Gender equality in exam question

Zenify

There's a question in a recent C.S.P.E. exam which starts of stating that Male soccer players get paid more than female soccer players. The question then asks what is your opinion? Explain your point of view.

A student answered it by saying:

Male soccer has a bigger audience of both Males and females and can therefore afford to pay more from advertising revenue.

It's a 3 mark question. How many Mark's would you give the student? I'm not the teacher btw, I just found it very interesting.

igCorcaigh

Valid, as an explanation.

mulbot

Zenify wrote: »

There's a question in a recent C.S.P.E. exam which starts of stating that Male soccer players get paid more than female soccer players. The question then asks what is your opinion? Explain your point of view.

A student answered it by saying:

Male soccer has a bigger audience of both Males and females and can therefore afford to pay more from advertising revenue.

It's a 3 mark question. How many Mark's would you give the student? I'm not the teacher btw, I just found it very interesting.

Full mark, as it's the truth.

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Rubberchikken

full marks. its accurate.a lot more people watch male soccer than female. same with rugby. at wimbledon tje mens finals probably draw a bigger audience.

suicide_circus

Zenify wrote: »

It's a 3 mark question. How many Mark's would you give the student?

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biko

How is this about gender equality, unless you subscribe to equality of outcome.

Yer Da sells Avon

Zenify wrote: »

There's a question in a recent C.S.P.E. exam which starts of stating that Male soccer players get paid more than female soccer players. The question then asks what is your opinion? Explain your point of view.

A student answered it by saying:

Male soccer has a bigger audience of both Males and females and can therefore afford to pay more from advertising revenue.

It's a 3 mark question. How many Mark's would you give the student? I'm not the teacher btw, I just found it very interesting.

My answer would be:

Female soccer players get paid less than male soccer players because they play against female players, who are smaller and therefore easier to play against than male players. Male players, on the other hand, get paid more because they have to play against male players, who are bigger and therefore more difficult to play against than female players.

Zenify

The teacher had asked my opinion on it and I said at least 2 marks but he is only giving 1. Just wanted to see what others thought.

mulbot

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher had asked my opinion on it and I said at least 2 marks but he is only giving 1. Just wanted to see what others thought.

Did the Teacher explain why?

CinemaGuy45

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher had asked my opinion on it and I said at least 2 marks but he is only giving 1. Just wanted to see what others thought.

He must be a left-wing Liberal nightmare for the students.:rolleyes:

That answer was factually correct.

Tauriel

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher had asked my opinion on it and I said at least 2 marks but he is only giving 1. Just wanted to see what others thought.

Wouldn't 3 marks require three different points/examples?

You only gave one point hence the one mark.

Zenify

Not at all a left-wing liberal, I'd say its because they probably focus on fixing inequality in class and not on justifying it (I'm not saying there is inequality). That's just my guess. I think the question isn't worded right. The section of the book is gender inequality.

Zenify

mustang shelly wrote: »

Wouldn't 3 marks require three different points/examples?

You only gave one point hence the one mark.

I'm not the student here but I suppose I'll have to except that due to my spelling errors.

_Kaiser_

Zenify wrote: »

Not at all a left-wing liberal, I'd say its because they probably focus on fixing inequality in class and not on justifying it (I'm not saying there is inequality). That's just my guess. I think the question isn't worded right. The section of the book is gender inequality.

There is no inequality in the subject raised. It's supply and demand. More people want to watch male soccer players and so they get paid more to keep them at the club/in the league

The entire topic, in the context of a modern first-world nation, is subjective.

Your teacher friend is letting his own personal bias influence what was a factually correct answer and if he can't view it objectively he should excuse himself from marking the papers.

Kidchameleon

I feel sorry for students these days. That question and the marking scheme were designed to create NPC's. The only way to get full marks is to give an answer that is factually incorrect and/or that the student does not believe. Brainwashing by the state.

biko

Ask your teacher to promote more women in farming, forestry, waste handling and mining.

orourkeda1977

Zenify wrote: »

There's a question in a recent C.S.P.E. exam which starts of stating that Male soccer players get paid more than female soccer players. The question then asks what is your opinion? Explain your point of view.

A student answered it by saying:

Male soccer has a bigger audience of both Males and females and can therefore afford to pay more from advertising revenue.

It's a 3 mark question. How many Mark's would you give the student? I'm not the teacher btw, I just found it very interesting.

3. Thats what happens.

CinemaGuy45

biko wrote: »

Ask your teacher to promote more women in farming, forestry, waste handling and mining.

Wound not bother to engage with this deranged asshat, to be honest.

A good old dose of turbolax in his coffee might do the trick.:D

Edit that is a joke by the way just in case any joyless lefties take me seriously.

CinemaGuy45

biko wrote: »

Ask your teacher to promote more women in farming, forestry, waste handling and mining.

Never heard a feminist complain about the term binmen funny that.

orourkeda1977

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I feel sorry for students these days. That question and the marking scheme were designed to create NPC's. The only way to get full marks is to give an answer that is factually incorrect and/or that the student does not believe. Brainwashing by the state.

There was always a little of that going on. Not as bad as it is now but it did happen.

Just a simple example.

I wanted to be a journalist and had to do honours English.

If you were answering a question on Shakespeare or poetry your teacher would give you a prepared answer or suggest a way of answering it.

Thinking for your self wasn't really an option

Zenify

The teacher did state that the answer is completely factually correct. He just knows that's not the answer the question wanted. I think he's trying to do what he is supposed to do and not what he believes.

CinemaGuy45

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher did state that the answer is completely factually correct. He just knows that's not the answer the question wanted. I think he's trying to do what he is supposed to do and not what he believes.

orourkeda1977

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher did state that the answer is completely factually correct. He just knows that's not the answer the question wanted. I think he's trying to do what he is supposed to do and not what he believes.

If a student provides an answer that is factually accurate how can you possiby deduct them marks.

i dont get it

CinemaGuy45

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

If a student provides an answer that is factually accurate how can you possiby deduct them marks.

i dont get it

By living in a crazy time in a crazy nation.

Yer Da sells Avon

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

If a student provides an answer that is factually accurate how can you possiby deduct them marks.

i dont get it

Used to often happen to me when I'd look up the answer at the back of my maths book, rather than working it out properly with all the numbers and letters 'n stuff.

namloc1980

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher did state that the answer is completely factually correct. He just knows that's not the answer the question wanted. I think he's trying to do what he is supposed to do and not what he believes.

What's the approved textbook answer? Failing to mention the "patriarchy" loses marks no doubt.

The student's reply isn't really an opinion though, is it? It's a statement as to why the difference in money exists, and it's a valid point but if they didn't reinforce it with something like "therefore I don't believe this inequality is a matter of discrimination against women but simply a matter of supply and demand" then I can understand why it wouldn't get the full three marks.

But sure, it's easier to just believe that it's part of a big leftie-liberal conspiracy and that any answer other than "DATS NOT FAYR CUZ DEY SHUD ALL B DA SAYM" is marked down because men are obviously evil.

Although, with that said, it's fair to say that the teacher is not approaching it in the right way if this bit is true:

"The teacher did state that the answer is completely factually correct. He just knows that's not the answer the question wanted. I think he's trying to do what he is supposed to do and not what he believes."

Hercule Poirot

The simple fact is that's there way more money in men's soccer, therefore the wages are higher - if women's soccer generated the same amount of money then they would be earning similar - it's basic economics and has feck all to do with gender

the_pen_turner

Deleted User wrote: »

The student's reply isn't really an opinion though, is it? It's a statement as to why the difference in money exists, and it's a valid point but if they didn't reinforce it with something like "therefore I don't believe this inequality is a matter of discrimination against women but simply a matter of supply and demand" then I can understand why it wouldn't get the full three marks.

But sure, it's easier to just believe that it's part of a big leftie-liberal conspiracy and that any answer other than "DATS NOT FAYR CUZ DEY SHUD ALL B DA SAYM" is marked down because men are obviously evil.

why not explain that then

igCorcaigh

The real lesson learned:

See the world as it actually is, not how you want it to be.

CinemaGuy45

Deleted User wrote: »

The student's reply isn't really an opinion though, is it? It's a statement as to why the difference in money exists, and it's a valid point but if they didn't reinforce it with something like "therefore I don't believe this inequality is a matter of discrimination against women but simply a matter of supply and demand" then I can understand why it wouldn't get the full three marks.

But sure, it's easier to just believe that it's part of a big leftie-liberal conspiracy and that any answer other than "DATS NOT FAYR CUZ DEY SHUD ALL B DA SAYM" is marked down because men are obviously evil.

I believe it what reason do I have to doubt it.

pickarooney

The answer is a bit short and doesn't cover the full scope of the question.
I don't know what age group this is for but 1 seems reasonable enough. I'd give it 1.5

pleas advice

Love to see a 3 point answer

Cee-Jay-Cee

Zenify wrote: »

The teacher had asked my opinion on it and I said at least 2 marks but he is only giving 1. Just wanted to see what others thought.

The question asks for the persons opinion. How can their opinion be wrong???? If they gave their opinion regardless of what it is then they have completed the task asked of them and should be given 3 marks.

The person marking the paper is clearly as ass.

ctrl-alt-delete

Full marks for having an opinion and explaining it.

CinemaGuy45

pleas advice wrote: »

Love to see a 3 point answer

Please, I just had my supper.

Captain Obvious

1 mark. He didn't give an opinion as he was asked but he gave a fact that would have supported an opinion.

igCorcaigh

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The question asks for the persons opinion. How can their opinion be wrong???? If they gave their opinion regardless of what it is then they have completed the task asked of them and should be given 3 marks.

The person marking the paper is clearly as ass.

Yeah, an opinion is valued for its logic of argument, not for whether the marker agrees with it. Right?

igCorcaigh

Captain Obvious wrote: »

1 mark. He didn't give an opinion as he was asked but he gave a fact that would have supported an opinion.

Fair point actually...

CinemaGuy45

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Fair point actually...

Yes if this student had given an opinion he probably would have been suspended.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Captain Obvious wrote: »

1 mark. He didn't give an opinion as he was asked but he gave a fact that would have supported an opinion.

The question asked for his opinion and he gave his answer. Does he have to say ‘In my opinion....’ in order to get full marks? Surely by writing anything whether fact or not implies that it’s their opinion.

pickarooney

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The question asked for his opinion and he gave his answer. Does he have to say ‘In my opinion....’ in order to get full marks? Surely by writing anything whether fact or not implies that it’s their opinion.

The development of the argument is where the points are scored.

'This sucks' or 'this is great' are opinions but essentially worthless ones.

Again, I don't know what age the students are but a 3 point answer would first point out the false equivalence of male and female players which makes no concession at all to the level played at.

evolving_doors

need more info

Captain Obvious

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The question asked for his opinion and he gave his answer. Does he have to say ‘In my opinion....’ in order to get full marks? Surely by writing anything whether fact or not implies that it’s their opinion.

That's not an opinion though, that's the actual reason. If I was to ask you "In your opinion why did we have so much rain last week?" and you said "It's because a lot of water fell from the sky" that wouldn't be your opinion, it would be the actual reason.

mulbot

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's not an opinion though, that's the actual reason. If I was to ask you "In your opinion why did we have so much rain last week?" and you said "It's because a lot of water fell from the sky" that wouldn't be your opinion, it would be the actual reason.

The question didn't ask WHY there was a difference,so his answer was an expression of his opinion,it's coincidence that is also happens to be fact.

Zenify

I dont want to post up other answers as it's probably not ethical. Some of the points include:

equal effort should involve equal pay etc.

Silentcorner

Zenify wrote: »

I dont want to post up other answers as it's probably not ethical. Some of the points include:

equal effort should involve equal pay etc.

They don't even do that for people who make a living walking down a catwalk!

CinemaGuy45

Zenify wrote: »

I dont want to post up other answers as it's probably not ethical. Some of the points include:

equal effort should involve equal pay etc.

I had really bad constipation last year and the effort and pain I went through to pass that monster was unbelievable.

Do you think I should have received paid maternity leave?

mulbot

Zenify wrote: »

I dont want to post up other answers as it's probably not ethical. Some of the points include:

equal effort should involve equal pay etc.

Wimbledon tennis is a clear example of this not happening-complete inequality for Men.

BBFAN

It's a one point answer simply because the student makes only one point. Fairly simple in my view. Their point is correct but it's still only one point.