Could trolling be a mental health issue or is it harmless?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

When does disagreeing become flaming? Lets say the facts are put to me but I'm still going to stick to my guns because that's what I believe.

The difference is non emotive factual evidence based replies and a willingness to say they disagree with the poster, everybody is welcome to their opinion but they are sticking to their own beliefs with out insulting or stereotyping the poster.

I wonder how much influence discussions sites have in reality, like the majority of rational people:p my opinions is based evidence as much as possible not something I have read on a discussion site.

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mariaalice wrote: »

I wonder how much influence discussions sites have in reality, like the majority of rational people:p my opinions is based evidence as much as possible not something I have read on a discussion site.

In the examples I gave there was plenty of factual evidence provided with links to academic resources etc yet still all was ignored.

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In the examples I gave there was plenty of factual evidence provided with links to academic resources etc yet still all was ignored.

But that is entering in to the realm of the.. I want to believe what I want to believe evidence does not come in to it. Its a bit like the 'alternative medicine' anti vax lot its not about evidence although you do see some poor deluded fools trying to convince them with evidence.

iLikeWaffles

If a person is closed minded and stubborn it is going to be very hard to convince them to believe something else. Unless you brain wash them of course.

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

When does disagreeing become flaming? Lets say the facts are put to me but I'm still going to stick to my guns because that's what I believe.

I meant the serial reregs. The ones who kept getting banned because they broke rules.

I don't mean all the people who disagree with me. Most of them are nice. Most of the time

freshpopcorn

I think the word troll can be over used now to be honest.
I see the reported posts.(Sometime mods are unsure what to do with certain posts) but sometimes they are reported posts and there's nothing wrong with them but some people consider them trolling.

Tell me how

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think the word troll can be over used now to be honest.
I see the reported posts.(Sometime mods are unsure what to do with certain posts) but sometimes they are reported posts and there's nothing wrong with them but some people consider them trolling.

And that is a whole other debate because often the Moderation action is to caution both posters for their approach. This leads the non-trolling poster to feel they are being asked to stop using objective evidence (in their view) just because someone else doesn't like it.

Very frustrating to read someone who is losing an argument start to play the trolling card. More frustrating to be a victim of it. :mad:

Grayson

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think the word troll can be over used now to be honest.
I see the reported posts.(Sometime mods are unsure what to do with certain posts) but sometimes they are reported posts and there's nothing wrong with them but some people consider them trolling.

Reported.

iLikeWaffles

Tell me how wrote: »

And that is a whole other debate because often the Moderation action is to caution both posters for their approach. This leads the non-trolling poster to feel they are being asked to stop using objective evidence (in their view) just because someone else doesn't like it.

Very frustrating to read someone who is losing an argument start to play the trolling card. More frustrating to be a victim of it. :mad:

I would go as far as saying being the victim of it. Who give 2 fecks what anyone else thinks about you! That's their issue.

Tell me how

iLikeWaffles wrote: »

I would go as far as saying being the victim of it. Who give 2 fecks what anyone else thinks about you! That's their issue.

It's nothing to do with what they think about you. it's that they are willing to proceed with wilful ignorance of provable facts just to appear to be correct.

It is frustrating because while this is an online forum which you can just click out of, it is the same behaviour in the real world where some just hold a position and refuse to acknowledge the realities. This leads us to things like

Brexit and Trump becoming president

and in my view anything which encourages such acts is worth being ticked off about.

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Tell me how wrote: »

It's nothing to do with what they think about you. it's that they are willing to proceed with wilful ignorance of provable facts just to appear to be correct.

It is frustrating because while this is an online forum which you can just click out of, it is the same behaviour in the real world where some just hold a position and refuse to acknowledge the realities. This leads us to things like

Brexit and Trump becoming president

and in my view anything which encourages such acts is worth being ticked off by in my view.

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Wilful ignorance. Its completely deliberate.

iLikeWaffles

Tell me how wrote: »

It's nothing to do with what they think about you. it's that they are willing to proceed with wilful ignorance of provable facts just to appear to be correct.

It is frustrating because while this is an online forum which you can just click out of, it is the same behaviour in the real world where some just hold a position and refuse to acknowledge the realities. This leads us to things like

Brexit and Trump becoming president

and in my view anything which encourages such acts is worth being ticked off about.

It is yeah, as you said playing the 'trolling card'; it turns the argument to the other person, which in itself is trolling btw, because it gets a predictive response most of the time. Peoples ego's don't like being labelled especially when it's not a true statement being said, plus whoever has the last word usually has won the argument, in most cases. It also depends on what the discussion is. A complicated issue yes there are people who wilfully troll the discussion just for their own entertainment. There are many levels of troll though which people don't get or is widely believed. Comes down to other people being ill informed and the very nature of trolling is probably the cause of that as it can be time wasting which more serious personalties just don't like.

IRL if a person doesn't want to believe in your belief's that's just stubbornness of one person not willing to believe provable fact or their ego not wanting to be proven wrong. You're going next level there with

Brexit and Trump becoming president

nothing to do with trolling or mental health just terrible idea's.

Asking the internet to name a boat and not getting a favourable name that's trolling. To be blunt, the rest of what people think is trolling is an evolution of contextual mix ups and narrow mindedness.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

It's nothing to do with what they think about you. it's that they are willing to proceed with wilful ignorance of provable facts just to appear to be correct.

It is frustrating because while this is an online forum which you can just click out of, it is the same behaviour in the real world where some just hold a position and refuse to acknowledge the realities. This leads us to things like

Brexit and Trump becoming president

and in my view anything which encourages such acts is worth being ticked off about.

Why spoiler Brexit and Trump?

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

Why spoiler Brexit and Trump?

Because they have the capacity to drag any and most conversations off topic.

Of course, I knew anyone could see them but it was in deference to the emotive (and often trollish) discussions they provoke that I indicated I was not trying to change this particular conversation.

Defaulter1831

A troll cannot exist without someone engaging with them. In essence we create trolls Much like someone saying something mean or nasty to us only affects us if we allow the thought control our reaction.

Ipso

This has to be a troll?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/gender-debate-rages-ed-sheeran-beyonces-global-citizen-festival-outfits-141203396.html

BeerWolf

There's various degrees of trolling, from harmless fun to the disgustingly malicious...

Having a great giggle this morning.

Looking up some vegetarian recipes this morning, the comments following some well know vegetarian cooks are priceless the same with the vegetarian offerings for Christmas from a well know supermarket.

The tongue firmly in cheek comments along the line of..." I only eat GMO free organic gluten free, sugar free, fat free, dairy free and I have a nut and coconut allergy", " you never have any recipes that suit me" some of the loopy replies to the supermarkets offerings are brilliant too.

wakka12

I would be more worried about those who get very upset about something some random tosser on the internet said to them

freshpopcorn

wakka12 wrote: »

I would be more worried about those who get very upset about something some random tosser on the internet said to them

I'd agree with this.
From what I see there are certain people in the media who often play the troll card for any forum of criticism/difference of opinion and they encourage others to follow them in being totally over sensitive.

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

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However actual apparently rational adults doing it what are they getting out of it.

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There's a couple of sad cnuts in the soccer forum who take their bile etc to twitter and slag off other posters there as they can't get away with it on boards.ie

Now that is fooking sad.

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wakka12 wrote: »

I would be more worried about those who get very upset about something some random tosser on the internet said to them

I think it goes further than just people getting upset.

Many trolls just want attention, so they say whatever it is they are saying, but not enough for them to express their opinion and move on, they continuously repeat it, endless repetition - bonus points if they say some that can be demonstrated to be incorrect and is so - and they carry on repeating regardless.

What is someone getting out of that? Attention seeking? Disrupting threads so people are just constantly derailed by responding to them?

Another tactic is to disappear for a bit, allow thread to continue normally, then reappear and go straight back to repeating exactly the same thing. Its not discussion. Its just wallpapering a thread with the same thing over and over.

Irish Guitarist

Trolling used to mean saying something ridiculous (but harmless) on a forum and getting a laugh out of people believing your nonsense.

I think calling someone who tries to make someone elses life a misery a troll doesn't really sound right. 'Troll' isn't a strong enough word. It always makes me think of those Troll Dolls with bright coloured hair.

dublinman1990

I was reading some posts from an individual in Commuting & Transport while discussing about Go Ahead Ireland about 2 nights ago. This rude person post's had insulted a moderator with some "apparent" insults on their own sexuality. Trolling on topics usually happens quite frequently in Commuting & Transport with some trolls saying that they are pro CIE/Anti privatization types/Anti NTA in their posts in various transport threads and so on.

But this person's posts to the mod in question sounded very nasty. I only read the posts very briefly for about 2 minutes. As soon as I refreshed the page they all disappeared afterwards. People who post stuff like that on boards.ie have very sad minds in their own head.

I would question their mental health when posting they post that material on a site like this one and others not free from the realms of the internet. Making quoted posts out to individuals like those mentioned above are not nice whatsoever & should not be tolerated on this site under any circumstance.

Shanotheslayer

Augeo wrote: »

There's a couple of sad cnuts in the soccer forum who take their bile etc to twitter and slag off other posters there as they can't get away with it on boards.ie

Now that is fooking sad.

The soccer forum is a circle jerk of trolls.

It's a toxic community at the best of times.