Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

kksaints

Did Tilke do Istanbul also? That was a very interesting track particularly turn 8.

Darkglasses

kksaints wrote: »

Did Tilke do Istanbul also? That was a very interesting track particularly turn 8.

Yes, one of his best I thought.

I thought India was a great design as well.

Infoanon

Burkie1203 wrote: »

The other thing about Sundays race was it was an old school race track.

In name only....

Gamb!t

I wonder does Daniel Ricciardo regret moving from Red Bull ?

Harika

flazio wrote: »

I think the tarmac run offs were made for motorcycles rather then cars I think I remember Charlie Whiting saying.

They were made for spectators as everyone prefers 20 cars on track compared to 6. A car beached in the sand was out while on tarmac they could continue. The advertisers also prefer their cars running compared to out and not shown.

Infoanon

Harika wrote: »

flazio wrote: »

I think the tarmac run offs were made for motorcycles rather then cars I think I remember Charlie Whiting saying.

They were made for spectators as everyone prefers 20 cars on track compared to 6. A car beached in the sand was out while on tarmac they could continue. The advertisers also prefer their cars running compared to out and not shown.

Made for moto gp - think it was Seb at the weekend that referenced it.

Reality is the circuits make more from Moto GP so are willing to cater to their needs.
Silverstone / Barcelona are among the most recent circuits to make changes for moto gp

Harika

Infoanon wrote: »

Made for moto gp - think it was Seb at the weekend that referenced it.

Reality is the circuits make more from Moto GP so are willing to cater to their needs.
Silverstone / Barcelona are among the most recent circuits to make changes for moto gp

Also true. The future of race track design is going to incorporate a lot more tarmac because off-line the tarmac gets dusty. So when you push the front in third gear, you end up in the gravel trap. If you just slide on tarmac that's better, so long as the leathers hold up..." Kenny Roberts 2007

AMKC

I agree some of the Tilke tracks are very boring and without character but have to say I loved Malaysia and think its terrible that its not on the calendar anymore. I thought India, Istanbul and the Korea track was good too although the way Turkey is gone now probably better that F1 does not go there now. I really like the COTA at Austin track and think Sochi is decent too just don't like the Country it is in or the leader of that country.

Would love to know what has become of the tracks that are no longer on the calendar.

Infoanon

AMKC wrote: »

I agree some of the Tilke tracks are very boring and without character but have to say I loved Malaysia and think its terrible that its not on the calendar anymore. I thought India, Istanbul and the Korea track was good too although the way Turkey is gone now probably better that F1 does not go there now. I really like the COTA at Austin track and think Sochi is decent too just don't like the Country it is in or the leader of that country.

Would love to know what has become of the tracks that are no longer on the calendar.

There's lots of videos up on you tube of old circuits.
The Indian circuit is still in situ and well maintained - along with the motor ways build especially for the event - alas India tax laws got in the way.

meeeeh

I've been to Turkey and while good on tv it was terrible track to get to. Istanbul is great city but the traffic there is insane. If you expect people to go to the track also on Saturday and Friday you have to make it more attractive than staying in the city.

mickdw

I see judge in rich energy case has ordered that they produce documentation re total sales where cans carried the logo, all income, outgoings etc Including payments to Haas etc.
I believe it's to assess any compensation due to whyte bikes.

Should get very interesting.

H3llR4iser

mickdw wrote: »

I see judge in rich energy case has ordered that they produce documentation re total sales where cans carried the logo, all income, outgoings etc Including payments to Haas etc.
I believe it's to assess any compensation due to whyte bikes.

Should get very interesting.

Actually, that's not great at all, I can't understand how a company like HAAS could get drawn into such a tar pit; It's a huge industrial automation company that's been around for 36 years, they should be more than capable to smell out a fishy business. I guess that's what happens when you let the sales department go on about their bonuses unchecked...

flazio

Please Christian, this guy would be brilliant at Red Bull.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/41802/mercedes-prepared-to-cut-ties-with-ocon/

muckwarrior

flazio wrote: »

Please Christian, this guy would be brilliant at Red Bull.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/41802/mercedes-prepared-to-cut-ties-with-ocon/

Not sure if they'd chance that after Brazil last year Apart from that though, I think Ocon would make sense for Red Bull. I don't think he'd ever beat Max, but he'd be a pretty close number 2 I reckon.

Harika

Silly season intensifies, the vettel retirement is not going away. His family is pushing him.
Ricciardo has a clause in his contract to head off to Mercedes or ferrari if they knock. Bottas is also in contention.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/41816/williams-to-ditch-mercedes-engine-in-favour-of-renault/

An article suggesting Williams is considering a switch to Renault engines.

I was thinking about this the other day. Williams is strapped for cash so it is unusual for them to have the most expensive and best engine. They’re so far off the pace their engine is clearly not the problem. Much better to get a more affordable engine and work in the chassis which obviously needs work. The car is so uncompetitive that it makes zero sense to pay for mercs.

On the other hand they could be angling for a better deal from Mercedes. Maybe even get Ocon as a pay driver.

AMKC

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/41816/williams-to-ditch-mercedes-engine-in-favour-of-renault/

An article suggesting Williams is considering a switch to Renault engines.

I was thinking about this the other day. Williams is strapped for cash so it is unusual for them to have the most expensive and best engine. They’re so far off the pace their engine is clearly not the problem. Much better to get a more affordable engine and work in the chassis which obviously needs work. The car is so uncompetitive that it makes zero sense to pay for mercs.

On the other hand they could be angling for a better deal from Mercedes. Maybe even get Ocon as a pay driver.

Maybe its Honda engines they should look at getting if Honda are up for supplying a third team. There is very little between the Honda and Renault engines now and I would even go so far as to say the Honda is now more reliable and more powerful. I was reading on article the other day about how they have taken some inspiration from the the Honda jet engine to make the turbo fan in there F1 work as well better as the MGU-H and K. It has just taken 2 years to get it done but they are now doing it so that win by Max at the Austrian race track might not be just a one off.

El_Duderino 09

AMKC wrote: »

Maybe its Honda engines they should look at getting if Honda are up for supplying a third team. There is very little between the Honda and Renault engines now and I would even go so far as to say the Honda is now more reliable and more powerful. I was reading on article the other day about how they have taken some inspiration from the the Honda jet engine to make the turbo fan in there F1 work as well better as the MGU-H and K. It has just taken 2 years to get it done but they are now doing it so that win by Max at the Austrian race track might not be just a one off.

Im delighted to see Honda’s latest engine work better. I heard about that jet engine technology In the context of cost caps and how difficult they would be to implement when Honda has jet engine technology branches to draw on (though cost caps are definitely needed) but that’s another discussion.

I don’t think Honda has made that much of a leap yet but it could put them on a rich development seam. So you could be right over the medium term.

El_Duderino 09

https://news.sky.com/story/i-would-take-a-bullet-for-vladimir-putin-says-ex-f1-chief-bernie-ecclestone-11759373
Bernie is some man. Bit off topic but what a crazy old git. 'Putin should run Europe' was one of the highlights.

AMKC

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/i-would-take-a-bullet-for-vladimir-putin-says-ex-f1-chief-bernie-ecclestone-11759373
Bernie is some man. Bit off topic but what a crazy old git. 'Putin should run Europe' was one of the highlights.

He is a fecking idiot if he really thinks that. I suppose he think's the so called President in America is doing a good job too. Putin must have brain washed him. Am glad he is not running F1 anymore.

PopePalpatine

Attention seeker seeks attention. More at 6:01.

Jordan 199

Sainz and Norris to stay at McLaren for next season.

Anjobe

New 5 year deal for the British GP at Silverstone - https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-to-race-in-silverstone-for-the-next-five-years.2bCXQYAF6TBe2S3P7Bbrc7.html

d8491prj5boyvg

Anjobe wrote: »

New 5 year deal for the British GP at Silverstone - https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-to-race-in-silverstone-for-the-next-five-years.2bCXQYAF6TBe2S3P7Bbrc7.html

Good news, although probably never in doubt. Silverstone is (was?) a great circuit.

Nic_Col

So that's 20 races confirmed for next year. Spanish, German and Mexican GP's still not confirmed, can't see an expansion to 23 races so at least one of those will probably get the bullet.

I hope Mexico is retained.

d8491prj5boyvg

Nic_Col wrote: »

So that's 20 races confirmed for next year. Spanish, German and Mexican GP's still not confirmed, can't see an expansion to 23 races so at least one of those will probably get the bullet.

I hope Mexico is retained.

It must be the Spanish GP that gets cut. Very boring. I'm no fan of present-day Hockenheim but surely they can't skip a German race?

pjohnson

If Barcelona is cut where will testing be moved to? Paul Ricard?

El_Duderino 09

pjohnson wrote: »

If Barcelona is cut where will testing be moved to? Paul Ricard?

Somewhere hot, please god. Testing in cold conditions that will probably never be repeated in a race, is stupid. The track is terrible for f1. Might be great hit other types of motor racing but not f1

skipper_G

21 races for next season, Spain & Germany are goners, Mexico will stay.

The testing will probably still be held in Catalunya, it's not dependent on the race being there.

Darkglasses

Is there any information out there about what changes will be made to Zandvoort, if any?

Charlie-Bravo

Testing should be banned on race tracks that are on the F1 championship calender. The teams have too much info on the track surface when they turn up during the season. Best keeping some mystery on a race weekend.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/rich_energy/status/1148994221686370304

What a bunch of absolute LOSERS. Rich energy should be brought to the cleaners for this.

pjohnson

Far more likely Whyte Bikes have already brought them to the cleaners and they cant afford to pay Haas anymore.

Darkglasses

pjohnson wrote: »

Far more likely Whyte Bikes have already brought them to the cleaners and they cant afford to pay Haas anymore.

And naturally, they were assholes about it.

Harika

Darkglasses wrote: »

And naturally, they were assholes about it.

As was predicted by everyone that it would implode

H3llR4iser

I'd soooooo like to hear Guenther Steiner's take on this

Harika

https://mobile.twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/1149011037666140160

Chris Harris finally got a can in his hands

Harika

Rumour : twitter was "hacked" to get publicity

Frank Bullitt

Frank Bullitt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Energy_Ltd.

It continues to implode. Their wiki page has been deleted.

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/1149011037666140160

Chris Harris finally got a can in his hands

Had a can last weekend and i noticed it's made in Austria. Please tell me it's made in the Red Bull factory.

It's marketing itself as a premium British brand. Its going on sale in Holton Hotels and Grosvner casinos. There's no doubt that it's just a basic energy drink. But it could make it big yet. Stranger things have happened.

Edit:hurt saw the bit about them parting with HAAS. Presumably they couldn't actually pay for the sponsorship.

Harika

Wednesday they were looking forward to the race, today they depart. Seems like Haas asked for a cheque that doesn't bounce.

mickdw

Scumbags. That kind of messing could take down an F1 team. Saying that, every man woman and child in Ireland could have told Haas to steer clear. Force India administrator saw straight through them, Williams didn't bite either so it's hard to have much sympathy for Haas.
Rich energy couldn't have such a clause re finishing near the back the odd time in the contract so I guess it's yet another lawsuit coming their way.
I guess they were a front for shady money. The whyte bikes fiasco might have put too much heat on the source of that money so the plug is pulled.
Last thing a shady business needs is a judge requesting all details of your business accounting.
It's quite funny that shady and all as they are, it's the stupidity of copying the logo that takes them down.

Infoanon

Williams where all set to sign a deal,except Rich Energy decided to talk to Gunther while Claire was stood up on a dinner meeting where the deal was supposed to be signed .....

Glico Man

https://twitter.com/aaron_harrison/status/1054301221480218624?s=19

I'll clutch that straw again if I may.

Haha, suckers!

And such an unclassy way to depart. Expected though and good riddance to the con-man, snake oil salesman in charge.

El_Duderino 09

mickdw wrote: »

Scumbags. That kind of messing could take down an F1 team. Saying that, every man woman and child in Ireland could have told Haas to steer clear. Force India administrator saw straight through them, Williams didn't bite either so it's hard to have much sympathy for Haas.
Rich energy couldn't have such a clause re finishing near the back the odd time in the contract so I guess it's yet another lawsuit coming their way.
I guess they were a front for shady money. The whyte bikes fiasco might have put too much heat on the source of that money so the plug is pulled.
Last thing a shady business needs is a judge requesting all details of your business accounting.
It's quite funny that shady and all as they are, it's the stupidity of copying the logo that takes them down.

It could be shady money. But it's just so public to sponsor a F1 team that I think its just the oldest trick in the book. I think they promised sponsorship money and hoped to get the money before the money was due. But the deals with the casino and hotel chain I mentioned were not quick enough or numerous enough to get them the money they needed.

I think Carabao energy drinks did the same thing by sponsoring sports before they actually had a product widely available. Imagine the promises they probably made to haas.

The old adage "if it seems too good to be true...."

Nic_Col

Haas should just say nothing and turn up with the usual livery with the stolen logo returned but the words rich energy replaced with Whyte Bikes.

Rich Energy have persistently behaved like scumbags, Haas will win on the double, they will no longer have to be associated with a toxic brand, and they'll successfully sue for breach of contract. Not that Rich Energy will have a dime left to pay out on any court ordered compensation of course.

Charlie-Bravo

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzxRLW-Baoq/?igshid=17jup6q0r1yaq

The Haas team have refused to comment on matters. Sounds like it's going legal big time.

flazio

Same thing in a tweet.
https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/status/1149234399982100481?s=19
Media day in Silverstone, it'll be interesting to see what the car looks like when built.

deafroadrunner

Autosport posted a story about it. Apprently the investors are trying to save the deal

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/144709/rich-energy-investors-trying-to-salvage-haas-deal