Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

flazio

I don't know who to feel more sorry for here, Hulkenberg or Kvyat. I mean, yes Kvyat still has an F1 seat for next year but it seems to be a dead end one.

El_Duderino 09

Harika wrote: »

Marko confirms final Red Bull seat for 2020 will be a two-horse race between Gasly and Albon, with Kvyat set to remain at Toro Rosso. Decision to be made after October's Mexican GP . No space for Hulk

It wasn't likely. As long as the three lads
weren't a Complete disaster. Hulk isn't young and he's not a red bull man and he's not a long term prospect. We know how good he is. He's Grand and generally reliable. 6/10 and almost always brings the car home.

So red bull would only want him if the three lads they have, were terrible and they had nobody for the second RB seat. I'd say he never had any chance of getting into the TR because it's for development and hulk doesn't have much development to do. He's pretty much the finished article at this stage.

His status as one of the more experienced drivers demands a salary that I don't think anyone had any interest in paying. He's not a huge prospect and he's not cheap. I think he'll probably have to start looking elsewhere for job. Or maybe he can get some big sponsorship.

Sheeps

When was the last time we had two competitive drivers like this at Ferrari? Amazing to watch.

Inquitus

Sheeps wrote: »

When was the last time we had two competitive drivers like this at Ferrari? Amazing to watch.

Are we still considering Vettel to be competitive

chicorytip

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Harika wrote: »

Marko confirms final Red Bull seat for 2020 will be a two-horse race between Gasly and Albon, with Kvyat set to remain at Toro Rosso. Decision to be made after October's Mexican GP . No space for Hulk

Albon basically has it as long as he doesn’t fcuk up then

Albon was six tenths adrift of Verstappen. That's not particularly bad considering Bottas was similarly adrift of Hamilton but Gasly was sacked because he could not bridge that gap in performance to Max. Albon, to date, has not really brought about any real improvement.

Cork Trucker

chicorytip wrote: »

Albon was six tenths adrift of Verstappen. That's not particularly bad considering Bottas was similarly adrift of Hamilton but Gasly was sacked because he could not bridge that gap in performance to Max. Albon, to date, has not really brought about any real improvement.

The thing with the senior team is that they’ve never demoted a driver to the junior team and then brought them back, unless I’ve missed something

Faugheen

Still think JEV is the one.

Harika

Albon cannot match Verstappen and Gasly is dominating Kyvat so far. Marko said it would be between the two who goes to RedBull. Early days still for Albon. Performancewise Ricciardo or Sainz would be best option to stay in the RedBull line. Contract wise won#t happen.

PopePalpatine

Gasly's problem was that he couldn't cut through traffic. The last thing he needed was Max as a teammate showing up that inability even more.

elperello

Inquitus wrote: »

Are we still considering Vettel to be competitive

Yes on balance, I think so.
Very close today behind Le Clerc on fire and the winner of the last two drivers world championships.

skipper_G

chicorytip wrote: »

Albon was six tenths adrift of Verstappen. That's not particularly bad considering Bottas was similarly adrift of Hamilton but Gasly was sacked because he could not bridge that gap in performance to Max. Albon, to date, has not really brought about any real improvement.

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

Cork Trucker

Ricciardo disqualified from qualifying

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11813904/daniel-ricciardo-thrown-out-of-singapore-gp-qualifying-results

Ricciardo's Renault car was found to have contravened the regulation governing how much power can be emitted by the MGU-K element of the engine. The RS19 was found to have exceeded 120kW during Q1.

El_Duderino 09

skipper_G wrote: »

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

That’s the point. Gasley has more than half a season in the red bull. So it’s not right to compare him after 12 races with Albon after 2 races. We’ll just have to wait until the end of the season and try to compare them with a decent number of races in the red bull

shamrock55

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Ricciardo disqualified from qualifying

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11813904/daniel-ricciardo-thrown-out-of-singapore-gp-qualifying-results

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

skipper_G

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

They must have zero tolerance for flouting of technical regulations. Without fear of proper penalties, the teams will look to push the boundaries beyond what's allowed. They will break every regulation they think they'll get away with.

Example: Benetton in 94 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Formula_One_cheating_controversy

El_Duderino 09

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

Yeah but if them’s the rules then they should implement them. Isn’t that what fans are always on about, Consistency?

shamrock55

skipper_G wrote: »

They must have zero tolerance for flouting of technical regulations. Without fear of proper penalties, the teams will look to push the boundaries beyond what's allowed. They will break every regulation they think they'll get away with.

Example: Benetton in 94 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Formula_One_cheating_controversy

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

El_Duderino 09

shamrock55 wrote: »

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

Yeah and if they said it’s ok, then every team would be careful to make sure they have similar glitches any time the need it.

Just implement the rules and the teams will make sure these glitches don’t occur. It hasn’t been a problem before and this penalty will make sure it stays that way. Implement the rules consistently.

skipper_G

shamrock55 wrote: »

No comparison with benton tbf, it was one micro second that was caused by a surge in power from a curb hit and caused the car to over rev,
it wasn't even intentional and gave no benefit whatsoever, plus it was recorded as his slowest lap of q 1.

If they let this one away what about the next one? And the one after that? If the technical regulations have any leeway at all teams will abuse it. That's not an opinion, it's the reality. Separate sporting and technical regulations, they are different. Technical regs are specific and measurable, apply a zero tolerance policy and there's no debate about why a decision is made. Sporting regs are open to interpretation and they are typically a talking point at every weekend.

flazio

shamrock55 wrote: »

That's a complete joke tbh, no gain whatsoever was made from it, f1 needs to cop itself on abit

Now, be honest. Had that been Mercedes-Benz that had done that, would you be singing the same song?

pyramuid man

skipper_G wrote: »

Gasly was demoted because he wasn't able to close the gap to Verstappen after 12 races. Albon has had 2, what the gap will be after a similar number of races is unknown

Add to that, Gasly had a full pre season of preparation for the senior team whereas Albon has had 2 race weekends. Albon has already shown the willingness to take risks that Gasly just wasn't.

Albon is showing an ability to adapt which Gasly doesn't appear to have. The fact that he is already performing better at Toro Rossi than he did at Red Bull.

skipper_G

pyramuid man wrote: »

Add to that, Gasly had a full pre season of preparation for the senior team whereas Albon has had 2 race weekends. Albon has already shown the willingness to take risks that Gasly just wasn't.

Yeah he's been decisive in his overtakes, something Gasly missed

shamrock55

flazio wrote: »

Now, be honest. Had that been Mercedes-Benz that had done that, would you be singing the same song?

Not sure but didn't they have some problem with fuel at wrong temp yesterday and nothing happened, I just find it a bit unfair how riccardo was penalised so harshly for something that was out of his control and had no benefit to his qualification whatsoever, it was nothing that renault had done as you put it

BDI

Five place penalty for Perez he has to go all the way down to one place ahead of the other guy in the same car as him.

Cork Trucker

Apparently Daddy Stroll is going around telling people he has done a deal for Kubica to be Third/Reserve driver next season. It's no secret they wanted him this season also.

BDI

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Apparently Daddy Stroll is going around telling people he has done a deal for Kubica to be Third/Reserve driver next season. It's no secret they wanted him this season also.

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

Cork Trucker

BDI wrote: »

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

If Stroll keeps delivering poor results it might well happen, Kubica is known to have fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car. Stroll's 4th place in Germany was mainly due to the weather and not his skill, he is a poor driver irrespective of his past results in lower formula, some will say look at both Azerbaijan when he finished 3rd or Monza wheere he qualified 4th, later 2nd, overall he isn't great, Daddy might well see something in Kubica and isn't showing his hand.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Trucker wrote: »

If Stroll keeps delivering poor results it might well happen, Kubica is known to have fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car. Stroll's 4th place in Germany was mainly due to the weather and not his skill, he is a poor driver irrespective of his past results in lower formula, some will say look at both Azerbaijan when he finished 3rd or Monza wheere he qualified 4th, later 2nd, overall he isn't great, Daddy might well see something in Kubica and isn't showing his hand.

I’ve heard this a hundred times from fans but I’ve absolutely no idea how they claim to know it. I’m sure team bosses say it but sure they have to say nice things about the drivers.

If he was so world class at this, why haven’t other teams hired him as a specialist at that? They hire totty female reserve drivers that they never intend to use in a race, so why not Kubica?

I think his fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car legend has grown along with everything else while he was out of the sport. Ive no idea whether it’s true or not. But his technical mastery grows with retelling and in the absence of any information that could possible disprove it to a fan sitting at home.

El_Duderino 09

BDI wrote: »

Sad thing is it’s likely he could end up replacing stroll if given a drive.

Lol. Stroll would wipe the floor with him. Stroll isn’t terrible. He’s just not very good. Kubica is terrible this season.

This is a classic example of Kubica getting away with being so slow because he’s well liked. Stroll is a rich kid who isn’t well liked.

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’ve heard this a hundred times from fans but I’ve absolutely no idea how they claim to know it. I’m sure team bosses say it but sure they have to say nice things about the drivers.

If he was so world class at this, why haven’t other teams hired him as a specialist at that? They hire totty female reserve drivers that they never intend to use in a race, so why not Kubica?

I think his fantastic technical knowledge/feedback/setting up the car legend has grown along with everything else while he was out of the sport. Ive no idea whether it’s true or not. But his technical mastery grows with retelling and in the absence of any information that could possible disprove it to a fan sitting at home.

I've heard Kubica can turn engine oil into wine

BDI

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. Stroll would wipe the floor with him. Stroll isn’t terrible. He’s just not very good. Kubica is terrible this season.

This is a classic example of Kubica getting away with being so slow because he’s well liked. Stroll is a rich kid who isn’t well liked.

The lad in the same car as him took a five place grid penalty this week and is still ahead of him on the podium.
Regularly a lot slower than his teammate.

El_Duderino 09

BDI wrote: »

The lad in the same car as him took a five place grid penalty this week and is still ahead of him on the podium.
Regularly a lot slower than his teammate.

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

BDI

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

I’m not saying Kubica is good, I’m saying it’s terrible he may prove better than stroll

Faugheen

BDI wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is Kubica slower than his rookie teammate. He’s not fast, he’s past his peak and got no potential to get faster and his dad didn’t but the team to make him world champion. He has absolutely no chance of getting stroll’s seat and even less chance of proving faster than Stroll.

I’m not saying Kubica is good, I’m saying it’s terrible he may prove better than stroll

He’s not better than Stroll. Not in any case.

People need to open their eyes with Kubica. It’s admirable what he’s doing but ultimately he’s just not fast.

In any case, Stroll will never be dropped from that team as long as Laurence is in charge.

shamrock55

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

uchimata83

shamrock55 wrote: »

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

I think that the smart thing to do is to risk it with the second of your cars and then see how it works out for the car ahead on the road. The championship is over, I suspect the team would prefer Charles to finish ahead, but were only concerned with the 1-2

AMKC

shamrock55 wrote: »

Good win for séb, ferrari got statagi mixed up though it seems.
Glad hulk hung on for some points too

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

Darkglasses

AMKC wrote: »

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

I wait to watch races in the evenings regularly, you'd be mad to look in this thread unless you knew the result :eek:

vectra

uchimata83 wrote: »

I think that the smart thing to do is to risk it with the second of your cars and then see how it works out for the car ahead on the road. The championship is over, I suspect the team would prefer Charles to finish ahead, but were only concerned with the 1-2

Never say never.
Resurgence in Ferrari might change things a bit.

This is it

AMKC wrote: »

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

Don't look at F1 threads if you're avoiding results, pretty silly to be honest. Posters will still be in here talking about the points gained, team issues, etc. You've no one but yourself to blame

shamrock55

AMKC wrote: »

Oh FFS. Some of us have not seen the race yet. You just ruined it for me for Fu,ck sake. Use Spoilers if you want to post in here about the race before the highlights have been shown. There is a separate thread for the race to talk about it and post what you posted here.

Sorry about that chief

Autosport

That was accident was Grosjeans fault

Harika

If you only look at the last three races, you could think that Gasly has a good shot at the red bull cockpit next year.

Anjobe

vectra wrote: »

Never say never.
Resurgence in Ferrari might change things a bit.

Get real, Hamilton is 96 pts ahead of Leclerc and 102 pts ahead of Vettel. Even if one of them wins all 6 remaining races (highly unlikely) Hamilton would win the WDC if he keeps finishing 5th or 6th.

quokula

Yeah it would really need an unprecedented streak of DNFs for Hamilton to have any chance of a title fight at this stage.

vectra

Anjobe wrote: »

Get real, Hamilton is 96 pts ahead of Leclerc and 102 pts ahead of Vettel. Even if one of them wins all 6 remaining races (highly unlikely) Hamilton would win the WDC if he keeps finishing 5th or 6th.

Would you have said Get real 5 races ago I suggested Ferrari will get 3 poles and 3 wins in a row?
All it would take is for Hamilton to have one or 2 DNF's,
And as for finishing 5th or 6th?
He would possibly have only been 5th today if Bottas wasn't told to slow down to protect him.
Who would have thought Kimi would have won in 2007 4 races from Brazil final?

As I said, Never say never.

Anjobe

vectra wrote: »

Would you have said Get real 5 races ago I suggested Ferrari will get 3 poles and 3 wins in a row?
All it would take is for Hamilton to have one or 2 DNF's,
And as for finishing 5th or 6th?
He would possibly have only been 5th today if Bottas wasn't told to slow down to protect him.
Who would have thought Kimi would have won in 2007 4 races from Brazil final?

As I said, Never say never.

Well, Singapore was a surprise but it was not unexpected that Ferrari would be in contention at Spa and Monza. Congrats to them, their car is clearly competitive at a range of circuits now but its too late for this year. Hamilton could have finished 5th, he could also have finished higher if it wasn’t for strategy calls, and Mercedes obviously decided not to shaft him the way Ferrari did to Leclerc. A couple of DNFs would certainly make things interesting, but would be almost as unlikely as one of the Ferrari drivers winning all the remaining races, and one more win for Hamilton would put him out of reach. A string of freak results cannot be completely ruled out, but without that Ferrari have zero chance of winning either the constructors or drivers champs.

Infoanon

Anjobe wrote: »

vectra wrote: »

Never say never.
Resurgence in Ferrari might change things a bit.

Get real, Hamilton is 96 pts ahead of Leclerc and 102 pts ahead of Vettel. Even if one of them wins all 6 remaining races (highly unlikely) Hamilton would win the WDC if he keeps finishing 5th or 6th.

If Ferrari thought they had any chance of winning the championship they would have swapped Vettel and Leclerc around today

El_Duderino 09

vectra wrote: »

Would you have said Get real 5 races ago I suggested Ferrari will get 3 poles and 3 wins in a row?
All it would take is for Hamilton to have one or 2 DNF's,
And as for finishing 5th or 6th?
He would possibly have only been 5th today if Bottas wasn't told to slow down to protect him.
Who would have thought Kimi would have won in 2007 4 races from Brazil final?

As I said, Never say never.

One dnf would close only a quarter of the gap.

It would take 4 dnfs and either max or Charles to win all those 4 races to even draw with him with 2 races left. They’re both on 200 points to Hamilton on 296.

The championship is over. There’s a good chance that if Hamilton didn’t take part in the rest of the season and still win the championship.

He’ll probably win another few of the remaining races and wrap it up in a couple of races time.

vectra

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

One dnf would close only a quarter of the gap.

It would take 4 dnfs and either max or Charles to win all those 4 races to even draw with him with 2 races left. They’re both on 200 points to Hamilton on 296.

The championship is over. There’s a good chance that if Hamilton didn’t take part in the rest of the season and still win the championship.

He’ll probably win another few of the remaining races and wrap it up in a couple of races time.

More than likely,
But, nobody can foresee the future.