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Insuring electric converted classic car

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭kyote00




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Pat Mustard says don't drop below 4 mph! :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Touché subject there :D.

    The process of making just batteries for a Tesla vehicle has the same impact on environment as about 7 years of driving a petrol engined car (we are talking about batteries only). Then after about 7 or so years the batteries are getting weaker by loosing their capacity and may need to be replaced. And... how do we recycle the old batteries (never mind making new ones)?

    Obviously nobody will tell you that, they just wrap it all in green paper and sell to the masses.


    ..then theres the tyres, all the various plastic bits, the energy used during the assembly etc etc...

    Horse and cart is the future...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    ..then theres the tyres, all the various plastic bits, the energy used during the assembly etc etc...

    Horse and cart is the future...
    If we care about the environment then yes.

    Or if we "have to" drive then the cleaner vehicle is almost always the car we currently own.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 s_o_s


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Touché subject there :D.

    The process of making just batteries for a Tesla vehicle has the same impact on environment as about 7 years of driving a petrol engined car (we are talking about batteries only). Then after about 7 or so years the batteries are getting weaker by loosing their capacity and may need to be replaced. And... how do we recycle the old batteries (never mind making new ones)?

    Obviously nobody will tell you that, they just wrap it all in green paper and sell to the masses.

    These arguments always seem to leave out the true cost of ICE cars. The cost of oil exploration, extraction, transport, oil spills, car fires/deaths (far more than in electric cars), poisonous water from fracking.... the list goes on. Tesla batteries after 300k miles still have over 80% of the original range and should last much longer.

    Just get one if you can, enjoy the blasting away from the lights, great handling and top of the range tech, and feel free to feel good about the environment as an added bonus.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    s_o_s wrote: »
    These arguments always seem to leave out the true cost of ICE cars. The cost of oil exploration, extraction, transport, oil spills, car fires/deaths (far more than in electric cars), poisonous water from fracking.... the list goes on. Tesla batteries after 300k miles still have over 80% of the original range and should last much longer.
    Sure, nobody is arguing about that. But all the above (plus more) factors are associated with electric cars also. You can't manufacture a battery (or anything) without oil.
    s_o_s wrote: »
    Just get one if you can, enjoy the blasting away from the lights, great handling and top of the range tech, and feel free to feel good about the environment...
    I agree with the first bit, but as you know the last thing in the above sentence is nonsense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Seweryn wrote: »
    I agree with the first bit, but as you know the last thing in the above sentence is nonsense.

    People who can afford one cares more about image and smugness than the environment imo....

    Is that 7 year statement a fact..?...im shocked at that...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    People who can afford one cares more about image and smugness than the environment imo...
    Sure, but they do that under an ambarella of (media created) good feeling as you can read posts like these almost everywhere.
    Is that 7 year statement a fact..?...im shocked at that...
    For Tesla car batteries yes, it is a fact, because they are powerful and "resourceful" batteries. However, making a battery pack for a small electric car (which is not that "cool" to pseudo environmentalists) would get away with about 3 years equivalent of petrol car usage (average car and average use of course).


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    Seweryn wrote: »
    . For Tesla car batteries yes, it is a fact, because they are powerful and "resourceful" batteries. However, making a battery pack for a small electric car (which is not that "cool" to pseudo environmentalists) would get away with about 3 years equivalent of petrol car usage (average car and average use of course).


    ..:eek:...thats not very "friendly" then, is it...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    ..:eek:...thats not very "friendly" then, is it...
    Well, no... but it never has been. The facts are the facts, but you will never be told that in official news.

    I do like the idea of an electric drive though, especially when converting an internal combustion engined car with a faulty engine and using salvaged parts from a crashed EV. That would be sensible enough and most friendly.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    With respect to the OP, putting an electric motor in an oil guzzling classic is probably a net benefit to the environment (to feel smug about, if one wishes!)

    EV tech such as batteries will continue to get better and more efficient, as will generating electricity from renewables. A point will come where there is no argument. I don't think we're there yet though.

    I don't believe buying a giant Tesla and running it for 10 years will be a net benefit over just running whatever car you already have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Dades wrote: »
    With respect to the OP, putting an electric motor in an oil guzzling classic is probably a net benefit to the environment (to feel smug about, if one wishes!).
    If using a brand new set of batteries? No, it definitely is not beneficial to the environment. It would be cleaner to use the classic car with its own engine, especially with the mileage that he is going to cover.

    On the other hand it is fun and great sense of achievement :).
    Dades wrote: »
    EV tech such as batteries will continue to get better and more efficient, as will generating electricity from renewables. A point will come where there is no argument. I don't think we're there yet though.
    Batteries will continue to get better technically for sure but not better for the environment. Unless we find a way of making them from sand using sea water :).
    Dades wrote: »
    I don't believe buying a giant Tesla and running it for 10 years will be a net benefit over just running whatever car you already have.
    That is for sure. Buying any new car (over your existing one), not necessarily made by Tesla means your old car needs to be scrapped using a lot of energy and resources and a new car manufactured. Making a new ICE car means spending energy of approximate equivalent value of about 40 - 50 barrels of oil. This is enormous amount of resources and no matter how inefficient is your existing car it is overall more environmentally friendly than replacing it with a new vehicle.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Batteries will continue to get better technically for sure but not better for the environment. Unless we find a way of making them from sand using sea water :)
    Maybe sand and sea water is a stretch but we're at a point where green tech is profitable now the transport world has seen a viable alternative to Big Oil. Innovation follows $$$ so we're now on an inevitable trajectory towards electric powered transportation.

    Stuff needs to be, and will be invented. Cold fusion here we come!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Dades wrote: »
    Maybe sand and sea water is a stretch but we're at a point where green tech is profitable now the transport world has seen a viable alternative to Big Oil. Innovation follows $$$ so we're now on an inevitable trajectory towards electric powered transportation.

    Stuff needs to be, and will be invented. Cold fusion here we come!
    That is very optimistic :). But hey, we can dream, it costs nothing :).

    The so called green tech is only "profitable" because of the subsidiaries, no other reason. If that is removed we are back to coal as Germany are going towards now.
    The green tech (i.e. wind mills) generates no net energy or almost none at very best case scenarios, remember that.

    There are no alternative fuels to heavy transportation (trucks, tractors, ships, planes...) which drives our life as we know. Innovation means nothing without (cheap and easily available) energy, and that energy is getting scarce and will be a major challenge in very near future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    :eek:..depressing reading if yer a tree hugger.....and thats just the usa

    LTL shippers account for around 13.6 percent of America's trucking sector. Estimates of 15.5 million trucks operate in the U.S.. Of this figure 2 million are tractor trailers. It is an estimated over 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S. Of that one in nine are independent, a majority of which are owner operators


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Totally agree re the issue of CO2 created in building an EV, much better to keep old cars on the road, if the insurance industry would allow it of course.

    Anyway, not sure if the Wheeler Dealars Maserati Bi Turbo conversion was mentioned:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5htfsj

    Sorry could not find the full show on YT


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,405 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It is an estimated over 3.5 million truck drivers in the U.S.

    And in 20-30 years time there will be none! :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Totally agree re the issue of CO2 created in building an EV, much better to keep old cars on the road, if the insurance industry would allow it of course.

    Anyway, not sure if the Wheeler Dealars Maserati Bi Turbo conversion was mentioned:

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5htfsj

    Sorry could not find the full show on YT
    Very interesting. I watched that a few months ago. This is only one of examples what can be done. In the US these conversions are a lot more popular than here. The Volkswagen Type 1, Karmann Ghia, Porsche 914 are often being converted as well as Hondas (Civics), BMW 3-series, etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    unkel wrote: »
    And in 20-30 years time there will be none! :eek:


    How will we get our Mustang and Camaro big bore kits.........:(

    BTW...i'm looking for some plutonium for the oul flux capacitor if anyone knows of any....she's gettin low...:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    How will we get our Mustang and Camaro big bore kits.........:(
    That should be the least of our worries ;).

    Interestingly, in countries like the US for each calorie of food they consume 10 calories of of fossil fuel energy are put into the system to grow that food, process it, pack it, transport it, etc.

    Even here if you go to a supermarket you will find apples and potatoes from... Chile and New Zealand (I guess they may have Irish or German potatoes in their stores). That's one of these "little" things that are wrong with the system.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17 s_o_s


    Seweryn wrote: »
    There are no alternative fuels to heavy transportation (trucks, tractors, ships, planes...)

    This is somehow missing trains, many of which are electric and have been for years. If many countries around the world trains are a large contributor to freight. Electric heavy duty trucks are coming in two or three years, and claim to be cheaper to run than diesels. If this turns out to be true, the industry will flip to electric faster than you can blink if it means saving money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    s_o_s wrote: »
    This is somehow missing trains, many of which are electric and have been for years. If many countries around the world trains are a large contributor to freight.
    That's true. Trains are (and will be even more in the future) important players in transport infrastructure. Except the US which is based mainly on road transport powered by liquid fuels.
    s_o_s wrote: »
    Electric heavy duty trucks are coming in two or three years, and claim to be cheaper to run than diesels. If this turns out to be true, the industry will flip to electric faster than you can blink if it means saving money.
    That is not going to happen for many reasons (not on a large scale anyway) regardless of what the official media tells us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭hi5


    This US company do kits for classics, mostly aircooled VW's.

    http://evwest.com/catalog/


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,405 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Eye watering parts prices :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    unkel wrote: »
    Eye watering parts prices :eek:
    Yep, you need to budget about 15 - 20k for the job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,405 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Damien Maguire bought a BMW 3-series and converted it to EV, total spent under a grand



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    s_o_s wrote: »
    This is somehow missing trains, many of which are electric and have been for years. If many countries around the world trains are a large contributor to freight. Electric heavy duty trucks are coming in two or three years, and claim to be cheaper to run than diesels. If this turns out to be true, the industry will flip to electric faster than you can blink if it means saving money.

    Everything starts or ends its journey on a truck though. And we've been promised a lot of new technology in 2 or 3 years for decades, so until the tech is released and in regular use its just a money eating exercise like Tesla or self driving.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,405 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    And I'm sure you're all familiar with the classic Jaguar E-type electric vehicle that Prince Harry drove on his wedding day earlier this year

    gettyimages-960192860-1526998375.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,101 ✭✭✭Max Headroom


    unkel wrote: »
    And I'm sure you're all familiar with the classic Jaguar E-type electric vehicle that Prince Harry drove on his wedding day earlier this year

    gettyimages-960192860-1526998375.jpg


    Thats just wrong on so many levels...is it a kit car..or a real(teary eyes) e-type...??


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