Why is the Communist Party of Ireland unpopular?

Annasopra

frosty123 wrote: »

we have SF to fill the marxist/communist void in this country

This is just hilarious guff. SF are neither marxist nor communist.

Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

Aren't parties over the years such the United Left Alliance, The Workers Party, EirigAnti Austerity Alliance, PBP, Solidarity and Sinn Fein (to some extent) basically the same thing.

No.

Harry Palmr

Ireland is full of daft one man "communist" parties - the market is flooded, no point in the actual Communist Party even trying.

Annasopra

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yeah maybe not communism but some system that tempers greed rather than rewards it. Saying 'humans are naturally greedy' is a good reason not to facilitate that nature via a purely capitalist system.

There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

whisky_galore

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

We can ignore thousands of years of peoples and nations battering the crap out of each other for resources, and hoarding and profiteering in times of shortages.

markodaly

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

Humans by their nature are self-interested. There is a mountain of peer-reviewed evidence to back this up.

Yer Da sells Avon

markodaly wrote: »

Humans by their nature are self-interested. There is a mountain of peer-reviewed evidence to back this up.

Then why did one of my neighbours knock on my door last week to tell me I had left my car lights on?

Could it have been that he wanted to steal it later, and it was no use to him without a functioning battery? The bastard.

Mad_maxx

DS86DS wrote: »

I can't stand people wearing Che Guevara t-shirts.

He's portrayed as some noble revolutionary who fought for a better for life for the people. When in reality the truth is that he was a vicious and calculated murderer who put a bullet in anybody who dared got on his wrong side.


https://youtu.be/KdKJ-jHU2UE

He was prepared to kill in order to achieve his aims, many capitalists were and are the same.

The problem with communism is the level of control required, turns people into non human digits.

skooterblue2

Ubi feles est? wrote: »

If the above were to happen, Ireland would become the first properly communist country in history.

As opposed to the USSR, Peoples Republic of China, half of Africa, Venezuela, Chile, East Germany Romania, Poland, Belarus, parts of West Asia etc etc......

Sure I would be all for it. I have a list of people for the new re-education camp I am planning in Monaghan..... academics, traitors business men, teenage and student counter revolutionaries...... oh my list goes on!!! Then on to sieze the farms and raise funds.

All going well I will have my socialist Utopia by next year. Oh and I am going to have to print some currency as well. Anyone who questions my authority is obviously a capitalist agitator

markodaly

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Then why did one of my neighbours knock on my door last week to tell me I had left my car lights on?

Could it have been that he wanted to steal it later, and it was no use to him without a functioning battery? The bastard.

Maybe he did that because you granted him a favor previously or that he hoped you would do the same for him. Pure 100% altruism is debatable but the nuance is lost on you I think.

Yer Da sells Avon

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe he did that because you granted him a favor previously or that he hoped you would do the same for him. Pure 100% altruism is debatable but the nuance is lost on you I think.

"He hoped you would do the same for him" - Now we're getting dangerously close to the idea that most people have a tendency to treat others as they would wish to be treated themselves. The desire for reciprocity is certainly not 100% altruistic, but it contradicts the capitalistic idea that we're all out for what we can get and have no desire to look out for each other.

Bobtheman

topmanamillion wrote: »

The other is China with 1.3 billion people + 100 million more in Vietnam!

I don't know what Russia would call itself but its not a democracy and there's an awful lot of state involvement in private business. Plus they have a "president" for life.

China is a commuist nation in name only

markodaly

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

but it contradicts the capitalistic idea that we're all out for what we can get and have no desire to look out for each other.

Who said that was a capitalist idea?

Yer Da sells Avon

markodaly wrote: »

Who said that was a capitalist idea?

People's supposed inherent selfishness is regularly trotted out as weak way of excusing Capitalism.

MFPM

DS86DS wrote: »

I can't stand people wearing Che Guevara t-shirts.

He's portrayed as some noble revolutionary who fought for a better for life for the people. When in reality the truth is that he was a vicious and calculated murderer who put a bullet in anybody who dared got on his wrong side.


https://youtu.be/KdKJ-jHU2UE

Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.

markodaly

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

People's supposed inherent selfishness is regularly trotted out as weak way of excusing Capitalism.

Excusing capitalism? What's better? For its faults, capitalism is the best we have got at the moment.

If capitalism was so terrible and inherently bad, while do we as humans still base our world around it? Like other ism's we would have gotten rid of it if it did not serve our needs.

Capitalism is not a zero-sum game. You mentioned reciprocity earlier. Two nations/humans can benefit if they trade with one another. Ireland is a prime example of this.

Mongfinder General

MFPM wrote: »

Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.

Guevara was a Cnut. He killed thousands of innocent people and had a particular disdain for homosexuals.

rossie1977

Bobtheman wrote: »

China is a commuist nation in name only

China is a strange mix of communism/capitalism. Beijing feels communist while cities like Shanghai/Chengdu feel more capitalist.

I don't think any modern socia-capitalist country could grow at the rapid rate China has the past two decades. If the Chinese government says something is to be built, it's built and very quickly.

In the west major projects struggle to get off the ground, in China they build vast metro systems, huge skyscrapers and thousands of miles off high speed train networks without batting an eyelid.

P_1

markodaly wrote: »

Excusing capitalism? What's better? For its faults, capitalism is the best we have got at the moment.

If capitalism was so terrible and inherently bad, while do we as humans still base our world around it? Like other ism's we would have gotten rid of it if it did not serve our needs.

Capitalism is not a zero-sum game. You mentioned reciprocity earlier. Two nations/humans can benefit if they trade with one another. Ireland is a prime example of this.

Capitalism isn't bad, profit isnt the devil. However neoliberalism capitalism has served to make obscene profits for a minority though. That's an issue

fiveleavesleft

Bobtheman wrote: »

China is a commuist nation in name only

So why all this hubbub in this thread over the CPI?

If the little CPI which is essentially a bookshop can cause such a stir & fret here, yet China which is transforming the world is Communist in "name only" can be passed of with such equanimity. It's odd.

fiveleavesleft

rossie1977 wrote: »

China is a strange mix of communism/capitalism. Beijing feels communist while cities like Shanghai/Chengdu feel more capitalist.

I don't think any modern socia-capitalist country could grow at the rapid rate China has the past two decades. If the Chinese government says something is to be built, it's built and very quickly.

In the west major projects struggle to get off the ground, in China they build vast metro systems, huge skyscrapers and thousands of miles off high speed train networks without batting an eyelid.

Those loony lefties.

Hotblack Desiato

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yeah, it was great times. You could have been employed in the mass state controlled media, or thrust into the employment of the KGB to spread terror and suppress the population, or maybe an officer in the Gulag where you get to witness the suffering of many people who dared to exert freedom of speech against the government. Ah, nostalgic.

Or enslaved in the salt mines, or imprisoned then put to work in forced labour welding chair frames for IKEA (this did happen to political dissidents in East Germany.)

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

So why all this hubbub in this thread over the CPI?

If the little CPI which is essentially a bookshop can cause such a stir & fret here, yet China which is transforming the world is Communist in "name only" can be passed of with such equanimity. It's odd.

I don't think there's much 'hubbub' about CPI in the thread at all. The discussion is about why people don't or won't vote for a Communist Party. Nobody's too concerned about them.

Hotblack Desiato

MFPM wrote: »

Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.

You're right, there's no need to look at poxy alt-right websites to know that Che Guevara was an evil murdering cúnt.

Hotblack Desiato

emptyhouse2222 wrote: »

to be fair to the commies
they have one good point about divvying up the land of ireland and giving every citizen 5 acres
that would be amazing, instead of living on top of each other in horrible estates everyone has their own little 5 acre patch

This is quite literally the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

I've no interest in becoming a half-starved subsistence farmer thanks very much.

fiveleavesleft

Langston Nervous Rave wrote: »

I don't think there's much 'hubbub' about CPI in the thread at all. The discussion is about why people don't or won't vote for a Communist Party. Nobody's too concerned about them.

Indeed, but there is concern for the real Communists the ever growing Sinn Fein:rolleyes:. Its all nonsense.

Mongfinder General

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

This is quite literally the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

I've no interest in becoming a half-starved subsistence farmer thanks very much.

Sure look at Zimbabwe. What could go wrong?

oceanman

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There is no evidence that humans are naturally greedy by the way

greed is the desire to attain my than you need to get by, so I would say there is ample evidence..

CinemaGuy45

Fann Linn

fiveleavesleft wrote: »

Indeed, but there is concern for the real Communists the ever growing Sinn Fein:rolleyes:. Its all nonsense.

The way FG are throwing out cash to SW recipents at the expense of the employed its hard to see the difference.

Outlaw Pete

I'd kill a communist for fun, but for a green card, I'd carve him up real nice.

RobertKK

For communism to rule a country you need to do away with democracy.
People oppressed so they fear taking action against their oppressive rulers.
Then one is left with the people who believe in communism, those in positions of power and authority, and the really stupid people that every society has.
Vast majority just hope want the stupidity to end.
In Vietnam for example, peaceful protesters get long prison sentences if they advocate for political change.

I think the vast majority of Irish people don't want to go down that route.

ToddyDoody

Ubi feles est? wrote: »

As above.

Also, why do they not field candidates at elections?

Sinn Fein is the Irish version.

oceanman

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Sinn Fein is the Irish version.

sinn fein couldn't be further from a communist party.

Bobtheman

MFPM wrote: »

Posting a link to an alt right youtube channel isn't exactly objective evidence, you are aware of that? Next thing you'll be telling us African Americans are inferior to white Americans and linking to the KKK as proof.

Every revolutionary takes power through the Barrell of a gun whether they are suit wearing Catholics like Michael Collins or bandana motorcycle riders like che quevara. They all end up leaving a trail of bodies behind. It's the way of the world

Bobtheman

Communism as a form of government totally discredited. Marx is useful to study economics but most economists are just good at telling you what happened not what's going to happen

Terry

Communism will never work because people are greedy, both for money, and for power.
Democratic socialism is probably the best we can do until replicators are invented.

Atoms for Peace

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I'd kill a communist for fun, but for a green card, I'd carve him up real nice.

You know what capitalism is? Getting ****ed!

sheesh

the communist party is not popular here. that is why they don't field candidates.

obvious really

DS86DS

Bobtheman wrote: »

China is a commuist nation in name only

That's what they say about all Communist countries, past and present.

"It wasn't the real Communism."