temporary clerical officer 2019

Nuala1983

Can someone explain what exactly the order of merit means (e.g 24)from public jobs I applied for temporary clerical officer

The Lost Sheep

Nuala1983 wrote: »

Can someone explain what exactly the order of merit means (e.g 24)from public jobs I applied for temporary clerical officer

That is your position based on your results from questionaire and it determines which people will go if interested to the next phase of the recruitment process

sabby78

emalou wrote: »

When you are placed how long is it for?

If anyone who has been appointed wouldn't mind sharing the length of time they held their position for I would be very grateful.

Does anyone have any experience of claiming FIS or WFP as it is now called while employed as a TCO?

Thanks in advance.

In my first year as TCO i was initially appointed a 3 month contract which was extended a further 3 months each time totaling 23 months. They could not extend it further than that because they would of needed to offer me a permanent position.

My second year as TCO i was appointed to a 12 week contract which finished at 12 weeks. Each year is different and it depends on the department you are put in.

cailin06

This is my first time to apply for TCO. Can someone fill me in on how exactly it works from when you get a positive reply from the online assessment?

wexford awake

cailin06 wrote: »

This is my first time to apply for TCO. Can someone fill me in on how exactly it works from when you get a positive reply from the online assessment?

You will get a call for an interview, either to be most likely held in the Public App Service in Dublin, or you might get lucky and it could be on in your own County. Interview was always just a formality, and you can't really fail it. Some people have said that it's changed this year, but I don't think so. Anyway after interview you just have to wait and see if your OOM is reached for a job. You might only get three months term time, or you could be lucky and get longer like maternity. Some people have been given extentions in contracts that can last a few years. The luck of the dice really. A good OOM just means you'll get a job faster, but someone with a worse OOM could get a better contract. It's all luck really. Best of luck xxxx

wexford awake

Was quiet disappointed with my OOM. I'm usually in the top 10 and sometimes I've been in the top 3. However this year I've seen my OOM go to late 30s. Worst I've ever done. Can't think of what I did different etc. I would class myself as been good at the assessment Questionairres. Was anyone else disappointed?. I thought it was application form, that perhaps PAS could see that others had more experience than me but then I know a student who was in the 40s Iast year jump to top 10 this year. So that's that theory out the window.I have worked in numerous TCO contracts. I'm not bitter, but just baffled. Just interested to see if anyone else is in the same boat.

Mala1313

ali1993 wrote: »

did really well with my results, a lot better than I thought I would! But now I am a bit scared because it means I might be called for interview soon and I will have to make a decision(if im lucky!)

I'm currently 9 months into a permanent CO job but... I applied for this because I wanted to get a job closer to home, and also I don't really like where I am. Commute wise it's costing me a fortune and very time consuming. I'm also on a panel for the CO 2018 campaign to try get closer to home in the long run. I was thinking if i got a temporary co job to cover me until I got through on the CO 2018 campaign.

Am I mad leaving a permanent job for a temp job? It would make my life so much easier being closer to home.

Hi just quick question- have you tried put yourself on transfer list?

Dalio

Dublintigger wrote: »

Hi Folks
Please just be aware that automatic extensions to your contract are not given 99% of the time regardless of the circumstances. This is because new rules and regulations came in last year or the year before regarding the TCO contracts. This is because there are a lot of people on the panel and the folks managing the panel want to everyone a fair shot. A lot of folks were disappointed last year because their contracts were not extended.

Just so you are aware:-
• The standard contract is 12 weeks – this covers paternal leave and term time.
• There are maternity cover contracts as well but again only a few and you are not guarantee them.
• Long term sickness is another one – although I have heard a TCO lose their contact half way through when the person they were covering came back to work sooner than expected.
• SW contracts are not normally extended unless exceptionally special circumstances.
• Just because you had a long contract last year does not guarantee you will get the same this year. If you do, you would be fortunate!
• Just because you had a contract last year for a particular department/section does not guarantee you will get the same department/section this year
• And worst of all, just because you got a contract last year, doesn’t guarantee you will get one this year even if you did well in the interview.

I have been doing the TCO contracts for a number of years and each year I have been given a different posts with contracts varying in duration. All great for the general experience.

There was only one year I didn’t get a post even though I passed the interview stages and got put on a panel.

So please do not build up your hopes and expect nothing more than the standard contract.

Hope this helps!
Dublintigger

Thanks good advice

podsull1

Hi anyone any idea if people get offered contract in early 20s for kerry

GAA Beo

wexford awake wrote: »

Was quiet disappointed with my OOM. I'm usually in the top 10 and sometimes I've been in the top 3. However this year I've seen my OOM go to late 30s. Worst I've ever done. Can't think of what I did different etc. I would class myself as been good at the assessment Questionairres. Was anyone else disappointed?. I thought it was application form, that perhaps PAS could see that others had more experience than me but then I know a student who was in the 40s Iast year jump to top 10 this year. So that's that theory out the window.I have worked in numerous TCO contracts. I'm not bitter, but just baffled. Just interested to see if anyone else is in the same boat.

I was disappointed, was around the same as you. Do you practise the tests? Wish it was easier to practise them, these tests are very common now in public sector. In saying that, it was only a temporary role. I'd love to get into a permanent role locally but seems very difficult. Also seems as if many people now are going to Dublin then transferring out as soon as possible so less positions are freeing up.

Jay328

Anyone know how many will be hired in dublin my OOM is 147

cvb03

Jay328 wrote: »

Anyone know how many will be hired in dublin my OOM is 147

In 2017 I was in the 300s and 2018 I was in the 170s on the Dublin panel, both times I was called to start end of May/start of June as I am only available for Summer months.

Eod100

Silly q what's oom?

cvb03

Eod100 wrote: »

Silly q what's oom?

Order of merit.

binana

Jay328 wrote: »

Anyone know how many will be hired in dublin my OOM is 147

I did TCO 2 years ago and I was around 650 OOM. I was called in mid May in Dublin.

wexford awake

podsull1 wrote: »

Hi anyone any idea if people get offered contract in early 20s for kerry

Without a doubt you will

HauntedGhost

Would any recommend the TCO to a person just out of college?

MLC_biker

Any idea how high the Cork numbers went last year?

Vb1

binana wrote: »

I did TCO 2 years ago and I was around 650 OOM. I was called in mid May in Dublin.

There's hope for me yet so, Im 620th OOM!

Eod100

How soon would you expect them to get to around 100 on OOM?

Dublintigger

HauntedGhost wrote: »

Would any recommend the TCO to a person just out of college?

Yes - its a great way to get some work experience under their belt.

emalou

I was placed in the 30's in Carlow. I'm hoping for the longest contract possible but from reading comments on a few different threads, it seems the higher you are placed the more chance you have of a longer contract, why is this does anyone know? TIA.

HauntedGhost

I placed 3rd in my county. Will I be called for an interview very soon?

Xenji

emalou wrote: »

I was placed in the 30's in Carlow. I'm hoping for the longest contract possible but from reading comments on a few different threads, it seems the higher you are placed the more chance you have of a longer contract, why is this does anyone know? TIA.

It is how the competition works, you might be placed No.1 in your county and only get a 12 week contract whereas somebody who was No.34 might get a 6 month contract, it all depends on what different departments need at the time.

In some cases it is actually more beneficial to place further down the OOM outside of Dublin, I know a department in the West will that be taking on 12-16 new TCOs in June on 6 month contracts to replace the current batch of TCOs who contracts will have expired.

November Golf

Eod100 wrote: »

How soon would you expect them to get to around 100 on OOM?

Depends on your county choice, dublin would probably called 100+ each in batch 1.

cvb03

HauntedGhost wrote: »

Would any recommend the TCO to a person just out of college?

Yes, I would because you could be working away as a TCO and in the meantime be applying for jobs in your designated field. I graduate next year and will defo still apply for a TCO position. This will be my third year in a row doing it. I have found it really enjoyable and the flexi time is great

emalou

cvb03 wrote: »

Yes, I would because you could be working away as a TCO and in the meantime be applying for jobs in your designated field. I graduate next year and will defo still apply for a TCO position. This will be my third year in a row doing it. I have found it really enjoyable and the flexi time is great

Hi, I was just wondering how flexi time works as a TCO?

delricyo

emalou wrote: »

Hi, I was just wondering how flexi time works as a TCO?

Same as it works for permanent staff

cvb03

emalou wrote: »

Hi, I was just wondering how flexi time works as a TCO?

It means you can work up 7.24 hours and take a day a month if you have the time worked up. You can clock in between 8 and 10 am in the mornings, or else 7 - 10am . It depends what department you are in.

cailin06

wexford awake wrote: »

You will get a call for an interview, either to be most likely held in the Public App Service in Dublin, or you might get lucky and it could be on in your own County. Interview was always just a formality, and you can't really fail it. Some people have said that it's changed this year, but I don't think so. Anyway after interview you just have to wait and see if your OOM is reached for a job. You might only get three months term time, or you could be lucky and get longer like maternity. Some people have been given extentions in contracts that can last a few years. The luck of the dice really. A good OOM just means you'll get a job faster, but someone with a worse OOM could get a better contract. It's all luck really. Best of luck xxxx

Thanks a million for that. I guess it's a case of sit tight and wait for now then :cool:

wexford awake

HauntedGhost wrote: »

Would any recommend the TCO to a person just out of college?[/quote

No reason why not. It will give you a taste of whether you would like to pursue a career in the public or Civil servive

Mala1313

HauntedGhost wrote: »

Would any recommend the TCO to a person just out of college?

Definitely. Great work experience. Also good to get references if you think of office job in future and looks good on CV.

Iwouldinmesack

I think the order of merit thing is a load of bollix. I've answered the questions the same way last few years, and each time the order of merit was different. One time was in low 20s, other time was high 90s and another high 600s . Makes no sense to me at all.:pac:

November Golf

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

I think the order of merit thing is a load of bollix. I've answered the questions the same way last few years, and each time the order of merit was different. One time was in low 20s, other time was high 90s and another high 600s . Makes no sense to me at all.:pac:

To be first on the OOM you dont need a score of 800/800, you just need to have the best score of the group.

If you answered all the questions the exact same each time, you should get the exact same score (ie:600/800). What is changing is the people your up against and the scores they are achieving.

Yamanoto

ali1993 wrote: »

did really well with my results, a lot better than I thought I would! But now I am a bit scared because it means I might be called for interview soon and I will have to make a decision(if im lucky!)

I'm currently 9 months into a permanent CO job but... I applied for this because I wanted to get a job closer to home, and also I don't really like where I am. Commute wise it's costing me a fortune and very time consuming. I'm also on a panel for the CO 2018 campaign to try get closer to home in the long run. I was thinking if i got a temporary co job to cover me until I got through on the CO 2018 campaign.

Am I mad leaving a permanent job for a temp job? It would make my life so much easier being closer to home.

That'd be an idiotic move, to put it bluntly.

Apply for a position closer to home via the Civil Service Mobility Scheme & wait for a transfer or accept an offer off the 2018 CO panel.

Iwouldinmesack

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

To be first on the OOM you dont need a score of 800/800, you just need to have the best score of the group.

If you answered all the questions the exact same each time, you should get the exact same score (ie:600/800). What is changing is the people your up against and the scores they are achieving.

By over 500 places? Bit fishy. I work in the civil service now btw. Majority of people in there think its a ridiculous way of recruiting, but the ones in power seem to know better.

Xenji

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

I think the order of merit thing is a load of bollix. I've answered the questions the same way last few years, and each time the order of merit was different. One time was in low 20s, other time was high 90s and another high 600s . Makes no sense to me at all.:pac:

The scenarios and your experience is what matters the most, its very easy to stay in the top 30 year after year in your county if you are outside of Dublin, also screenshot your answers as the scenarios often get repeated, last year they were nearly identical to the 2016 scenarios.

Iwouldinmesack

Xenji wrote: »

The scenarios and your experience is what matters the most, its very easy to stay in the top 30 year after year in your county if you are outside of Dublin, also screenshot your answers as the scenarios often get repeated, last year they were nearly identical to the 2016 scenarios.

Not true at all. I'm outside Dublin and that def did not happen.

Xenji

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

Not true at all. I'm outside Dublin and that def did not happen.

The majority of the scenarios where different this year, if you are doing everything the same, that is where you must of gone down this time if you dropped nearly 500 positions, its a huge drop.

November Golf

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

By over 500 places? Bit fishy. I work in the civil service now btw. Majority of people in there think its a ridiculous way of recruiting, but the ones in power seem to know better.

I dont know what county you choose, i doubt there is even 500 in mine but it is what it is... i would agree its a ridiclous way of recruiting especially because i dont feel experience or qualifications are given much consideration particularly when determining who gets the longer contracts.

The whole TCO programme is costly exercise, the amount of time and resourses spent training people in for 10 weeks contracts and once they get confident in the work and the job kicking them out again and bring a new person in to start the process again.

n!ghtmancometh

TCO's are just used as cover for maternity and term time leave where I work. We don't bother training them on complicated things anymore because they'll be gone in 3 months time. Mainly used for catching up on filing and that sort of craic.

We had one TCO a few years back who caught on after a few days to the crappy complicated financial software we use, and was a great asset to our team, but was still gone after 12 weeks. Was especially crap as the person they were covering for was a lifer who does the bare minimum.

336699

Eod100 wrote: »

I think someone was saying they have changed it so that it's competency based?

As stated in the information booklet, the interview for this campaign has changed. It is now a competitive competency based interview, you will be marked on a number of competencies and need to achieve a minimum mark in all competencies to pass and be considered for a position.

CandyCane_81

I don’t know, it would be very time consuming to interview everyone for 30 minutes and then rank us. Considering they are temporary positions and pas have enough on their plate with permanent campaigns.

November Golf

Daydreamer94 wrote: »

I don’t know, it would be very time consuming to interview everyone for 30 minutes and then rank us. Considering they are temporary positions and pas have enough on their plate with permanent campaigns.

Last year was a non-competitive (Pass/Fail) interview of about 10 minutes, testing on 4 of 6 competencies.

If it is competitive this year, I would imagine it will be the same format except perhaps you might have two people in the room. If they call in batches of 20/30 candidates at a time, you will only be able to jump up or down by the number in your batch (unlikely to be significant) & of course I would imagine that the standard of answers (i.e: qualifying mark) will be a lot lower than they would expect in the permanent CO campaign.

First batch interviews will probably be called in the next week or so. It will be interesting to see what they says invite to interview.

Mr lebowski

If you have completed a tco contract or are currently in a role do you still have to attend the interview?. I thought I read last year if you have done it before you just need a letter from your employer?. Is this correct. Thanks

wexford awake

Mr lebowski wrote: »

If you have completed a tco contract or are currently in a role do you still have to attend the interview?. I thought I read last year if you have done it before you just need a letter from your employer?. Is this correct. Thanks

Yes you do. It's a totally seperate campaign. If you want a contract off the 2019 panel yes you have to. If the Dept you are currently in extends your contract that is different. It's a pure balls really. Also I found the TCO 2019 Booklet that saved on my phone, and yes this year's interview is competitive. So it's not just the ten minute informal chat 🙄

jules5417

The interview is no different from last year. I filled in a form last year and was asked to demonstrate when i showed xyand z. Still only 15 mins chat. The reason it isnt like the CO panel interview is that our oom numbers do not change, you just get offer of job.

Dublintigger

jules5417 wrote: »

The interview is no different from last year. I filled in a form last year and was asked to demonstrate when i showed xyand z. Still only 15 mins chat. The reason it isnt like the CO panel interview is that our oom numbers do not change, you just get offer of job.

Hiya - Have you done this years TCO interview? It does say the process is changing.

wexford awake

jules5417 wrote: »

The interview is no different from last year. I filled in a form last year and was asked to demonstrate when i showed xyand z. Still only 15 mins chat. The reason it isnt like the CO panel interview is that our oom numbers do not change, you just get offer of job.

No I applied last year. This is my 3rd time in fact and no this was not part of previous TCO. It even says your order of merit will change after interview. That never happened before.

jules5417

Can you send me link for the booklet 2019 please