful I mean it's far too easy to make a judgement that what we need is to reduce reliance on random landlords on daft.ie and crank up co op housing, crank up the Vienna model of housing.

2) should renting a home be a source of full time income OR should it be a sideline. That has implications for the rent required.

3) Lifetime renting requires different thinking to the old school of well you rent for a short period before buying etc.

4) how do we address a landlord paying too much for a property and then requiring an excess rent to cover costs.

For me Landlords would do far better with their arguments if they develop an arguement that taking certain measures means the landlord can deliver a home that currently makes a loss at 1800 euros - for a PROFIT at 1400 euros per month.

But landlords don't want to even hear about the word reduction in rents.

But yet reductions in rent is actually needed.

What housing needs is a Ryanair style moment - where someone like Michael O Leary did with air travel - delivers solutions that deliver out of the box affordability.

With O Leary - using the same standard of Boeing as the 400 quid to London green plane chaps - we started a thing where now no one pays 400 quid to go to London.

Today for a one way flight I can book London with Aer Lingus for between 32 and 50 quid depending on what Irish airport and London Airports im using.

You might not go to O Leary extremes on housing but what O Leary did with flights is a useful lesson for housing imo.

What is needed isn't making housing attractive to investors by allowing them increase rent further but instead reducing the per month cost of provision

Could we not use our extensive train system to transport all the poor people from Dublin? If there's too many, we could probably extend the track from, for instance, Westport to Achill Island straight into their new homes?

Heuston, we have a solution!

realdanbreen

ygolometsipe wrote: »

So would you attend another protest?
Time to put the goverment under proper pressure.

Will Glen Hansard or Jim Sheridan or any other 'concerned' celebs be there?

SterlingArcher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Socialist claptrap. I’ve no doubt that you believe in this, but it doesn’t work in reality. By all means protest in whatever you believe. But don’t expect everyone else in the country to share in those beliefs.

Not to worry. people that spew this kind of nonsense. Are the first that their eutopian vision chews up and spits out when it inevitably goes wrong.

Ray Palmer

Old diesel wrote: »

But landlords don't want to even hear about the word reduction in rents.

But yet reductions in rent is actually needed.

I am all for reducing rents I am not for a reduction in income. The government could easily reinstate tax rebate for tenants. They could reduce tax on landlords and devise a system where that is passed on to the tenants.

Costs went up on landlords when rent was going down. That is what the government did instead. That created a loss that was going to be recouped, They were told this would happen and ignored it as a problem down the road. We got down the road and the government added more expenses to landlords. The only outcome was going to be higher rents. Any €1 increase in expenses takes €2 in increased in rent to recoup.

Incredibly poor support and protection from non paying tenants.

The public don't want to hear about protections for landlords but that is what is needed to reduce the risk that does have a huge impact on rent prices. Three months is the longest a tent should be allowed stay with out paying rent. Never heard a single valid argument why it should be any longer.

Berserker

realdanbreen wrote: »

Will Glen Hansard or Jim Sheridan or any other 'concerned' celebs be there?

It's Christmas, so they might grace the stage with their presence pop round to show support for their working class brothers and sisters.

Birneybau

A massive but worthwhile read:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/nov/29/empty-dublin-housing-crisis-airbnb-homelessness-landlords#comment-123135955

Old diesel

I'd happily go to a housing protest.

It's a massive issue and needs as many numbers on the streets as possible to send a message to government

Berserker

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd happily go to a housing protest.

It's a massive issue and needs as many numbers on the streets as possible to send a message to government

What message is that?

MarkHenderson

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd happily go to a housing protest.

It's a massive issue and needs as many numbers on the streets as possible to send a message to government

Iv'e attended several but the turnout was really disappointing tbh.

weldoninhio

realdanbreen wrote: »

Will Glen Hansard or Jim Sheridan or any other 'concerned' celebs be there?

Anyone got an album or book out??

Ush1

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd happily go to a housing protest.

It's a massive issue and needs as many numbers on the streets as possible to send a message to government

Do you think the government aren't aware or do you have a solution?

Old diesel

Berserker wrote: »

What message is that?

That housing needs change - it needs sorting out.

Fine Gael won't take notice of an 18 page boards thread.

They will have to take notice of 20 k people matching outside the dail.

weldoninhio

Old diesel wrote: »

That housing needs change - it needs sorting out.

Fine Gael won't take notice of an 18 page boards thread.

They will have to take notice of 20 k people matching outside the dail.

If housing could be solved, just by politicians seeing 20k outside Leinster House, why wouldn't they just do it, then call an election and they'd be guaranteed re-election as one of the most popular governments in history??

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

That housing needs change - it needs sorting out.

Fine Gael won't take notice of an 18 page boards thread.

They will have to take notice of 20 k people matching outside the dail.

What changes do you want? Exactly?

Suggest a policy. A change.

The_Brood

incentsitive wrote: »

If it was organised with the sole focus of highlighting the plight of young working people paying a fortune in rent, wanting to buy apartment or house, then yes.
If it was organised by the "I'm entitled to" brigade, no thanks.

Has this question been answered? I also very very much would want to attend for the former, but not the latter.

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd happily go to a housing protest.

It's a massive issue and needs as many numbers on the streets as possible to send a message to government

What is that message?